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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 12:45 AM
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Time Magazine also skeptical about the Miami Seven story
Was this an al-Qaeda-linked plot, or were these men simply wannabes?

From initial reports and the contents of the indictment, the latter seems most likely. The arrested men appear to be part of a cult organization proclaiming itself to be Muslim — although a member of the same religious group says it is, in fact, based on a homebrew of Islam and Christianity, and calls itself "Seas of David." Its members, mainly Americans and Haitan immigrants, clearly have an enthusiasm for emulating and following al-Qaeda. But their only "connection" with al-Qaeda appears to have been the fact that a government informant who had infiltrated their ranks had apparently convinced the alleged conspirators that he was, in fact, a Qaeda operative. The oaths of allegiance to the organization alleged by the indictment to have been taken by the accused were administered not by any representative of the organization, but to a U.S. government agent posing as a Qaeda operative.

Were they behaving as professional terrorists?

No, at least not according to the initial flood of reports that portayed them as strutting around a poor black neighborhood in military-style uniforms, wearing turbans, standing guard around the abandoned warehouse in which they lived and conducting late-night exercise drills, while telling neighbors that they had "given their lives to Allah." The basic habit of trained terrorists is secrecy and stealth; they do their utmost to fit in with their surroundings rather than stand out. The Miami seven, according to reports thus far, seemed to have been doing the exact opposite, behaving more like a Hollywood B-movie version of terrorists than the real thing.

Can amateurs and wannabes pose a real terror threat?

Yes, very much so. The London bombings last summer were carried out by a self-taught group of British-born men who had no direct connection with al-Qaeda, yet sought to emulate it. But that grouping, perhaps having learned from the Qaeda terror manuals widely available on jihadist web sites, seem to have observed many of the same principles of secrecy that a group like the 9/11 plotters would have . Friends, family and neighbors were shocked to learn that young men in their midst who seemed no different from any others turned out to be terrorists. The extent of the danger represented by such groups depends on their capacities: Are they able to operate undetected? Do they have the means to carry out attacks? Do they have workable plans for such attacks?

Was this really a plot?

The indictment accuses the men of plotting to blow up FBI offices and the Sears tower. They apparently gave the government informant, whom they believed was their Qaeda contact, photographs of FBI and other law enforcement facilities in Florida, indicating that they had done some surveillance. The indictment refers to a desire by the group's leader to attack the Sears tower, and a request for a video camera in order to conduct surveillance mission to that end, although it doesn not suggest such a mission actually took place. From the indictment it is clear that the men had no shortage of ambition, asking for al-Qaeda training to wage a "full ground war" to "kill all the devils we can." To his end, the group asked the undercover agent for a wish-list of equipment that included boots, uniforms, machine guns, bullet-proof vests, radios and vehicles — as well as $50,000 in cash. The group's leader also provided the government agent with "a list of shoe sizes for the purchase of military boots for his 'soldiers'." The idea that these seven men could wage a "ground war" in the U.S. seems to have more in common with the fevered thinking behind various deadly cults over the years than with the operations of international terror networks.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1207412,00.html
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 12:46 AM
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1. At least they aren't afraid to "offend" Unca Dick.
That's a start.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 12:49 AM
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2. Don't wait for the movie on this "Miami 7" story.
:eyes:
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 12:50 AM
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6. It could always be a comedy
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 01:03 AM
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10. "Inspector Gonzo". (n/t)
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 12:49 AM
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3. Delete Dupe
Edited on Sat Jun-24-06 12:50 AM by Erika
There was no danger here and W will be lucky if he's not sued for entrapment by a bunch of urban homeless.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 12:49 AM
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4. The Maimi 7 should be known as the W joke
There was no danger here and W will be lucky if he's not sued for entrapment by a bunch of urban homeless.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 12:50 AM
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5. I hope this really backfires on him
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 12:53 AM
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7. These urban kids are far from dangerous
I can hardly wait for their trials. How sad for them that they were enticed and entrapped. But this is W's America. Reality doesn't enter into the picture.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 12:54 AM
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8. Raging...
...remember the Yahwehs? I wonder if these guys are an offshoot or perhaps a copycat. Based in Liberty City, militaristic, wearing turbans, selling shampoo to raise money. The Yahwehs did all these things.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 01:00 AM
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9. Yes, that is the word around town
Here is a 2001 Herald article when Ben Yahweh was leaving prison.

http://www.rickross.com/reference/yahwehben/yahwehben9.html
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Snaggletooth Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 01:52 AM
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11. I think the whole point of this story was to keep the MSM's
attention focused on "the Miami 7" instead of on another news release about Grover Norquist (the Godfather of neo-Khans) being a part of the Jack Abramoff influence peddling scheme.

Snaggletooth the Crone
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