HA! You "PC Dems" NEVER got the message of movie "Gone with the Wind"

[KoKo]

did ya?

You thought this was some kind of Margaret Mitchell Racist Southern Swill from before the Civil Rights Movement.

Her message resonates far beyond the move...and What she was trying to say has COME HOME AGAIN with Rove's New "SOUTHERN STRATEGY!!"

You though that Mitchell's words would die...you thought the Movie was Racist Trash...but ...you didn't "look beyond? you didn't "go" beyond to see what this Southern Writer was trying to SAY about what she saw.

You folks really didn't get the "Southern Strategy" which the Repugs have played since their "Carpet Bagger Days" if you DON'T watch this incredible Screen Play (the movie) while the book goes Deeper the Movie was a MASTERPIECE of War..for Lost Cause, Disenfranchised caught up in it and the NEW SOUTH that EMERGED with the help of the Repug Carpetbaggers.

It's kind of cool the "subthreads" in that movie since the SOUTH RULES in Polictics today and many DU'ers are so PC they would never even bother to rent "Gone With the Wind" for fear they would be so PC INCORRECT.

And this movie isn't just about Black being portrayed in a bad light for today's time...it's about the Idealists like Ashley Wilkes who was betrayed by "CORPRATIST SCARLETT/PRIVATEER ..Rhett Butler...but its the CAST of Characters in the BACKGROUND..reading Dickens as the "Bush Bots" search their house.

Rent it......

[niyad]

1. what, in heaven's name, are you smoking?

[msongs]

2. frankly my dear, I don't give a damn hehe movie was too over the

top for me mostly, grandiose, but it had some good moments, and every woman who wishes she had a new dress can always use the drapes, as scarlett did :-)

Msongs

listen to our demo songs!
www.msongs.com/msongsdemos.htm

[KoKo]

4. You are one of the ones who MISSED THE MESSAGE!

but then......so many did about this writer...the movie. Subtleties/Nuance.

all "gone with the wind."

[msongs]

5. I went to SEE THE MOVIE, not get a message :-) but thanks for

caring

Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm

[KoKo]

9. Ahhh...but you MISSED the BIGGER MESSAGE as it relates to

the Repugs REVIVAL of the Southern Strategy....and how they've used it forever. And, that movie has lots of "nuances" that are missed today. The Book by Margaret Mitchell is even better...but the movie has great "undertones" of what was to come.

Laugh at my post...and trash it ...if you will....but if you are a "THINKER" and want to go DEEP into Southern Culture..with "cross currents" and relevance to today...I'm not steering you wrong.

Take what I say or leave it...so far there are more "leavers than takers" but I had to say what I had to...and so just allow me to have my opinion to chide some of you to re-watch it if you want to know the "politics of the South" that still dominate America.

Most of those who say it were caught up in the "Revisionist PC Correctness of he Movie/Book...missing what it was really talking about.

That's why I posted it. Just to alert the serious Wonks here on DU to watch it..read the book and understand why Karl Rove has been SO Successful and why we still fight the "Civil War" here in America. How easily our Southeners are "Played" and how easily our contry is always DIVIDED over the Southern Strategy.

GWTW is kind of basic but what came after that is all shown in that Movie
and the book. It's HISTORY....and HISTORY often is a guidepost to what follows..issues..context...issues.

[sweetheart]

19. Thanks, i ts in my library

I have to watch it again, to re-reflect on your remark.

When i want to reflect on their strategery, i watch the seven samurai.

[tirechewer]

42. True.....

but she has to remember that if she makes a dress out of the drapes it will hang better if she takes out the curtain rod before she puts it on. ;)

[ShortnFiery]

3. Hey, I get it ... but they're played out - I believe ... & pray!

[liberalhistorian]

27. LOL! I LOVE that t-shirt!

Sometimes I really wish we could go back in time and just give the damn South the secession it was so desperate for, or that Lincoln had just let it go. The South has caused absolutely NOTHING but trouble from the very first colonial days and it sure as hell is fucking up the country today.

[jpgray]

6. Exactly. Mac and Linux Dems are ahead of the curve, man.

[Jim Sagle]

7. I'm a mainframe COBOL Dem. I guess I should get with the times.

:(

[KoKo]

8. yeah...definitely better than Windooooze.........for sure..

but..they are just programs to run the "internet" where we get our "POWER."

There is something to be said for what came before all that...would 'ya think? :shrug: The "History" Factor?

[mourningdove92]

10. GWTW had a major impact on my political views.

"All wars are sacred- to those who have to fight them. If the people who started wars didn't make them sacred, who would be foolish enough to fight? But, no matter what rallying cries the orators give to the idiots who fight, no matter what noble purposes they assign to wars, there is never but one reason for a war. And that is money. All wars are in reality money squabbles. But so few people ever realize it. Their ears are too full of bugles and drums and fine words from stay-at-home orators. "

Rhett Butler


There's good money in empire building. But, there's more in empire wrecking.

Rhett Butler

I see too clearly that we have been betrayed.
Betrayed too by words and catch phrases, prejudices and hatreds coming from the mouths of those highly placed, those men whom we respected and revered- King Cotton, Slavery, State's rights, Damn Yankees.

Ashley Wilkes



GWTW is my all time favorite book. I re-read it for about the 50th time just recently. Yes, the racism in the book makes me cringe, but it is an honest story about as racist time in our history. However, the picture it paints of war and how a people can be lied into war has been deep in my heart since I first read the book at age 13. It has had a major impact on my political views.

Read it again. See how much of this current mind games this administration plays is already in this book written so long ago.
There truly is nothing new under the sun.

[KoKo]

11. Thank you ...that's all I was trying to say...and it's a truly American

Story with strains that reach into our own times. The interplay between characters...the South....which has risin again...but the speaking to those who weren't with the South entirely like Ashley...the rise of Scarlett on raping the South of Lumber that the Carpet Baggers (Profiteers) came in and took from the ravaged South...and through it all Rhett who knew what "Privateering really meant." Scarlett who knew how to use it.

It's a stage setting for the Drama of what America has always been and what it still is, and to know what it has become we all need to search the Southern Roots and the Civil War...what caused it...what it did to a region of the country and the aftermath and how it lives on today.

That's what I was trying to get at. If we forget our HISTORY we are DOOMED to repeat it. ...We are repeating it.

Again..thanks for having read it and seen some of what I was trying to say that just fell flat with DU Readers. :-(

[cmkramer]

23. The book is much better than the movie IMHO

And I do think the movie is deservedly considered a classic.

One thing that's in the book that you never get in the movie is that most of the slaves -- except for Prissy (and in her defense she's a 13 year old child) -- are smart, resourceful and much more aware of what is going on than their masters are. However the masters never see it because they see their slaves as not having the capacity to make decisions, etc.

[Raine]

41. It had an impact on my political views too

really made me think about 'causes' that people feel justify killing and being killed for and what happens when it turns out to be an empty cause that was lost in the end anyway. I know the book is racist but it turned me toward a lifelong interest in history and always asking 'WHY'.

[Warren DeMontague]

12. Happy hour start early?

I'm sorry, but I can't for the life of me figure out what you're trying to say here.

[NV Whino]

13. I think Laura B.

got the part about the drapes as dress message.

:spank: Sorry, I couldn't resist.

[KoKo]

34. As Scarlett Said: "As God is My Witness They're Not Going to Lick Me!

"As God as my witness they're not going to lick me. I'm going to live through this, and when it's all over I'll never be hungry again. No, nor any of my folk. If I have to lie, steal, cheat or kill; as God as my witness, I'll never be hungry again." --Scarlett.

I know my OP was kind of lame..I had to run out and couldn't get back to it until today....I'm sorry I sounded tipsy....

But, this quote might give you where I'm coming from...

[mourningdove92]

14. how about some analogies?

Scarlett=Haliburton
States Rights- Terror, Terror, Terror
Damn Yankess- Terrorists, Al Qaeda
Reconstruction- Blow up Iraq, then put in your own people to run the show.

[KoKo]

29. Thanks...I just posted more analogies in Post 28....I got interrupted last

night and my post didn't explain what I was getting at very well...

You added a few that we could all think about... Thanks!

[JackBeck]

15. Seriously, never seen the flick.

But if I do, should I have my deconstruction goggles on? Was Margaret Mitchell that much of a visionary to construct such an epic 50 years before "political correctness" was cache?

[mourningdove92]

16. Visionary?

No, she was a realist. She saw the truth about the Civil War and portrayed in an unequivocal manner.

[JackBeck]

18. Please read my post again.

My "visionary" comment is directed more towards the OP about "political correct"-ness. Nothing else.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

17. And a lot of years before Civil Rights legislation, before the conversion

of white Southern Dems to Repubs, before Nixon and the "Southern Strategy"...

The "Southern Strategy" Repubs, like Strom Thurmond, were mostly DEMS before Civil Rights legislation, not Republican post-reconstruction carpetbaggers...

I guess I'm not so deep to appreciate where the OP is going.

[mourningdove92]

20. One of the things KoKo is trying to point out

is the manipulation of the people of the south to buy into war.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

21. Yes but then those people endured a crushing defeat. There's no harder

lesson that could be learned, I'd think.

[mourningdove92]

22. Did they learn their lesson?

they paid the price, yes, but did they learn from it?

Considering the support Smirk has in the south, and how they are falling for the slogans and catchwords and bullshit all over again, I would say they did not learn.

And I'm from Texas, officially a Southerner.

[KoKo]

31. The growth in the South because of Air Conditioning kind of contributed

to some forgetting the lessons..... The South's real estate boom has really taken off under Bush. He is popular for that and he's popular because the Fundamentalists grew their churches with much help from the "Southern Strategists" and money from the Mellon-Scaife types. He's popular because Southeners still like war.... It's sport and they are fanatical about sports....:-( I grew up in the South,too.

[PerfectSage]

25. Seems like the people of the south are too easily manipulated

They'll buy into war, religous fundamentalism, racism, homophobia etc etc.

Okay I'm being to hard on southerners, it's racists who are easily manipulated to buy into bullshit?

For any racist on an unconsious level gop=white party and democrat=black party. I wonder if Lincoln would roll over in his grave at the futility of the civil war. From a warped sense of humour perspective, the North shoulda invaded the South with an army of black, homosexuals who went arround raping all the white slaveowners.

[KoKo]

36. Wouldn't go that far as you analogy does....but there is something

about the South that does seem to always be causing some problem...and I'm a Southerner by birth but lived away a long time.

It's an interesting place to watch. Some ugliness there seems to always come out no matter how many new folks move in to change the mix.

:-( It's sad to me. But, then lots of pockets of racism and conservative are all over the US and I found as much Black Bashing in the Northeast as I did in the South. Difference was that in the South there was much more interaction.

[PerfectSage]

40. Does Margaret Mitchell offer a solution?

How does the south heal itself? What is the solution to the gop's southern strategy? I remember thinking about this in 2004. I never read gwtw, but I did read the sequel: Scarlett. It wasn't written by Margaret Mitchell, but I wonder if the answer is there.

In my opinion any right handed, conformist dumbshit be they racist or fundie is a lazy thinker who has never bothered to get off their intellectually lazy ass and answer those tough existential questions: Why the am I on this planet and what is the meaning of life?

I've been to the whitepride website, I ain't impressed with the intellect of the people who post there. Nobody who posts there is gonna give an an explanation of Einstein's theory of relativity or of Quantum Mechanics that impresses me.

When it comes to bashing, I've never met a Bush lover on the Yahoo stock market message boards who I couldn't lay an infinite contempt, shit kicking on. Ha ha, I'm a Rhett Butler who's gonna win irregardless of whether or not Bush causes a bear market/recession or not. I'm guessing Oct/2006 will see the Nasdaq breaking down to 52 week lows and a bear market for a couple years.

How does America heal itself? Maybe like an alcoholic drunk on superpower wine. Who needs to hit rock bottom before redeeming himself?

[tigereye]

37. that's what I was thinking, Mayberry

Reps- and Dems - were very different animals back then during the CIvil War era, Reconstruction and later...

[KoKo]

35. Memorable Quote: "As God is My Witness they're Not Going to Lick Me!

"As God is my witness they're not going to lick me. I'm going to live through this, and when it's all over I'll never be hungry again. No, nor any of my folk. If I have to lie, steal, cheat or kill; as God as my witness, I'll never be hungry again." --Scarlett.

She said this in desperation with ruin all around her and no food to live on and her family to feed.

I like to think of what she said when I think of Stolen Elections, Stolen Government and the rest we've lived through. I wouldn't go as far as Scarlett did with the "cheat or kill" but at some point we will need to go up against Karl Rove. And, things said in desperation often just show extreme determination and not that one would carry it out. However, Scarlett did...because she was a survivor and a user...even though her heart tried to be the good place..which was the Ashley Wilkes influence on her where she was always torn between Good Scarlett and her Evil Twin..Bad Scarlett.

[neebob]

24. Good noticing

I've seen GWTW a dozen times at least, including quite recently, and although I did get the basic message didn't think enough about the parallels to modern times. This makes me want to read the book. Thanks!

[lectrobyte]

26. The words appear to be English, but "parse them I cannot." I've seen

GWTW at least 15 times, not sure what you're getting at.

[KoKo]

28. Ashley Wilkes the dreamer dragged into War by hot heads filled with

patriotic zeal. (pulled into a war he didn't really support because of his loyalty to family and his region of America) Rhett Butler the cynical Privateer, who knew he could profit from war so he didn't give a damn which side was right or wrong or which side one because he could play both sides. (Call him your typical "Corporatist.") Scarlett who was torn between her own selfish nature and her ability to come back after the war to save her "Tara" (she loved Wilkes the idealist but needed the pluck and selfishness of Butler to survive...conflicted nature)She was also daughter of an Irish Immigrant. All of the African-American Slaves caught up in the war with no where to go having to work together to survive because everyone was struggling. (Those who left could...but those who stayed were torn between their dependent life and the coming freedom which might not have looked so good when you were starving).

Melanie Wilkes who was torn between Ashley and Scarlett...(a go along who was just caught up in it all ....who found the courage to survive when her life was torn apart.

AFTER THE WAR:

Scarlett and Rhett become the Profiteers who denude the South of trees for lumber and the after war boom, just to make money to survive and pay taxes on the land they once owned but also to become wealthy enough to live better than they ever had. Ashley is co-opted into the whole scheme against his will...but he goes along with the Private/Corporatists because he's too weak to go to NY and take a legal job that would get him out of the mess. He can't ever take a stand that will go along with the principles he has.


--------

It's an interesting book about War from a particularly American point of view. With characters (more than I could go into) who reflect forces that are still at work here.

[lectrobyte]

30. Thanks. I've never quite looked at it like that, but I can see now

what you are getting at.

[TahitiNut]

32. All loyal Democrats will think about that tomorrow.

After all, poor Scarlett actually had to WORK(!) for a year or two before she could go back to her entitled existence living off the labors of others. Poor, poor Scarlett!

[KoKo]

33. but, Tahiti...Scarlett worked her fingers to the bone to save her Sisters.

and she saved Melanie's BABY even though SHE LOVED Ashley and in the end Scarlett saved Tara and her family even though she had to be cruel and mean to do it.

Scarlett is the one to watch in all of this...because Scarlett says alot about our times we live in. She was torn between "Idealism and Pragmatism" and throughout her life she fought with demons from both sides.

In the end she "compromised" sort of like the DLC. :evilgrin:

[Bluebear]

38. HA!

:crazy:

[merh]

39. The rich carpetbaggers are back in the South

Buying up the land available now that the insurance companies refuse to pay claims and land owners are tired of trying to rebuild.