Chandra Levy--talk about a blast from the past!

[bliss_eternal]

E!True Hollywood Story Investigates is featuring her tonight. Wow--I hadn't heard or seen that name in such a long time, I thought she'd been entirely forgotten by the media.

[SoCalDem]

1. Condit was a (nomiinal) Democrat, so they are deperately

digging up all the "scandals" they can come up with that are even remotely tied to democrats..:)

[ContraBass Black]

13. Your sig pic is terrifying.

[Canuckistanian]

Man, that story's so old and dead now.

Where's all this outrage now?

[fryguy]

2. GOP in scandal trouble; time to haul out Dem. dirty laundry of the past

Can't get much more transparent than that - unless they next talk about the blue dress....

[bliss_eternal]

4. Ah yes--the blue dress.

I got so sick of hearing of that damned thing!

[coldiggs]

5. LOL i read on drudge that the "last" independent investigation of the clin

ton administration was coming out soon. HMMMMMMMMM imagine that.

[bliss_eternal]

8. Welcome to DU, coldiggs!

:hi:

[Richard Steele]

22. Yup, they ran out of missing young blonde girls.... nm

[no_more_rhyming]

42. Don't forget Mary Jo

[dchill]

3. Nope - the one forgotten...

is Lori Klausutis, found dead in Rep. Joe Scarborough's Fort Walton Beach office.

www.truthout.org/docs_01/01.05B.Klausutis.1.htm

[babylonsister]

6. Lori "who"? Tell us

more! :evilgrin:
Nah, Scarborough is so 'old news'.
Skeletons? How 'bout financial and nefarious bones on Libby, Rove, Cheney, DeLay, Lay, (this list could go on and on!) and the ever present asshole, dimson? (I cannot bear to type his name)

[bliss_eternal]

7. Not just forgotten, in many cases never heard of!

That was the case for me.

I posted here after seeing Scarborough being an ass on Maher's show--asking if he was always so obnoxious, dogmatic and difficult. A few DU'ers responded that is how murderers behave--I was blown away. They gave me links to the story and everything. I'm still shocked.

Not only is he walking around a free man, but he behaved like a guilty one after the incident.

[babylonsister]

9. I have heard the story, but never persued it;

do you think he killed her?
See, I always assume the law will prevail. And the guy has a talk show!
Then again, there's always M. Jackson and OJ. $$ talks.

[bliss_eternal]

14. I'm not sure

that he did, as I don't know enough about the case to say one way or the other. I just find it terribly suspicious that he acted with such guilt (i.e. had excuses and alibi before asked, etc.). That never sits well with me--but it doesn't necessarily equate to him having killed her. Just seems that is the politician's way of dealing with crisis or extinuating circumstances--cover up 101.

He's just such an obnoxious, loud mouth blowhard--it's hard not to think the absolute worst of him. Know what I mean?

[Fredda Weinberg]

17. Doesn't amount to a hill of beans

I watched this "investigation" in its raw stages ... Mrs Klausutis' family at the time and I'm sure still would, appreciate it if you'd stop using their daughter this way. The clinical evidence was indisputable; the poor girl died over a protracted period, so homocide is an unlikely cause of death.

[Nabia2004]

19. So the critics are just full of BS??

* Contradictory reports about whether there is a visible head injury or not.

* A medical conclusion that contains several inconsistencies. First, that Mrs. Klausutis, who was a marathon runner, died of a cardiac arryhthmia. Second, that although she had suffered a fractured skull and a "contracoup" bruise on the opposite side of the brain, the injury could not possibly have been caused by a physical assault.

* The medical examiner's supervisor had contributed thousands of dollars to the congressman's election campaign.

* A medical examiner who had his license revoked in another state. Why? He lost it falsifying autopsies.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_01/01.05B.Klausutis.1.htm

I'll admit, this is the first time I really looked at this case, however, the lack of professionalism and coincidental evidence reads like what we have come to expect from the republican crime family.

[Fredda Weinberg]

20. concealing contradictory facts is dishonest

What didn't make it into the TO report was the fact that Mrs Klausutis was found with a "foam cone" - which would have taken hours of labored breathing to form. As I wrote previously, I'd seen this "investigation" while it was being developed at the Atlantic forum.

To label Mrs Klausutis' relatives a "crime family" without evidence isn't fair either - and the medical examiner was accused of "falsifying" whether he'd taken tissues for research when he hasn't ... and his license was suspended, not revoked.

[proud2BlibKansan]

21. His license was revoked in Missouri.

This guy was the ME here where I live and I remember when he got in trouble. (How interesting all these years later to see his connection to this case in Florida!)

Here is a link:

http://www.beachbrowser.com/Archives/Local-News/August-99/Associate-medical-examiner-suspended-in-licensing-flap.htm
FORT WALTON BEACH, AP -- An associate medical examiner in the Florida Panhandle has been suspended after his Missouri doctor's license was revoked.

[Fredda Weinberg]

24. Thanks for the link

From your article

Berkland had incorrectly stated on the reports that he had taken sections of several brains to be preserved as specimens for medical conferences and teaching purposes. He called them "proofreading errors" and the Missouri attorney general's office found they did not jeopardize any criminal cases.

[proud2BlibKansan]

28. Well that just isn't true

There were several murder cases thrown out because of Berkland's careless mistakes. Maybe no cases related to these 'specimens', but there were other cases he fucked up.

[Fredda Weinberg]

29. and BTW, you're wrong

The History of Dr. Michael Berkland), the state of Missouri, in 1998, revoked his license to practice for a minimum of six years.

That's from the original "article" ... I don't want to give the "editor" any more link throughs.

[proud2BlibKansan]

30. What do you mean I am wrong?

I claimed his license was revoked and you just posted that it was revoked.

What is the problem here? :crazy:

[Fredda Weinberg]

32. The problem is the story's bogus

Berkland's no boy scout, but nothing he's done would suggest that he would affect official findings. That fact, along with the evidence reported by the nurse who happened upon the victim and the express wishes of the girl's family should be enough to shut this speculation down.

[proud2BlibKansan]

34. Well what happened here in KC was not bogus.

And that part of his history should be enough to suggest he is capable of screwing up the official findings of this case in Florida. Murderers are walking free here in MO because of this idiot's incompetence.

[bliss_eternal]

23. Fredda Weinberg--

the previous poster did not refer to Mrs. Klausutis' family as a crime family. What they said was 'republican crime family' referring to Scarborough and others like him that seem to follow a patented course of action when a death occurs near them.

[Fredda Weinberg]

25. That's a generous reading

After all, Mrs Klausutis' family, from the representative who asked the "investigators" to cease and desist, must either be part of this conspiracy or as one of the "investigators" posted in a public forum, must be a "wingnut".

[bliss_eternal]

26. Um...ok.

I was merely referring to what was written by the poster you referred to. I don't think it's generous at all. I just read what they said. But I'll leave it at that.

If the poster wants to clarify what they said or correct your interpretation maybe they will when they see this.

[Fredda Weinberg]

27. If I hadn't mentioned the family first, your interpretation

would be preferable. But I'm forced by the context to conclude otherwise.

Anyway, glad to see we can disagree agreeably. Have a meaningful MLK day!

[bliss_eternal]

36. I agree to disagree yet

you still have to interject that my interpretation is wrong? :banghead: ...whatever. Interpretations are merely that--not facts.

[Fredda Weinberg]

41. Just explaining my reasoning

I'm not arguing for the sake of it. I was involved in the beginning before all the evidence emerged, then I was asked to remain silent so the campaign could continue.

[bliss_eternal]

43. Are you saying that you

KNOW these people personally?

[Fredda Weinberg]

45. One of the "investigators" contacted me

before phoning Ms Klausutis' father, asking my advice. I still have the email where I asked him to be sensitive about it.

He was seeking Palast's interest at the time and I was [e-mail].

[bliss_eternal]

47. I don't understand

why they would contact you?

[Fredda Weinberg]

49. As I noted

he was trying to interest Palast and I was handling the correspondence. It wasn't as straightforward as it sounds in retrospect, but I recognize now that's what he was trying to do.

[bliss_eternal]

50. Would this be the reason

that you've taken so many comments out of context and seemingly to be personal assaults of some sort?

[Fredda Weinberg]

52. personal assault?

If that were true, you should have alerted the moderators. But of course, I'm arguing a principle, not personalities.

[bliss_eternal]

53. You have asserted

arguments and assumptions where there were none to make.... it seemed odd. I'm not the only one on this thread to respond in a surprised manner to your responses here. I see two others.

Just wondered why. You seemed to be taking what I read as innocent comments rather personally.

[Fredda Weinberg]

54. actually, I provided details of which you may not have been aware

For example, the physical evidence that demonstrated Ms Klausutis lay unconscious for hours; the triviality of the medical examiner's offenses and the reaction of the "victim's" family.

Argue with the facts, if you will, but I will challenge any unattributed assertions - as I've accepted all challenges to mine.

Assumptions? Nope ... I may have started by resorting only to my memories of the details, but have responded with verifiable sources.

Like it or not, I was there when this bogus "investigation" began and will continue to dispute it whenever I see it raise its ugly head.

[bliss_eternal]

56. No one argued with you...

You saw arguments where there were none. You created them. If you look back over a few of the other responses (from others not me), they seem to also be surprised by your responses.

Read what's there. Not what you think is there--or what you expect to be there, based on your own preconceived ideas, based on your 'personal experience.'

I haven't tried to argue with you at all. I merely sought clarity as to why you were so upset over an innocent discussion.

[Fredda Weinberg]

58. The original "report" wasn't innocent

As I pointed out in the beginning, salient details were deliberately omitted.

I've got no problem with an honest argument - why should you deny that you started our dialogue with one?

I've stated my premise and supported it with facts. If you want to characterize that as being "upset" - go ahead ... I've spent more time today posting about the reaction to Al Gore's speech than this canard.

[bliss_eternal]

59. Because I did not.

I defended another poster's statement that I felt you read and characterized inaccurately. Review my post if you don't see this. If I tell you honestly what my intent was and you don't believe it, that's your choice.

You're incapable of seeing things any other way. You've made a choice to see something that doesn't exist. Live in that reality if you like. You're the only one arguing here.

Quote:
I've got no problem with an honest argument - why should you deny that you started our dialogue with one?

[Fredda Weinberg]

60. Look up the definition of argument ...

then look up ad hominem. Good night.

[bliss_eternal]

61. Only if you look up

'reading comprehension' and we'll call it even.

Same to you.

[proud2BlibKansan]

62. And I thought maybe

you were related to Joe Scarborough. LOL

[merh]

63. You neglect to recognize a basic premise in our legal system.

The victims of crime are not just the actual victim and/or the family members of the murdered/assaulted/victimized.

We, the public, are also victims of the crime, and it is the state's duty to pursue the investigation of the crime, despite the wishes of the immediate family of the victim.

The laws are enforced to prevent lawlessness and to stop criminals, not to appease the victim and/or the victims family. It is not revenge that is pursued, it is justice. If the matter was not properly investigated, then justice has not been had.

The past transgressions of the ME are enough to question the validity of the autopsy.

As a member of the public I have the right to question whether or not the matter was properly investigated.

:hi:

[dchill]

33. "using their daughter this way"...?

I'm not using her - she's dead. And Joe Scarborough quickly and unexpectedly abandoned his congressional career, and not for a broadcasting career, either. That deal came somewhat after his "resignation". I'm sure if "Average Joe" were a Democrat, the Republicans would find all that more than suspicious. I'm simply finding all the facts in this case suspicious. "Joe's not afraid to ask tough questions." Why should I be? And why shouldn't he answer them?

[bliss_eternal]

37. Hey dchill!

I wasn't sure if you were going to come back and see this... I'm not sure why a simple discussion comparing the two cases was turned into a debate here.

Glad you returned to clarify--not sure it will help. :hi:

[leftofthedial]

10. if she'd been smart enough to disappear in Aruba

they'd never forget.

[niyad]

11. but she wasn't blonde!!

[bliss_eternal]

40. ...and she didn't run away from her wedding!

;)

[wiley]

12. Please.

Laura Bush actually killed someone with her car.

[bliss_eternal]

15. Did she really?

I hadn't heard this...

[wiley]

16. It's a fact.

[txindy]

18. Here's the story:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/laura.asp

[no_hypocrisy]

31. Chandra Levy was one of the last media stories before 9-11

happened.

[bliss_eternal]

38. Yes!

Once 9/11 ocurred, no more Gary Condit coverage, no more Chandra Levy anything... Condit must have been a bit relieved to have some of the pressure taken off.

[TheCentepedeShoes]

35. I have a Chandra Levy theory

'Scuse me while I put on my :tinfoilhat: And it doesn't have anything to do with Chandra being a spy for Mosad or possessing any dangerous inside info. She was just an intern who got mixed up with a minor Dem Congresscritter. I think her kidnapping and subsequent murder were a plot to keep the media and their faithful boob tubers occupied during the summer of '01. Playing a daily game of "Where's Chandra" and chasing Condit thru the streets kept a compliant media from any close exam of BushCo or discovering an 8/06 PDB titled...well you know.

[bliss_eternal]

39. Actually--

the more I'm seeing and learning about the way this admin. works (or doesn't work), your theory sounds pretty logical to me. Thanks for sharing it.

:hi:

[MrMonk]

44. Ooh, Ooh. I have a theory! Ooh, call on *me* pleeeease!

How about this? Chandra Levy was a typical D.C. intern who's academic authorization had run out, so she made plans to go home. One evening, before she left, she went for a run in the park, where she was mugged by some vicious little shit(s) and dragged into the woods, possibly to be raped, certainly to be murdered. When she turned up missing, the RW echo chamber and the venal MSM, remembering the big stir raised about Clinton's intern-in-a-closet, went apeshit pumping the story of a Democratic congressman and a missing intern. And that's the whole story.

[TheCentepedeShoes]

48. Actually IIRC

after Chandra went missing, there were reports that other dark-haired young women had also disappeared in the months before. Saw the brother of one on (I think) Larry King.

[MrMonk]

55. I believe you are correct.

IIRC, it was a young attorney who lived near Levy.

On edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joyce_Chiang

Joyce Chiang was an attorney with the former Immigration and Naturalization Service, who disappeared on January 9, 1999 in Washington, DC, and was later found to have been murdered. Her disappearance and the discovery of her remains in the Potomac River, which drew little news coverage at the time, was rediscovered in the wake of the similar disappearance of Chandra Levy over two years later, in May 2001.

[MountainLaurel]

57. Don't forget the other story of August 2001

Enron.

[Ignacio Upton]

46. Chandra Levy is soooo 9/10/01

Besides, now we have Natalie Holloway to obsess about. BTW, remember after 9/11 when members of the MSM were saying that they would go back to covering "serious" new, instead of the tabloid trash? They sure did a good job of covering their asses for a few months....until just a few months after 9/11 when Elizabeth Smart and a bunch of other suburban white girls took the front pages for dissappearing.

[0007]

51. I think Linda Tripp is also deserving of a little of our time, eh?