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OneAngryDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 12:50 PM
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Framing ''Cut and Run...''
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 01:37 PM by OneAngryDemocrat
I plan on sending the following letter out to editors of several of my local newspapers. I would very much like some input from all of you DU'ers. Criticism is... CRITICAL.



On Thursday, the GOP majority in the Senate dismissed two Democratic proposals to withdrawal our soldiers from Iraq. "Withdrawal is not an option. Surrender is not a solution," said Republican Senate Majority leader, Bill Frist.

The Republicans outright waved off both of the two motions as either "cut and run" and "cut and jog".

In reality, the two Democratic plans were the only new ideas that anyone has brought forward to end the occupation of Iraq.

Senate Republicans must think the American people are incredibly naive, or that we are grossly lacking in familiarity with American history.

Was it ''surrender,'' when FDR and our European allies set benchmarks to end the Second World War at the Casablanca Conference, and the Tehran Conference, back in 1943?

Was it ''cutting,'' when the Allies outlined their plan for post-war Europe, at the Yalta Conference, in early 1945, or was it ''running'' when the Allies met again, later that summer, to determine Japan's future at the Potsdam Conference?

No. It was strategic planning at its finest.

At these historic meetings benchmarks to end the greatest catastrophe to have ever faced mankind were set - something the majority Republicans seem incapable of doing, and unwilling to do, today.

They would have us believe that 'staying the course,'' is our best option, as horrible as this open-ended option is, while never really stating what the final end-game for this disasterous adventure in Iraq, will be.

The Republican policy in Iraq can be summed up as demanding that more American soldiers die in Iraq tomorrow, so that the soldiers who were killed in Iraq yesterday were not killed in vain.

It isn't the Democrats who have, or wish, to, ''cut and run,'' from Iraq.

It is, in fact, the Senate Republicans who have, ''cut and run.''

From common sense.


Well?

Oh - and please visit my anti-war website, at www.shockedandawful.com
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 12:54 PM
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1. unfortunately, its more than 3 words
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 12:59 PM by maxsolomon
there is no logic in this debate. we're at a sorry point in our history. why are dems even participating in this pointless 3rd grade name calling?

they should flip the tables & call for upping troop levels to 500k and instituting a draft. either we're serious about Empire or we're not.

"stay & pay" is my favorite response.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 12:57 PM
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2. Love the last two lines.
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 12:57 PM by CottonBear
You need to edit the punctuation.

Just two of the needed edits: ...Republicans who have, ''cut and run.''

...No. It was strategic planning at it's finest. <"it's" should be "its".>

"It's" is the contraction of it is. "Its" is possesive.

I like the letter. It needs polishing and lots of commas need to be removed.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:00 PM
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3. "Cut and Run" is a GOP frame - do not use it
Use the phrase "Stay and Pay" instead - we stay in Iraq, with pay with our tax dollars, our soldiers, and our reputation.

I think Murtha came up with that one.

Avoid saying "Cut and Run" at all costs. Let FReeper-whore Schidt use it if she wants.
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OneAngryDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:05 PM
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4. Hmmm....
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 01:24 PM by OneAngryDemocrat
I REALLY like using the phrase.

I used ''Cut and Run,'' NOT to re-iterate the right's talking points, but rather to turn the phrase against them.

''Cut and Run,'' has connotations of cowardice, which the authporitarian father-figure mentality of most republicans can easily grasp - it is why they use it to frame their debate, and earmark democrats as yellow.

By switching the argument against them, while bringing up the hisotry of the many benchmarks set for the Second World War, I want those same authoritarian father-figure head-cases to question their GOP leadership.

Any other comments concerning the re-framing of ''cut and run''?

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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:08 PM
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5. We tried doing that with "flip-flop" - unfortunately, it failed
One thing I learned about GOP frames over the past few years is that once they're established, they're immune from redefinition by Democrats. So you have to create your own frames to use against the Repukes.
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OneAngryDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:10 PM
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6. I don't agree...
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 01:12 PM by OneAngryDemocrat
I do not agree.

I think that was more due to Kerry's timing (or lack, thereof), than anything that he may have actually said.

Let's see what some other good folks think.

Anyone else want to weigh in on this?
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:23 PM
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14. Cut and Run
The only cut and run moves I've seen the democrats make is cutting and running away from other Dems.


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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:28 PM
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15. I re-frame "Cut and Run" in a global sense and throw back at
them like this:

Since 2001, the GOP misleadership's policies R:

"Cut government programs and run away with the lower classes taxpayers' money, plus their National credit-card, and then lie and send the poor to die overseas to fatten the war-profiteers' bank accounts endlessly.

That's the real truth.

P.S.: Thanks to President Kerry for the 'lie and die' part. :applause:
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:51 PM
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17. "Cut and Run" is just more GOP Strawman Bullshit
I agree with you -- don't dignify it with a rebuttal. Call it for what it is -- a way to confuse the real issues
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:12 PM
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7. May I share what I have
communicated to my papers?

The republican policy in Iraq has been boiled down to: More American Kids must be slaughtered in Iraq tomorrow so the kids who were slaughtered in Iraq yesterday were not slaughtered in vain. That is the course the republican party is staying on. They and their supporters must be very proud.
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OneAngryDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:15 PM
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8. Added!!!
It's in there!!!

Any comment concerning my re-framing of ''cut and run''?
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:18 PM
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9. Just one of my tacky comments
The only people cutting and running today are bush supporters when offered an enlistment contract. They choose to let someone else stay the course.
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OneAngryDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:22 PM
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12. I Switched...
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 01:29 PM by OneAngryDemocrat
I moved some of the sentences around... better?
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:23 PM
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13. Old Messenger, New Message
I watched the ?Debate? and the only Senator on the floor that seemed coherant was Byrd (great semaphore too). Kerry was almost as animated but looked a bit too much like Will Robonson's pet robot, just not as smart. Why doesn't Kerry get Bill Clinton to write his talking points?

This is not a difficult issue, well, at least until * and Kerry open their airholes.

Where is Sam Nunn when we really need him?
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:19 PM
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10. They are the party of "Lie and Spy"
They lie to us. They spy on us.
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OneAngryDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:20 PM
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11. ????
No comments, yea or nay, on my use of 'cut and run'?
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:56 PM
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18. Once it's framed there...it's lost...
Unless you can zing they are the party of cutting needed programs and running huge deficits, it's kinda lost...
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 03:16 PM
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20. yesterday i read a post
that said "cut & run" is a nautical term meaning CUTting your anchor off when it won't come up & running away from a storm.

quel appropos
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NI4NI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:32 PM
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16. Only a senseless idiotic fool would not cut and run
from a die for a lie situation.....unless it's them lyin' and somebody else dyin'
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 02:39 PM
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19. They want to stay the course, just like the TITANIC did!
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 03:18 PM
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21. Republicans want the stay and pay plan and
the price is too high to pay.. They want our children's blood and lot's more of it...
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