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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 07:05 PM
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"Saving the planet could ruin the economy"
Seriously?

I was reading a CNN article on the report that came out today from the National Academy of Sciences stating that the planet is warmer than it has been in 2,000 years.

About halfway into it is this bit:

"The Bush administration has maintained that the threat is not severe enough to warrant new pollution controls that the White House says would have cost 5 million Americans their jobs. (Watch as lawmakers argue saving the planet could ruin our economy-- 2:24)"

I can't believe that anyone could argue with a straight face that we can't save the planet because it could hurt the economy. Their argument of course is that we don't need to save the planet, that the "doomsday" warnings are just fear-mongering, and that the threat of "devastating storms" isn't real.

Tell that to the Gulf Coast.

Not surprising, but it's so deceptive of CNN to posit scientific DATA against the OPINIONS of policy weenies.

God this pisses me off.
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 07:09 PM
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1. It really gets unbearable after awhile. So we're all supposed to
sit back and watch as they destroy the planet.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 07:10 PM
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2. It's that artificial balance.
They have to make sure that the republican view looks at least as legitimate as the democratic side.

Funny how that doesn't work in reverse.
:eyes:
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PWRinNY Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 07:12 PM
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3. Isn't it amazing?
They're unbelievable. HELLO!? If there's no EARTH there can be no ECONOMY! Duh!

Republicans always think they can see the glass half full. Full of crap anyway. How about they see the other side of the economic value of saving the planet. Like all the jobs that can be CREATED in this endeavor.

Silly republicans. Someone ought to build another Titanic just for them. They can go down filthy rich - literally.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 07:12 PM
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4. bush & cronies will lose THEIR jobs if U.S gov got serious on this
bush embraces Armageddon and the Rapture-he could care less about global what?!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 07:14 PM
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5. That's been the argument for 30 years
Did you seriously not know that??
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I_Make_Mistakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 07:18 PM
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7. Remember, they create their own reality, so global warning is
just not happening, get with the program.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 07:16 PM
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6. It will cost too much money?
But we can blow a billion a week in Iraq instead.

We need a change of leadership, soon!

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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 07:18 PM
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8. Shrub doesn't care....he figures the rapture will come long before
the planet burns up. I really hope he burns in hell....if there is a hell.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 07:27 PM
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9. The planet is fine.
It is human ability to live on it due to things we have done that is in jeopardy. The planet will be here long after we wipe ourselves out as a race, just as it was here long before we came about.
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sable302 Donating Member (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 07:36 PM
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10. oh I loooove this kind of stuff
they talk about the magic of the free market and our economy that can deal with just about anything and that we shouldn't worry about debt or trade deficit or anything like that because it's all absorbed and adjusted, but then turn around and say that environmentalism will wreck everything!!

Christ almighty already, we've done loads to fight pollution and help the environment and the economy hasn't crashed yet and they've been saying this stuff for years.

Free market magic works for everything except environmentalism? What a bunch of crap.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 07:51 PM
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11. They actually say the market will fix it
When people recognize their health is being threatened by pollutants, they will show their displeasure with their money and buy products that don't pollute. Of course, that doesn't calculate in the fact that they can't know products are polluting if the same corporates own the media and wont' tell them, or if there's no non-polluting products available to buy anyway.
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I_Make_Mistakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 08:02 PM
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12. Our health is being threatened we just don't get the information
from the lame news media. In NJ, I heard a report that 7 out of 10 children have asthma, from what I ask you! People would be pissed, if they knew the cause, but, alas it's normal for children to be ADHD, asthmatic, lactose intolerant, etc., I say BS! I am 46 and didn't know one ADHD, asthmatic, lactose intolerant kid growing up!

I am not denying that these conditions exist, because they do. Why then in this short span is it normal for so many children to have these conditions?
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 09:59 PM
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13. Agreed, IMM! And there weren't any fat kids back then, either. And
believe me, we ate candy. But asthma, and all that other stuff, was so rare as to be remarkable. Now, everybody's sick.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:00 PM
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14. The planet being destroyed could also have an impact upon...
the economy as well. Of course that is just an estimate. Idiots.
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:08 PM
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15. I'd much rather have a bad economy and a planet than a good
economy and a ruined planet. Why can't we replace the "military industrial complex" with an "environmental human complex"? Seems like if a lot of that money were being spent on alternative fuels, education, etc., it would be just as good for the economy in terms of jobs as say giving it to Boeing for F-22's.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:12 PM
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16. Or, that pollution controls would cost five million jobs.
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 10:13 PM by Cleita
What about the five or six million jobs that have been outsourced?

:grr:
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:17 PM
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17. Either way, we're all in bad trouble.
Enjoy what's left while we can.

I've wasted my life looking for the right people, the right situations, the right everything. Haven't found it. The right time never comes.

What happens to the next generation is their own issue.

We are going to get what our previous generation did.

Why else are we called "Generation X"? X=Crossed, Screwed, you name it.

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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:27 PM
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18. I was at a Sensenbrenner town hall and someone brought up gas prices
Sensenbrenner said that the price would be a lot higher if the Kyoto treaty had been signed.

I can't contort my mind to think that way.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:30 PM
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19. "Cost 5 million Americans their jobs"
Sounds like somebody dusted off their old econometrics textbook from college and reread the chapter titled: "Pulling Numbers Out of Your Ass".
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:36 PM
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20. And the results of fucking up the planet couldn't be expensive?
In terms of health, social issues, survival and FINANCIALLY.

As if the problems resulting from killing the planet, won't cost anything?
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:41 PM
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21. If we dont' DO SOMETHING about global warming....
...we won't NEED an economy.

bytheway, notice which auto manufacturers are doing best: The ones who make fuel efficient cars and hybrids (Toyota and Honda). Look at the ones doing the worst: The ones still making gas guzzlers (GM and Ford).

I think this hogwash about 'can't save the environment without ruining the economy' is a JUST MORE BU$HIT.

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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:44 PM
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22. "This analysis brought to you by the Oil & Gas Lobby....
who could really give a shit about your job or the health of anyone's children."

I wish this crap came with disclaimers.
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