The black kids in Miami are to terrorists as the Symbionese

[rzemanfl]

Liberation Army was to armies. Discuss.

[DoYouEverWonder]

1. Oh this does't even compare

at least the SLA had real guns and managed to kidnap a rich white girl.

[Kutjara]

2. The Miami kids are to terrorism as...

PeeWee Herman is to the Tour de France.

[rosesaylavee]

12. Hey - at least PeeWee had a bike... these guys only

had great pajama outfits.

[951-Riverside]

3. First they are not kids

and Second they were probably trying to reach out to Al Qaeda which got them in trouble, Third according to a resident in the area these idiots were standing in front of their little "hideout" with their faces covered.

Don't even try to minimize it because they happen to be black.

[The Magistrate]

6. It Is Worth 'Minimizing', Sir

Because it is clearly a manufactured crime. These people were mopes with delusions of granduer. They had no capability to contact what they talked of contacting, and bear about the same relation to actual clandestine operations as a few stoners sitting about imagining how neat it would be to move a ton of cocaine from Medellin to Des Moines bear to real drug trafficking. No serious operative would ever have made substantive use of such wretches for any real business. They doubtless committed a crime by speaking to an undercover agent as they did, but it should not be confused with anything posing a real danger to anyone but themselves.

[951-Riverside]

8. I thought the OP was minimizing it by calling them "kids"

Do I believe these idiots were capable of blowing up that building NO but at the same time I am glad they are in custody, this in no way changes my views of this government or gives me faith in their "effectiveness" for the most part the higher echelon in this administration are no better than these Televangelists trying to get viewers to give them money.

[The Magistrate]

10. Apparently They Were In Their Twenties, Sir

A minor source of amusement to people my age is the charming illusion persons in their twenties seem to labor under, that they are all grown up. For legal purposes they are, of course, but....

[Maat]

33. This retired social worker is in complete agreement with you,

Magistrate.

[itzamirakul]

9. This whole situation seems like a "put-up" job to me...

1. This could be a distraction from the fact that the Voting Rights Act was not renewed. Just how is that going to affect the African American Community's ability to cast votes? So the best thing for Rove and the GOP to do is show that Blacks are also among terrorists in this country.
a. This will give the government many reasons to exclude blacks from voting.
b. This will give the DOJ reason to arrest many blacks i.e. Guantanamo and keep the jails
overflowing with prisoners and security guard positions filled.

2. If these arrested guys are the children of recent immigrants to this country, even if they were born here, they would not have the same awareness of African American descendants of the 1960s Black Power Movement. In some cases, black people may have different perceptions of situations in America, just based on their family's ethnic heritage or the region of the world they came from. Those people who marched and demonstrated in the 60s certainly have a different perception of America than do those who have little or no knowledge of that historical event and its continuing importance.

3. If these guys are actually as stupid as they are being painted, then IMO, the informers would have given them the idea, provided them with the means to get to Chicago to take the pic and put the words into their mouths regading the other people involved.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

15. Ohhhhhhh

Covered faces.

I say they should be executed for that.

Are they black? I hadn't read their races anywhere, so I guess that takes the sting out of your point, whatever it was.

"Reaching out to Al Qaeda..........." How do you think this bunch of losers would manage to do that, and, if they were so "infiltrated" that all they could be charged with was ::::: yawn :::::: conspiracy, why didn't the infiltrators stay with these dastardly evildoers until they were finally in touch with Al Qaeda?

No, that might sound too much like an actual "war on terrorism."

Actually, these are just more Jose Padillas, hard luck losers who will rot away somewhere because they won't be able to afford adequate legal representation.

So, standing in front of a "hideout" with a face covered is a crime?

Damn. Live and learn.

[rzemanfl]

20. Hi! Leftie, it's been a while. After I posted this I watched "The

Dark Side" over the net since I could never stay awake late enought to watch it on PBS. Powerful stuff on the real evil ones.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

27. Worth watching?

I didn't watch it, figuring I already know what fucks they all are.

Plus, if I look directly at an image of Cheney, my ass will fall off.

Seriously, is it worth watching?

[rzemanfl]

29. Very much so, although it made me angry. But these days what

doesn't? It was that or read Freeman's new book on the 2004 election, which also makes me angry (the subject, not the book). You don't even have to use your fancy, on demand cable TV, you can watch it right on your PC. Just type "The Dark Side" into google and you'll find it. There are also in depth interviews, which I have not yet watched.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

31. Why, thank you!

I just pulled it up. I'll probably watch it tomorrow. Out of a sense of outraged duty, which I don't understand, either.

What's terrible - what's the worst - is that it all seems so totally lost already. Like there's no hope.

I really have lost hope. Seriously.

[rzemanfl]

32. Sometimes it almost makes me regret getting sober 21 years

ago. Did I ever tell you the ethnic joke about the two guys interviewing for the truck driving job? I'm pretty sure I did. It sums up the way I feel. I will be out of town for a while but if I neglected to tell you that story, I will when I get back.

I am in that dutiful outrage mode too lately.

Here is a thread that will cheer you up, at least a little.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1496084

[slackmaster]

17. They look like kids to me

I'm 48.

[seabeyond]

4. "kids"....? how old were they. i thought they were in the twenties.

am i wrong?

why would you call them kids intwenties, i want to know? lol

[rzemanfl]

21. When your own kids are in their twenties and thirties your view on

what a kid is changes.

[seabeyond]

23. i am old. and i call twenty year old kids now a days

so i understand that. but..... when it comes to crime or other events i think it is important to not use the word for individual responsibility reasons and not to mislead. age is imprtant and kids suggests under 18. but i certainly hear what you are saying

[grytpype]

5. :rofl:

And it's true!

Hell, the SLA used to hold up banks, these losers couldn't hold up a lemonade stand much less blow up the Sears Tower!

Am I supposed to be afraid of those mooks? Come on!

[rzemanfl]

25. They should have a reporter go to the jail and ask each one of

these "young men" to point out Chicago on an outline map with the cameras rolling, then ask them to do the same for Mecca, Iraq and Afghanistan. We have the FCAT in Florida, so I am sure these well-educated people will have no problem doing that.

[eleny]

7. I think there's a chance that the Miami youths were set up

I'm not convinced yet that they're guilty of plotting anything. So I'm waiting for their attorneys to show up on tv/radio and start giving interviews.

[bunkerbuster1]

18. Golly, ya think?

Ya think maybe having an undercover cop waving money around and promising to fund their operations might've just incited them to talk trash?

Given the way this Administration has behaved in the past, it'd be crazy NOT to assume this and be pleasantly surprised if maybe, just once, the Justice department hasn't screwed up and maybe they might've actually caught some truly bad guys.

But that wouldn't be the way to bet.

[eleny]

26. I really, really want to see thier attorneys start showing up soon

This administration deserves whatever it's wrought over this arrogant and shameless overreaching.

[Jawja]

28. I'm not convinced, either.

I don't believe anything this Justice Dept. says, especially coming from Alberto. This is an election year "get out the vote" propaganda piece where we have 7 "Willie Hortons" to put on display before the public.

If they really were terrorists and a real threat, why weren't they swept up in secret and sent to Guantanamo? Have they been classified as "enemy combatants?" No. They can't present Arab Americans to us because of the "we have to fight them over there" BS.

Gay marriage bombed. The immigration issue blew up in their faces. So now they have gone to their old old tactic of "scare 'em with the black man" to bring out the Southern base in November.

This is my observation, of course. I think it merits consideration.

[eleny]

30. The "Willie Horton" solution that worked for daddy Bush

Lee Atwater used it back in the day and Atwater was Rove's mentor. So, apples are falling at the feet of trees and not rolling an inch.

[Mika]

11. I live in Miami. Watched the local news tonite..

.. and their families were dirt poor. The suspects didn't even have money for shoes. They picked up trash from the parking lots of local stores and eateries for some dollars. Most all neighbors interviewed said that they were good guys, not into dope or crime, and had a ninja fetish.

Sister of one said that they read bibles not the koran in their clubhouse.


:shrug:

[ngant17]

19. Miami is a hotbed of Cuban-American terrorism

Law enforcement historically has not cared a whole lot if a Cuban-American in Miami is involved with terrorist conspiracies, as long as it's directed against Cuba.

Actually, they (Cuban-Americans) are celebrated as local heroes if they are ever caught and/or exposed.

They are picking on poor, homeless African-Americans in Liberty City because these so-called "terrorists" won't have much legal and professional resources to defend themselves from these absurd charges.

Hopefully there are some decent local attorneys over there, someone who will be able to work pro-bono from them, because there is a bigger picture here which should be brought before the US public.

[seabeyond]

24. hm.... very curious this all is. thanks

[Ksec]

13. The black kids in Miami are to terrorists as the

bushites are to credibilty.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

14. Is this a Patty Hearst joke?

Because, you know, if it is, I think you should know that she's always been the wind beneath my wings.

[rzemanfl]

22. Nah! She's the wind between my cheeks. n/t

[slackmaster]

16. The black kids in Miami are PATSIES not terrorists

Dupes, chumps, gulls, pigeons, saps, suckers, tools, schlemiels, butts, laughingstocks, marks, boobies, dodos, fools, geese, half-wits, jackasses, nincompoops, ninnies, nitwits, simpletons, turkeys, pushovers, losers.