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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 04:29 PM
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Don't Buy the Media Narrative - Dems Have Their Shit Together
They are coming out swinging on Wednesday!

Do you know what's about to happen Wednesday? There are about 100 high-profile speeches and meetings scheduled, where prominent Democrats will, in a unified way, assail the culture of corruption, offer their own proposal to reform Washington, and promote their slate of candidates in 2006. This is right from the old Republican message management playbook, and Howard Dean is at the forefront of these efforts.

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<http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/1/15/161320/911>
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 04:31 PM
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1. If a tree falls in the forest ... (n/t)
Flem.
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 04:46 PM
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10. VIDEO from Mr Smith Goes to Washington about the Media Machine
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 05:09 PM
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22. Thanks for the video.
What's changed? There aren't many Mr. Smiths anymore...:cry:



Peace.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 07:45 PM
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37. That clip made me cry.
I need to put that movie at the top of my Netflix que.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 08:46 PM
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41. Thanks so much for the clip. There's nothing new under the sun.
It's a constant fight and now all of us are the fighters. MKJ
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 05:10 PM
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23. Exactly.
You could round up the most famous people in the world and put them in front of the biggest audience in the world and it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference if the media didn't cover it. (And I mean the mainstream media).
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 04:38 PM
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48. Yes, but if a hundred trees fall...

...people will notice the fact that the forest is missing.
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Plausible Donating Member (386 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 04:32 PM
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2. read the link and didnt see anything about stopping Alito
so what are you saying?
forget it?
I don't think we will forget this one.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 04:48 PM
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13. no cause it really doesnt matter what dems do. how about being pissed
at the american people and bush and the media and the christian right. they are the one responsible for alito. the only one who isnt, being the minority and not having the votes, and not having the control, are the only ones you blame

wow, what an odd concept. go pout. leave me out of the we
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 04:34 PM
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3. Thank You!
Is media coverage what is fueling all of this doom and gloom today? Just a week ago, Dean, as party chair, took the media to task, and he did it beautifully.

I'm going to check out the Kos link now.

Thanks again...:hi:
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 04:34 PM
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4. I suspect and hope they are better at strategizing then DU
DU is good at generating anger and energy but I really hope the Dems are busy coming up with a strategy to win the American people and moderate republicans over.
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Plausible Donating Member (386 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 04:38 PM
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6. fighting alito would do that n/t
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 07:39 PM
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36. Fighting Alito would make a big difference. Stopping a few free lunches
would be nice, but without real election reform and real campaign finance reform, the proposed ethics reforms are hollow.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 07:47 PM
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38. If DEM'S had listened to DU, they wouldn't be "flip-floppers" on Iraq.
Edited on Sun Jan-15-06 08:01 PM by Dr Fate
If DEMS had listened to DU, we would have punched the Swiftboaters in the throat instead of hoping they would go away. ETC, ETC, ETC.

I'm not so sure these "strategists" who lost the lat 3 election cycles are any better than the arm-chair or local party strategists here at DU.

In fact, if you go back on DU from over the past 4 or so years and look-if DEMs had listened to the general consensus here as to how things should play out, they might be in a better position than they are.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 04:35 PM
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5. I certainly havn't given up hope yet.
All the DREARY media reports just sound
like typical repub propaganda,
and are hardly worth believing.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 04:41 PM
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7. 100 high profile speeches and meetings are scheduled and
the WH propaganda MSM will be sure to cover them, right?:eyes:

What good does it do if they aren't covered by MSM? NO ONE will ever hear them...except the people who attend the speeches or meetings and then it's just preaching to the choir. Unless the people out here in the "heartland" see it on their teevee...it doesn't exist.

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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 04:49 PM
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15. Then what's the answer? What's the answer??
And there's nothing "mainstream" about the Corporate Media's agenda, so please don't advance the "MSM" meme.

NGU.


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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 04:53 PM
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50. There is no answer. NONE.
They have total control over this "game" of theirs. Complete and total control. The people in this country will only see what the CORPORATE MEDIA wants them to see. Period.

C-Span may cover some of them. We'll see. :(
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 05:19 PM
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25. We don't know that yet.
We do know that the LA Times, at least, is alerting people to the fact that they will happen.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 05:43 PM
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28. And, the Baltimore Sun has been doing a Pretty Good Job
in Baltimore, MD, less then 50 minutes from that stinkin' craggy hill.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 04:45 PM
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8. This should be good timing, given that it is coming
on the heels of Gore's speech.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 04:46 PM
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9. I can see why some are down... who gets to appear on tv - Biden and
Edited on Sun Jan-15-06 04:48 PM by higher class
Feinstein - who is behind the prison built to contain us against filibustering - Leiberman and his compatriots.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 04:47 PM
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12. Biden and Feinstein are always on TV.
Maybe the DNC is trying to change that. We'll see. I still think it's great news.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 04:47 PM
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11. From your keyboard to G-d's ears......
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 04:48 PM
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14. Thanks for this info!!!
:hi:
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 04:53 PM
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16. Your welcome.
A hundred speeches all the same day has to make an impact, along with the video of Republicans meeting with lobbyists at K street should be a telling statement.
Dean has picked an ideal place to deliver his speech.
On message is what is wanted, on message is coming.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 04:54 PM
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17. Some of these ideas are quite BOLD.
:rofl:

As such, they just might get some media coverage.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 04:56 PM
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18. This sounds great but
I have to disagree with this statement:

I understand the "woe, woe to us" calls in diaries of late. Obviously everyone's upset about the prospect of Alito on the Court, and are yelling and screaming that if the Dems don't get up and fight then they'll bolt to the Greens or withhold fundraising money or any number of other vindictive expressions of backlash.

But they're missing the point to an extent. The best way to stop Alito, and those of his ilk, are to win elections.


Isn't this closing the barn door after the horses have escaped? In fact isn't it closing the barn door after the horses, cows, chickens, goats, etc. have all run off and the barn's caught fire?
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 05:00 PM
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19. If we had something like a majority anywhere in Congress,
then I'd agree with you.

We don't.
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Plausible Donating Member (386 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 05:58 PM
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31. well said n/t
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 05:09 PM
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20. Is there a news release or anything about this?
I don't think I'm the only one who hadn't heard anything about it!
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 05:09 PM
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21. TX for this. I love this part
and will wait to see the outcome:

~snip~
Democratic Party strategists are also targeting Norquist and his Wednesday Meeting of activists, the center of the K Street Project.

The DNC plans to videotape participants as they enter and exit Norquist's downtown Washington office building. DNC Communications Director Karen Finney said the idea was to call attention to the project and to the ties between conservative movement leaders and Abramoff.

"We want to hold Norquist and the K Street Project accountable as well as Abramoff," Finney said.

~snip~


I'll do what I can to promote the outcome all of these actions (write letters, pass it on to others, etc.) I think a lot of the talk about the Dems not fighting is the managed perception thanks to the MSM. It's really all just a charade, and the more we can promote our own in our grassroots way, the better, IMHO.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 05:11 PM
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24. It's hilarious! n/t
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 05:31 PM
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26. kick n/t
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 05:34 PM
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27. But..
.. will they decide to filibuster Alito?

If not, the rest is moot.

Sue
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 07:54 PM
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39. Hang tough and keep writing Dem Senators. I don't think
the Dems are going to post at DU what the plan is.

I think there may well be a filibuster. But I think they need to set it up and get their ducks in a row if they intend to pull it off.

No Dem Senator has so far said, "I will vote for cloture."
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 05:46 PM
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29. This is Good News.
I'll be watching Al Gore on C-SPAN live, NOON EST Monday (tommorrow) talking about all the corruption from the DAR.

And, I'm hopeful to see Wed., when our Dems will be holding those high-profile speeches. MURTHA will be on 60 MINUTES TONIGHT at 7:00 EST on NBC.
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Plausible Donating Member (386 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 05:56 PM
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30. CBS you mean :) n/t
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 06:00 PM
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32. Not all that interested in a bunch of speeches
I want to see action. hell they can speak until the cows come home, what I want to see is no votes for Alito across the board by every single Dem Senator.....
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 06:22 PM
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33. No votes alone won't do it..
.. Dems absolutely have to filibuster Alito!

Sue
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 06:38 PM
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34. That's what I mean and what !!!
absolutely, show me some actions, I am tired of words....
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 06:46 PM
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35. Knock Knock... Anybody Home?
Edited on Sun Jan-15-06 06:47 PM by radio4progressives
This post brushes right on over the NECESSARY FILIBUSTER .. in fact pooh poohs the idea that it's all that important compared to the election campaign that is getting "rolled" out on Wednesday. It actually suggests that the best way to prevent an Alito appointment to the SCOTUS - is by "winning elections".

This is right in the introuction:

The best way to stop Alito, and those of his ilk, are to win elections. And the Dems are not only well-positioned to do this, they're about to launch an frontal assault right at the beginning of the election cycle.

With this kind of introduction, why should I even bother reading the article it references in the context of the Alito appointment?



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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 08:02 PM
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40. Filibuster or no, this has to be done.
It has to be done to make sure that we're NEVER in this position again. It's a "chicken/egg" argument, essentially.
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mandomom Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 08:47 PM
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42. But the asses will vote for Alito, right?
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 09:43 PM
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43. Wow, it's only taken them, what, five years?
Sorry, I'll believe it when I see it.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 09:57 PM
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44. & where have you been?
Nice collection of LTTEs, I hope.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 10:37 PM
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45. Canada.
Edited on Sun Jan-15-06 10:39 PM by tuvor
And where there's been any hope of them mattering, yes, I've written letters to editors, as well as to my MP. Why would you assume differently?
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 02:09 AM
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47. And how long has Howard Dean headed up the DNC?
Knocks the five years down to one. What the Dems are doing looks timely to me.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 06:33 PM
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52. Sorry, not buying it. Dean is not the Dems.
They've had virtually no cohesion as a group for five years. So, yeah. It's about effing time.
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 11:24 PM
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53. Agreed, but...
their leadership was moribund (and overly corporate-licking) until Dean came along. Yes, the Dems should have had the sense to get a good leader earlier but perhaps there was a void, and nobody knew how to fill that void until Howard Dean came on the scene the way he did.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 11:50 PM
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54. Better late than never, I suppose.
Let's hope it's not too late.

Cheers!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:25 AM
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46. This is going to be great!
Yay! Fight back! And did I read the DNC is going to video tape it? Will they have it on their site? Are they just taping certain spots or the whole thing?
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 04:44 PM
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49. heads up kick!
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 05:30 PM
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51. kick
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