"dial-up broadband" - exists? or a lie from greedheads?

[oscar111]

Is it real, something new? or just another lie from the greedies?

any info on companies providing it , if it is real? Clark howard and Consumer reports have nothing on it. Clark just said it is coming, few months ago. CR has absolutely nothing on it.

please help this liberal arts type of guy.

thanks a lot,
mediaevael peasant oscar

[Syrinx]

1. I'm not sure what you are referring to

But I was under the impression that copper telephone wire is incapable of transmitting data at a "broadband" level. Basically, that the copper would melt under such a load. But I'm frequently wrong. ;)

[charlie]

4. DSL is carried over phone lines

but it's not a dialup service.

[Syrinx]

7. yeah, but...

You have to have reasonably "modern" (fiber optics or bigger copper) lines and you have to live within a certain (pretty small) distance from the central switching office.

[stevekatz]

12. sorta....

It's complicated but DSL does work over normal phone lines..
See your voice call only uses 0-4KHZ worth of bandwidth... or more precisely 300hz to 3400hz, the rest is a guardband...

But anyway,, anything above the 4Khz mark is what is used by DSL, and this is why you have to put filters on your phone lines if you ever get DSL service from your phone company.

It works over even older copper at certain speeds, and it has little to do with the thickness of the cable it has more to do with the amount of noise on the wire, noise is introduced by bad wire wraps, proximity to certain equipment (florescent lights for instance), or improper grounding. My parents house was built in the 30s and thier 3 meg DSL works perfectly.

Fiber DSL is a new thing, its called FTTC (fiber to the curb) or FTTN (fiber to the neighborhood). With FTTC 40-50 meg internet connections are theortically possible. This is when you start having your phone company being able to provide you your Cable TV stations. Which is a political mess in alot of places, we really need to update our telecom laws. The net neutrallity act is a red herring a truefully a bad idea, government needs to stay out of the internet. They just aren't smart enouph to write a good law. But anyway I digress.

[Syrinx]

15. interesting

Thanks for the education! :hi:

[Canuckistanian]

16. Not sure what you mean by "net neutrality act"

The act is attempting to abolish net neutrality, to make the internet a pay for play corporate-contolled nightmare, just like cable TV is.

Don't fall for the "government always makes bad laws" argument. The internet has worked so well precisely BECAUSE the corporations haven't been meddling with the basic structure.

If the telcos get their way, DU itself may become a victim.

[ima_sinnic]

2. there is something called "high-speed dialup"

Not sure if this is what you're talking about or even what HSD means or how it works. BellSouth offers this -- but since I just told them to take a flying leap and ditched them as a long-distance customer, I'm not about to buy into their "high-speed dialup" schtick. Like I told the CSR, first they sell my long-distance telephone record, then they can sell my internet browsing history. NO THANK YOU!

[charlie]

3. Never heard of it

You sure they're not talking about broadband over power lines?

[oscar111]

10. different things... BPL is not what i am thinking/reading about

i have seen BPL explained,and it is different.

[charlie]

11. Whatever it is

it's a weird idea, if it's real. It just means they've found a way to pump more bits over an analog line, which is very inefficient compared to a digital signal. Not to mention, it'll tie up your telephone service while you're online. Might be good for remotely rural places that are still outside the reach of broadband, but not for much else.

[951-Riverside]

5. No does not exist

[Dead_Parrot]

6. There's B-ISDN (sort off)

-Broadband Integrated Services Digital Network, basically a high-speed ISDN line (which is a point-to-point service like a dial up, but running on faster, digital kit). Although to the best of my knowledge, it only ever existed on paper and was shelved when cable & DSL lines took off. I guess it might have been ressurected.

Or they might be talking about a DSL connection, which will wrangle anything up to 10Mb/s over your standard copper wires depending on how good they are (in Europe, each installation is checked by an engineer to find the maximum reliable speed).

Or they might be full of shit, always an option for a Telco. :)

[Barad Simith]

8. I've been on dialup DSL since 2001

I use a special modem, one that looks like the old 56K, but a little bigger. It fits in the same motherboard slot which held the 56K.

I dial a number, just like in the old, pre-DSL dialup days, but it's a silent process (it doesn't make that awful series of beeps and screeches).

My ISP charges $10 less per month for this than they charge for regular DSL, and the modem costs $5 instead of whatever the conventional DSL router-modem-thing costs. Seems like it was $150 for the conventional one back in 2001, when I decided on dialup DSL instead.

[bananas]

9. It's called g.lite or "Universal DSL" but don't hold your breathe.

http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/G/G_lite.html
http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci212198,00.html

[RebelOne]

13. AOL offers dial-up broadband.

[TexasProgresive]

14. With BRI ISDN you can

get 128 K and over a standard phone line the technical limit is 56 K. Each phone line is a 64 K circuit minus some overhead. ADSL runs over standard copper pairs up to 18,000 feet from the source. The speed of the ADSL connection is dependent upon the gauge of the pairs (how big, the presence of crosstalk and noise from other pairs and outside influences and the distance from the ADSL equipment. ADSL equipment is often mounted in cabinets at a distance from the Central Office which gives service to more distant subscribers. The only "high speed internet" that I know of is using some kind of software to make stuff load faster. But this will not make large files like audio, photos and video load any faster. There is no free lunch.