***********Official Thread #4, Kerry/Feingold Iraq resolution*************

[ncrainbowgrrl]

Thread #3 is over here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1479913

[ncrainbowgrrl]

1. kick

:kick:

[LSK]

2. thanks for thead 4

[babylonsister]

3. Warner's sympathetic, but doesn't think other nations will follow? Kerry

'reminded' him that Poland and England are 'drawing down'. Get w/the program, Warner!

[tocqueville]

4. other nations will follow is there is a NEW deal

Kerry is right

[ProSense]

5. Italy and Japan are leaving!

Warner seems to believe failure is imminent!

[babylonsister]

8. Poland was; are they already gone? nt

[ncrainbowgrrl]

6. Warner was quick not to forget Poland.

Good lapdoggy.

[bdamomma]

16. England is ready to withdraw their troops also

get with it Warner.

[Olney Blue]

7. Kerry is magnificent.

[babylonsister]

10. Isn't he though! What a great night; truth is nice to hear. I almost

forgot what it sounded like!

[Olney Blue]

20. I remember the first debate, when Kerry's logical arguments were

so delicious.

[INdemo]

52. Just saw his interview with Anderson Cooper

and he was great..he certainly defined his lie and die statement..
I understand the Democrats in the Senate differ from setting a withdrawal date vs the redeploy issue but that's not really enough of a disagreement to label the Democrats as not being united. But I guess it gives Rove enough ammunition to prod the MSM to report it this way.
However this withdrawal issue is now hot enough that it is not going to be swept away by some political maneuver by Frist..I say go ahead Rove and call us Cut and Run Democrats,but some catchy slogan wont work this time.. Oh and I thought it was great when JK said this about Rove."For someone who has never fired a shot or been shot at doesn't know what cut and run means"

[bdamomma]

9. anyone watching c span 2

between Kerry and Warner, I don't know about you but I think Kerry's plan is right, and precise, but Warner is part of the vast right wing, I do not see him bending on this. Timetable didn't they give the Iraqis a timetable to vote, I recall they did. Warner is finding any excuse not to give Kerry any credit at all. Kerry is making sense, but these guys do not know what sense is.

[LSK]

12. yes, that is what this thread is about - CSPAN2

[uppityperson]

14. !

:rofl:, thank you

[ProSense]

They're against the occupation, but they're against opposition to it! n/t

[LSK]

11. Sen Harkin coming up

[ncrainbowgrrl]

Oh yuck, yuck, yuck- Jeff Sessions.

:puke:

[uppityperson]

18. I forgot how he sounds, and following Kerry

[bdamomma]

23. I just shut it off

can't stand to listen to these repigs. Kerry was great, the man knows what he is talking about. When he suggested that the other countries around the region talk, I remember that the other nations did try to help but Bush co, told them to get lost, this administration does not know what diplomacy is? they just believe in military might, well we all see where that has got us huh?

[uppityperson]

13. thanks for the new thread

I forgot the ***** with the last thread, tiny tear :cry:

[patrice]

15. What did he say about "if they don't do it themselves, it will never

happen, because we can't do it for them". He used the word "ain't". I was surprised.

400,000 Iraqi security forces are incompetent? Repeat. Repeat. Repeat.

Iraqi political entities will not make any deals amongst themselves as long as they don't really have to, ergo they'll say we should go home when they have no intention of becoming one with one another, because they're still "bargaining" with one another.

[LSK]

17. Sessions- time to go to the bathroom, do some laundry, check the weather

This guy is the dumbest man in Congress bar none.

[Olney Blue]

28. I was born in Alabama, and I want you to know that everyone

is not that dumb!

[LSK]

30. dont worry, im not basing your whole state on this idiot

Ive seen him make a fool of himself plenty of times on CSPAN

[uppityperson]

32. No, he is just special.

You are special too, but in a nicer way

[patrice]

19. Sessions has a very irritating voice.

GREAT contrast with Kerry!

[uppityperson]

27. had his face slammed in a door as a child. he can't help it

maybe?

[patrice]

87. Could be.

You'd think he'd fix it or get it fixed if he could. So maybe you're right.

[Olney Blue]

21. Warner: We're there to help Iraqis achieve THEIR goals.

Whose goals?

[sandnsea]

24. "concentrations of energy"

And there we go, political control over the region, over the oil.

[ticapnews]

26. Them.

They.

[ProSense]

22. Goals! Such as the goals in the

Khalilzad message!

[ncrainbowgrrl]

25. GOAL! (Ohh- wait- not a world cup thread- sorry!)

Sessions lowers my IQ.

[ProSense]

29. It's like watching

an infomercial!

[ticapnews]

31. Warner: Who knows when the end of strife will come in that region

No kidding. So let's stay there as long as we can!

[ticapnews]

33. Dear Senator Sessions

Considering your party's horrific track record on Bosnia and Kosovo, you might not want to bring those up.

Sincerely,

Me.

[ncrainbowgrrl]

34. Hehehe. Good one.

:rofl:

[ticapnews]

36. Just trying to be helpful :)

[LSK]

35. JESUS CHRIST!!! SESSIONS IS TALKING ABOUT OUR CIVIL WAR

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[ncrainbowgrrl]

39. Wouldn't that have made Sessions a part of the "insurgency"

:evilgrin:

[ProSense]

37. Strengthen the Iraqi gov't, but his example is of a weak gov't n/t

[ticapnews]

40. Their message of violence, hatred, extremism, oppression of women...

Is he talking about terrorists, or the GOP?

He doesn't want a strong government because a strong government might be able to force us to leave. A weak government needs us there (or won't have the will to kick us out)

[uppityperson]

38. Sessions: not a civil war like those of us here in the USA know a civilwar

comparing Kosovo civil war with Iraq? my brain is dumbing down trying to figure out what he is saying. Oh, sectarian violence, we've helped before we can do it again (and why is this happening anyway and why is it increasing even if we are trying to help you little squished face whiner?). Oh lord, now off to WW1 and WW2, lost 18,000 people in 1 day in WW1 and so you see the ones we've lost in Iraq are so little because the cost of freedom is so high, smart about fighting the war on terror. Only $18.99, call 1-800-IAMSTUPID and get your FREE GIFT TO!!!1

[malaise]

42. He doesn't know

what he is saying so why should you?

[LSK]

45. LOL - good one n/t

[ProSense]

41. Jeff Sessions!

Please SHUT UP!

[LSK]

43. he said he needed 30 min

How much time is left? :evilgrin:

[uppityperson]

44. Too long

get the hook

[uppityperson]

49. crap, he's still going on? Back in a few.

[Mr_Spock]

53. Jackass is still rambling

I wish he would shut the "F" up.

[ProSense]

46. Never tell the enemy Bush plans to visit Iraq! Is Iraq the enemy? n/t

[Laura PourMeADrink]

47. I've been watching ALL day. One thing truly popped out. We

Democrats have the intelligent people by a mile. I have new found respect for Biden and Kerry. And Russ, Oh my God, Russ. and Barbara ! They are very brilliant and you can tell -- they study, they ask, they learn.

Not a single repuke, (although Graham and Hagel seemed sincere) sounded like they had an ounce of intelligence. Tired old flag waving. No substance. No way they could compete with those mentioned about. You can tell they know jack shit on detail.

Guess that's what happens when you take your marching orders from the Man. You don't have to study - you just do what he says.

[liberalpragmatist]

102. Praising Democrats on Democratic Underground?

Thank you!

[ticapnews]

48. We haven't had another attack on our homeland since 9/11

Really?

Remind me again why it takes weeks for a letter to get to Congress, if it ever does.

[Mr_Spock]

51. The effing stupidest statement ever, we've only had 2 in 100 years

Dumb ass holes.

[Roland99]

59. Anthrax? Shoe bomber?

[Hippo_Tron]

50. I love all of the Repukes who cite the Generals

Yea guys, when your Secretary of Defense fires any General that doesn't agree with him, they are going to say things that you want to hear.

[LSK]

HES GOING TO CONCLUDE!!!!!!!!!!!111

:) :o :D :party: :toast: :bounce: :dunce:

[Monkeyman]

54. Veterans For Kerry IL

Kick their red butts John Still blue in IL

[LSK]

60. welcome to DU!!!

Hello from Roselle! :hi:

[Sugarcoated]

55. I can't look at Sessions

without picturing him in a white hood. I wouldn't be surprised . . .

[LSK]

56. Harkin up now

[uppityperson]

57. Sessions shut up, on to Harkin (Iowa)

[malaise]

64. Good going Harkin n/t

[Sugarcoated]

58. It's late

But we're listening Sen. Harkin. More people than you think.

[LittleClarkie]

61. Are they going to vote tonight?

Or will they save that for tomorrow.

[LSK]

63. Tomorrow n/t

[bdamomma]

67. they will vote tomorrow

[uppityperson]

65. Thanking Kerry for leadership, will vote for both amendments

calm, reasoned, clear that neither amendment is going to pass "we all know that", it won't pass, won't become law. We are doing it because we must put pressure on (pres?), for the people that know it is wrong, that we have been misled into this war. Anything we can do to give voice to the american people who will pull the pres back to a more reasonable and sane policy, I will support.

[LSK]

62. Harkin "we must speak for the American people"

They are way ahead of us. They know they were misled, they know this is wrong.

[uppityperson]

66. comparing to vietnam misleading, wmds is to Iraq as Tonkin to VN

[uppityperson]

68. fixed intellegence to fit preconception, Nixon VietNam, Bush Iraq

[LSK]

69. "same as vietnam"

Gulf of Tonkin lie = WMD lie
Communists = terrorists

[uppityperson]

70. "we know" neither amendment will pass but we have to support them

[uppityperson]

71. staying the course not a virture if course is demonsterabley wrong

[uppityperson]

72. "Stay and Pay"

Is what Iraq means to our taxpayers and children

[malaise]

74. Iraq does not have WMDs

and never did. Mash down that lie.

[uppityperson]

73. "support our troops" by giving them hope

man he is doing good counter slogans

[LSK]

75. why are we building a huge new Embassy?

Why are we building large bases?

[malaise]

77. This is a great speech

Kudos to Tom Harkin.

[uppityperson]

76. Why are we: permanent military bases, stripping "no perm bases" bill

what message is that sending to the insurgents? None of this says US is planning on winding down" (dang. lost cspan)

[uppityperson]

79. Stay and Pay, Stay and Pay , Stay and Pay

"stay the course" sends the wrong message that US wants permanent military bases in Iraq. (wtf? Is the video repeating?)

[w8liftinglady]

78. wow-are they still debating?

[Mr_Spock]

80. You bet

Harkin is making an awful lot of sense too...

[LSK]

81. last speech of the night - and its a great one

[blm]

88. For awhile there it was MustSeeTV.

.

[LSK]

93. it still is - Sessions was a commercial break

[blm]

101. Sessions made me feel like a really bad toothache..... I came back to the

computer to avoid his drone.

[ProSense]

82. Harkin is doing an excellent job laying out the facts! n/t

[uppityperson]

86. base it not on happy talk but facts on the ground

he's using nice short words and phrases. Mrbush "the taliban is no longer in existence", now the war Afghanistan is worsening due to our being distracted in Iraq. Bin Laden at large, still. More bush quotes from 5 yrs ago.

[ProSense]

91. Bush has less credible than Nixon! n/t

[Roland99]

83. $9 million per hour, every hour, every day

[bdamomma]

84. that sum of money is disgusting

all that money for a bunch of lies, and death.

[malaise]

89. He has no more credibility than Nixon did

Wow!!!

[Roland99]

85. "bin Laden is still at large"

"Bush would bring bin Laden to justice or bring justice to bin Laden."

"5 years later and President Bush has done neither...instead, he's allowed bin Laden to escape"

[Roland99]

90. Quoting Gen. Odom >>>>>>>

Gen. Odom, Director of NSA under Reagan, in the current issue of Foreign Policy magazine;

"rapid reversal of our current course in Iraq would improve our credibility around the world"

[oasis]

94. "rapid reversal or our current course in Iraq would improve US credibilit

around the world".

:wow:So let's do it then.

[Roland99]

92. Cheney & Rumsfeld have been wrong, drastically wrong in their predictions

reads quotes B/C and Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz have made.

Many of them used in this:

http://www.peacetakescourage.com/number.html

[malaise]

96. He has not only squandered his political capital

he has also squandered his last shred of credibility on Iraq.

Just the truth.

[Roland99]

95. How can anyone believe what the outcome will be when we can't trust

this administration.


He has shredded his last bit of credibility when it comes to Iraq.


I think the President has it backward...truth is, the Iraqi Army and the Iraqi Gov't will stand up, make the hard political decisions, only when it is clear that the American army is standing down, by the end of the year.

[Roland99]

97. Oh crap. Sen. Talent (Repuke from Missouri)

Will vote to "stay the course"

In a war against a "transnational army".

The terrorist began attacking us before Sept. 11. Bombed Khobar Towers, USS Cole, blah blah blah

We know who the terrorists are. A tightly knit and organized group of terrorists. :rofl: :rofl:


What a tool!

[Roland99]

98. Mentioning repression of women's rights (hmm...like in Basra??)

:mad:


This guy is so lacking in passion. Totally reading from Rovian index cards.

[malaise]

100. Fugg him I'm out of here n/t

[Roland99]

106. Letterman's on in 5 min. I can't stand watching this pathetic Bushbot

[uppityperson]

99. Talent (missouri) stay the course until complete victory

wonder what that is defined as. Come on, you can do it, say it "islamofascists". OK, just did "thought police", too bad talking about Taliban, who Mr.bush said was no more.

[Roland99]

103. Mentions many TV and Radio stations operating but forgets to mention

they are pumping out US-provided propaganda.


Goes on to say 250,000 trained Iraqi security forces but forgets to mention we should be standing down.

[ProSense]

104. All is good, so get out! n/t

[Roland99]

105. "This war is serious and necessary and must be won"

"only possible strategic case"

:puke:

[Roland99]

107. Oh wait, one more before I flipped the channel. It's a DOOZY!!!

Talent was going on that the strike on Zarqawi was a fine example of the alliances attained with the US and Muslim countries and the new Iraqi government.


:wtf:


Seems he FORGOT that Zarqawi's own people turned on him!!!

[LSK]

108. Senate is done for tonite, returning 9:30 or 10:30 tomorrow?

I didnt catch when?

[4nic8em]

109. I have been extremely impressed

with all the "real" Democratic Senators during this debate. They have all offered with great definition the Democratic "plan" for Iraq and the urgency for it's adoption, completely dispelling the right wing spin of "cut and run". I now offer the challenge to the Republican party to definitively lay out with equal detail thier strategy of "stay the course". I know that it will be an impossible task for them to accomplish. My God, I am profoundly proud of our party tonight.

[Sugarcoated]

110. Did my guy Russ speak?

Did I miss him?

[babylonsister]

111. Yes, he did. He kicked it off hours ago, and was great! nt