I've got to log off, but I wanted to ask if DUers caught PBS' "Frontline"

[coalition_unwilling]

"Frontline" last night? If so, did you feel like it was trying to rehabilitate Tenet at the expense of Darth Cheney and Rumsferatu? Or did you feel like Tenet still looked as bad at the end of the show as he did when the "slam dunk" baloney first came out?

I'll try to respond to everyone tomorrow. But, please, talk amongst yourselves :)

[Blue_In_AK]

1. I personally thought he seemed like a

"Stockholm Syndrome" victim. He was bludgeoned into submission. Too bad he and Colin Powell couldn't ultimately stand for their principles.

[coalition_unwilling]

32. I can only imagine what might have happened had the

two (Tenet and Powell) chosen to resign together -- now that would have been a shot heard round the world.

Interesting point about the 'Stockholm Syndrome.' While I have not read Ron Suskind's new book yet ("The 1% Solution," I think it's titled), I've heard on various alternative media outlets that Tenet may have been one of Suskind's anonymous sources.

[grasswire]

2. I thought Bush got off easy.

I thought it made him look too good.

There are several discussion threads on DU about the show, and you'll find lots of DU opinions in them.

[Misskittycat]

5. I agree with that, too. Bush got off too easy. n/t

[Master Mahon]

6. Can a retarded man with

multiple addictions really be held accountable for his actions???

YES! We execute retarded people!!!

[coalition_unwilling]

33. I figured there had to have been other threads, but I couldn't seem

to find any. At the time, I was in a hurry so didn't search as thoroughly as I might have.

If you see this, could you please point out or provide links to the other DU threads on this topic?

[Misskittycat]

3. I think they both looked bad, but Tenet looked less bad

than previously, when the Administration and the lapdog press were trying to blame it all on Tenet and the CIA. I think what the producers were saying was -- there was a point where Tenet should have resigned instead of giving way to the "overwhelming" -- I think that's the term one person used -- pressure from the Bushies to link Saddam and 911 and to "find" WMD's.

[Master Mahon]

8. Didn't Tenet say it was 'a slam dunk'? N/t

[MissWaverly]

4. I think that Cheney and Rumsfailed looked bad

I think Tenet looked like someone that was caved under pressure.

[physioex]

7. I think they pointed out....

That Tenet was a "team player", and to me this is not acceptable since his job is to give the evidence even under arm twisting pressure. So from it I concluded that Tenet was someone who was manipulated into giving information that was wanted....

[Master Mahon]

12. They achieved each others goals

The CIA got control over Afganistans Heroin and
The administration got control over Iraq's oil.
A partnership between Satan and Lucifer!

[physioex]

27. Yea.....

But notice how opium is more vibrant than under the Taliban, and number of new terrorists has increased exponentially....

[coalition_unwilling]

34. I can see how you you might have drawn that conclusion, but . . .

in my mind, the "loyal team player" was Powell (to his lasting shame and disgrace) whereas the picture I had of Tenet was of a good 'ole frat boy bonding with *.

[katty]

9. the targets were Cheney and Rummy-partners in hell 30yrs+

[nosmokes]

10. yawn

i thought they all got off too easy. the whole thing was soft soaped IMO. lots of talk about how cheney felt the pres was granted more power by the constitution but very little rebuttal to that. i dunno, they tried to make it seem like some big expose, but there was nothing new or even controversial about it that i saw. hohum, the pentagon broadcasting serviceis boot licking again.

[coalition_unwilling]

35. I totally understand where you're coming from and agree with

you to a large extent. However, I did think that the one thing the "Frontline" piece fore-grounded was the bureaucratic infighting between Tenet and Cheney\Rumsferatu. Based on my readings in the history of the Third Reich, Hitler's various security subordinates -- I'm thinking specifically of the struggle between Heydrich's RSHA and Himmler's SS -- were constantly at one another's throats also. (Part of Hitler's strategy of maintaing power rested on pitting one subordinate against another in endless turf wars.)

[RufusEarl]

11. Front Line

I watched but didn't hear anything new, and i don't care about Tenet. That guy may have been able to have stopped this war along with a few others, but IMHO did nothing.

I feel the same about Powell, he could have and should have resigned instead he went to the UN and lied for this mis-administration.

[donco6]

13. It confirmed to me that Cheney/Rumsfeld . . .

have never once considered how an action may be good/bad for the world. Their ONLY consideration is how much power it will gain for the US and them in particular.

[unschooler]

22. "There is no good or evil; only power and those too weak to seek it."

Who originated the quotation above?

1. Cheney
2. Rumsfeld
3. Voldemort

:shrug:


edited for typo

[donco6]

23. I don't understand . . .

You mean there's a difference? :)

[unschooler]

28. Voldemort's not real.

Other than that, they're pretty much the same.

[dogday]

14. When history looks back on these men

Will it view them favorably? I think not.. They had the opportunity to make the difference and they have failed the test. They have no honor...

[Minnesota Libra]

15. The program was much too easy on Bush the Decider and put......

......all the responsibility on George Tenet, Cheney, and Rumsfeld.

Tenet was indeed wrong for giving up his morals and convictions for the sake of being with "the in-crowd". I think to a large degree the friendship that developed between Tenet and Bush was used by Rove, Rummy, and Cheney.

Rightfully so most all the responsibility was placed of Rumsfeld and of course Cheney. The whole program made Bush seem like a helpless victim, which he is not because Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld are all in this together.

Rove was mentioned but not near enough.

[Wetzelbill]

16. I waited up, but 20 minutes beforehand

I had to call it quits. I was too tired. :)

[Armstead]

17. It made Tenant look weak and amoral and not too bright

The impression I got from watching it is that he was a "main chancer" who was so impressed by rubbing elbows in the halls of power that he lost his focus and principles to "go along to get along."

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

18. It didn't tell me anything I didn't already know...

and it went to lengths to keep from just coming out and saying they're all a pack of liars.

:thumbsdown:

[unschooler]

20. I agree. It was tame. But it was more than I've seen in the MSM until

now.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

21. It was more, sure.

But not good enough.

[physioex]

25. Don't knock it too much....

I've been watching Frontline for a very long time, and although I didn't learn anything new (which you can learn by reading DU) from it either it was presented in a visual format.

[unschooler]

19. What offended me was the abuse of the Medal of Freedom

Let's see... who doesn't belong in this group?

Nelson Mandela...
Vaclav Havel....
George Tenet... :wtf:

[physioex]

24. Keep going....

L. Paul Bremmer

[unschooler]

26. Richard Myers

At the rate the Chimperor is going, Mandela and Havel will soon be the odd ones in the group.

[grasswire]

29. one other thing...

....it did place some blame on Condi Rice for not being able to give Bush bad news. As National Security Adviser, it was her responsibility to stop the stove-pipe propaganda from reaching Bush. She didn't. Did she fear Bush? Or Cheney?

[NJCher]

30. thoughts

a) it would be a cold day in hell before I'd take a job like Tenet's, Cheney's, or Rumsfeld's. What kind of person could enjoy such power maneuvering? Ech.

b) it would be interesting for one of those photo analysts to look at stills extracted from this show. The body language and facial expressions could undoubtedly tell us much about the lying, who was under stress, etc. There is one shot of Condi and someone else looking over their shoulder that particularly struck me. The expression on Tenet's face when he received the Medal of Honor was interesting.

My overall impression was it was an awesome display of people who sold us out. From Colin Powell to Tenet, there wasn't a thought for the American people.




Cher

[coalition_unwilling]

36. While you might not enjoy the bureaucratic infighting, wouldn't

you agree that a modern nation state needs some sort of intelligence-gathering and military capability? If so, then those capabilities need competent executives running them. At the risk of sounding a little blase and cynical, I'd wager that any large bureaucratic structure will almost always contain a certain amount of amoral power-mongering.

That said, the Frontline episode truly reminded me of the way the bureaucrats in the Third Reich constantly jostled for Hitler's approval and aggrandizement of each bureaucrat's respective turf(s).

[peaches2003]

31. Traitors

Tenet and Powell were traitors to their principles and to the country. They should have resigned and spoken out and maybe this g-d war could have been stopped before it began. They owed it to the people who are now fighting and dying. Team players be damned. Not when the stakes were this high. May they both rot in hell along with the rest of Bushco.

The show was easy on Bush, but Bush was not the focus- it was about Cheney, Rummy, and Tenet. Bush came out looking immaterial.