81 Kidnapped factory workers killed

[Old Vet]

At least 19 other deaths were reported in Baghdad. The bodies of five men apparently slain after a mass factory kidnapping Wednesday were among Friday's toll. The Mujahedeen Shura Council, an umbrella organization linking seven insurgent groups including al-Qaida in Iraq, claimed it killed 81 workers who were "building a new American base." It was not clear if the group was referring to the factory kidnap victims, and the Internet claim could not be independently verified.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060623/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_060623180825

[me b zola]

1. Heck of a job, george

I call bullshit on "al-Qaida in Iraq". I'm beginning to think that this is the name of the US trained & operated death squads.

The only thing I know for sure is that all foreign contrators need to leave TODAY, with the military to soon follow.




on edit: I've forgotten my manners. Welcome to DU, Old Vet :hi:

[MadMaddie]

3. Negroponte is involved somehow in this....this is his expertise..

[GrumpyGreg]

5. Huh? Even THIS is Bush's fault?

[Pachamama]

6. Pottery Barn Rule (Colin Powell): You break it, you fix it...

Yes, even this is Bush's fault...perhaps this type of thing would have happened under Saddam, but hey, didn't George send in the Marines, take out Saddam's military and power, put Saddam in jail and now the US Military are supposed to be "holding the peace" until democracy can "take hold"?

Well, if Bush hadn't started this illegal war that has now become an occupation, the deaths of these people not only might have been avoided, but they wouldn't have been on George's watch....

[GrumpyGreg]

7. I go back to WWII and i don't recall any massive killing of

civilians by other civilians in the occupied countries.

I just don't get it.

[Pachamama]

26. That is because when we entered Germany, France etc. in WWII, there was a

legitimate reason for being there, we were truly "welcomed", and there was not a civil war that broke out in which we were caught in the cross fire. I forget what the time lines were, but if my memory serves me correctly, we were actually in those countries "occupying" for a shorter period of time than we have been now for the last 3 years in Iraq.

Frankly, even trying to compare the two wars and events are just not possible as far as I'm concerned. Also, I don't even consider our status in Iraq as "War". We are occupiers and from an illegal war at that.

[lostnfound]

30. Plus, there was a plan, and competent execution of the plan

Look at how MacArthur ended up being respected and endeared by most Japanese, at least the young generation at the time.

Of course it's a different culture but mostly it's different for the reasons you point out.

[NNN0LHI]

32. The French Resistance killed ever Nazi collaborator they could kill

At least that is what I remember reading in history books.

Don

[wherewingstakedream]

9. Yes every bit of

military, political and sectarian violence that has happened since March, 2003 in Iraq is GW Bush's responsibility. He chose an illegal aggressive war based on LIES. Al-Qaida and other religious extremist groups were not operating in the parts of Iraq controlled by Saddam prior to the invasion.

[BillZBubb]

15. No, nothing is Bush's fault. He ripped Iraq apart.

He set in motion the inevitable civil war that would follow that insane act. But, let's not blame him because a lot of Iraqi's are getting slaughtered as a direct consequence of his great decidership.

You're right, how dare we suggest Dear Leader is to blame. Have you ever questioned your Dear Leader????

[Mr_Spock]

17. Would not have happended if we did not invade OR had a plan if we did

This is 100% Bush's fault - he opened the door & let the hate flow.

[Yupster]

21. 100 % ???

The guys who shot these poor people don't even bear 1 % of the responsibility for their actions?

Anyone in Iraq can shoot anyone else in Iraq in the head and it would be 100 % Bush's fault??

That seems far over the deep end to me.

[Mr_Spock]

24. Yupster, it is over the deep end

This is why you should have a plan before you invade a country and change their history forever. We will never know how many people would be shooting each other now and where, but the failed invasion has thrown a special wlidcard into the equation and that wildcard is 100% Bush's fault. I can virtually guarantee you that these 81 deaths would not have happened if we had not invaded.

[Yupster]

28. That may be all very true, but

a guy kidnaps a factory worker and shoots him in the head, and that guy doesn't even bear 1 % of the responsibility for pulling that trigger.

That just seems off the wall to me.

Do people have no responsibility for their own actions regardless of what they do? There's just zero responsibility? Zero?

[Mr_Spock]

34. I choose to see the point

You can argue the smaller issue of right, wrong & blame of each individual case, I'll look at the bigger sociological upheaval caused 100% by Bush's ignorant actions. Bush made that country a lawless place and he bears all the blame for that.

[Name removed]

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[never_get_over_it]

33. Every Death in Iraq related to this occupation is

the freak in chief's fault. From shock and awe to the insurgents. If he hadn't invaded Iraq none of this SHIT would have happened.

[Maat]

16. Actually, I think that you are dead-on!

I met 'Faiza' when the Global Exchange Network sponsored four Iraqi moms. They came to the United States. Faiza spoke here in San Diego County, and she and I had a lovely conversation about normal things moms talk about; she did say, however, that she believed that the U.S. operatives were behind the 'death squads (that's exactly what she called them).' She did not feel that there had been any tribal friction between groups before the invasion and occupation.

Her blog:
www.afamilyinbaghdad.blogspot.com .

Read the last entry; it is very touching.

[me b zola]

27. Faiza's entries were stunning

Have you asked her if you could forward any of her posts to members of Congress or the media? I know it's a longshot that anyone would listen, but I think that it is worth a try.

I think it is post #25 where I have posted links to the death squads that I mentioned in my initial post--I should have linked them there.


Peace

[Maat]

36. When she was here ..

she met with several members of Congress. I haven't asked her. I feel guilty because whenever I think about contacting her, I just get so sad .. and then I don't do anything. I hope that those she contacted here keep up with her blog. I pray for her and her family constantly.

[MadMaddie]

2. This is the reality of Iraq isn't it....

common every day folks just like us.....working at their place of employment...trying to do what we do...just trying to make it...


America needs to put themselves in the ordinary Iraqi's place....how would we react if this was happening on US Soil...

* monkey boy said we would fight the terrorist over there...but he didn't say that the ordinary Iraqi citizen would be slaughtered in the process....:grr:


Welcome to DU my friend~:hi:

[bonito]

4. Well if not for terra they would not need us,

:puke:

[SammyWinstonJack]

8. So how do you sleep at night George? nt

[Bluebear]

11. Like a rock, trust me. nt

[SammyWinstonJack]

14. Well I wish.................oh never mind. nt

[fooj]

10. No wonder they declared a STATE OF EMERGENCY today.

[BillZBubb]

12. 81 newly "freed" Iraqis! The Chimperor's victory is complete!!!!

[EFerrari]

13. God or something forgive this government.

:cry:

[Mr_Spock]

18. This is a disgusting story

I'm so effing tired of this crap - thanks for opening Pandoras box Mr. Bush.

[Canuckistanian]

19. Funny, this kind of thing never happened under Saddam

Ever wonder why?

Not to say that Hussein wasn't a vindictive bastard, but you never heard about entire busloads of workers being slaughtered.

Just sayin'...

[bobbieinok]

20. Saddam apparently had very tight control of the factions like Tito

in Yugoslavia. When Tito died, when Saddam was removed the factions started killing each other off.

[OwnedByFerrets]

22. Yes, it seems like paranoia, however,

If there weren't death squads, mayhem and destruction, we would have no reason to stay there (and would probably be asked strongly to leave). And we all know that "the new world dictator" plans on staying there permanently. So, its in his best interest to maintain the horror in Iraq. Besides, how is Halliburton gonna maintain that 600% increase in its stock prices if not for Iraq.

[Canuckistanian]

23. Bingo!

"Strongman" leaderships are hell on human rights, but they know how to keep the peace.

[lostnfound]

29. Odd, on BBC yesterday report was "around 50" including 30 women released

I would have liked to be able to trust BBC implicitly but they are no longer as reliable as they once were. So who knows...?

[NNN0LHI]

35. BBC changed after Bush and Blair declared war on the world

I don't use them as a source any more unless the story was from many years ago when I considered them credible.

Don

[malaise]

31. Cheney must have meant 'death throes'

Thanks Bushco!

[Imagevision]

37. and this whack-job wants to go pushing nuke buttons on Iran...! sicko!