Please give me information as quickly as possible...

[lindac07]

What is the deal with giving illegal immigrants Social Security. I have a genuinely confused friend who wants to know whats up with that and to be very honest, I know little about it. Please give me some good information about this. Thanks.

[mzteris]

1. dont' know what you mean by

"giving illegal immigrants "social security"??

The truth of the matter is, they are propping up SS by the fact that their wages are "withheld" to pay INTO SS - but they are never able to withdraw from SS either through disability or retirement.

edit typo

[jarnocan]

2. I found this wow- interesting!

"The Social Security Administration. If not for the billions in payroll taxes that illegal immigrants are paying into the system, the funding crisis facing Social Security would be much more serious and much more imminent." http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050410/news_mz1e10ruben.html

[MsUnderstood]

3. ummm can you say disinformation?

What exactly is your friend talking about?

Cite some examples where ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS get Social Security. They can pay into it (using false SSNs to obtain jobs) but cannot claim it unless it is by government's inability to catch criminal activity.

[lindac07]

5. Sorry please read further

There apparently was a bill in the senate that was voted on that mostly democrats voted yes to give illegal immigrants social security. At least that's what she says. Does that clear things up?

[proud2BlibKansan]

7. That is a RW email than can be easily disputed

Start with Snopes

http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/socialsecurity.asp

[yewberry]

11. Link is bad

I think it's doubled.

(Yay, Snopes!)

[proud2BlibKansan]

16. Sorry bout that

http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/socialsecurity.asp

[LibinMo]

14. I found this-but I know nothing about the website

Scroll down nearly halfway:

http://www.socialsecuritychoice.org/


May 22, 2006
Congress votes to give Social Security benefits to Illegal Immigrants

Jonathan Swanson

In a 50-49 vote (1 abstaining) late last week, the United States Senate voted to table (kill) an amendment (SA 3985 Voting Records) by Senator Ensign (R-NV) that would prevent illegal aliens from collecting Social Security benefits on past illegal employment.

[mzteris]

19. that was *part* of the greater

"anti-immigration" bill........... that was killed because it is so totally egregious.

The SS amendment - sponsored by SANTORUM for starters - and it gets worse. That should tell you ALL you need to know about this.

[JDPriestly]

17. Sooner or later they will be able to collect what they put in.

There is no law providing that they can collect what they put in -- yet. But, in my view, it is inevitable that our government will yield to the pressure of the illegal immigrants and their country's to compensate them for the lost wages they put into our Social Security system. I think that it is foolish to believe otherwise.

[Maestro]

4. They are not eligible.

Your friend is wrong.

[proud2BlibKansan]

6. Only under very limited circumstances:

http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/ssa.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=102&p_created=955552395&p_sid=FW58Jnai&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MzEmcF9wcm9kcz0mcF9jYXRzPTAmcF9wdj0mcF9jdj0mcF9zZWFyY2hfdHlwZT1hbnN3ZXJzLnNlYXJjaF9ubCZwX3BhZ2U9MSZwX3NlYXJjaF90ZXh0PWltbWlncmFudHM*&p_li=&p_topview=1

[jarnocan]

8. wow altogether they contribute billions

even with bogus numbers- the money still goes into the system- kind of cool- funny we don't hear much about this.

[Vincardog]

10. The illegal immigrants in my town work for cash. They do not pay into

Social Security. They do not even drive themselves to work. You have to go pick them up. By the way they charge at least $7.00/Hr. Where are those jobs that Americans will not do?

[proud2BlibKansan]

18. The ones who are brought over the border in buses by employers

pay taxes and social security. Many of those employers freely break the law by bringing the workers here but they do abide by IRS rules.

[Vincardog]

20. Like those at IBP and Tyson?

[proud2BlibKansan]

21. Yep - they have literally populated towns in rural areas

There is a company here in my area that takes a bus down to Mexico once a year to pick up seasonal workers. They own an apartment building for them to live (they are allowed to bring their families) and they have built stores nearby.

It used to be a rural area of just fields. Now they have literally created a community.

And yes, this company takes taxes out of the workers' paychecks. But bringing the workers here is quite illegal.

[Minnesota Libra]

9. Some illegal aliens - from different countries do draw from.........

....the SSI or Supplemental Security Income which is apparently supposed to be for disabled Americans. Notice I am not mentioning any one country here because illegal aliens from around the world have and do draw from SSI.

[eleny]

15. You Are Mistaken - Here Are The Eligibility Requirements For Aliens

Understanding Supplemental Security Income
Spotlight on SSI Benefits for Aliens
2006 Edition

http://www.ssa.gov/notices/supplemental-security-income/spotlights/spot-non-citizens.htm

I see no circumstances where an illegal alien is eligible for SSI.

What is your source for your allegation? Who are the "Some illegal aliens" who receive the benefit?

[Minnesota Libra]

22. Official "Eligibility Requirements" and the real world are..........

.....two entirely different things.

You asked about two of my comments.... "What is your source for your allegation? Who are the "Some illegal aliens" who receive the benefit?"

A variety of media sources have periodically done investigative reports on how many illegal aliens manage to apply for and get SSI.

This is but one example, this same kind of thing happened in Colorado where I used to live.

http://www.acsblog.org/news-and-announcements-2719-monday-news-roundup.html

I know you'll find something wrong with this example, which is fine, I don't care one way or the other. One thing for sure though, what the "eligibility requirements" are on paper and what goes in in real life are two entirely different things. How do I know, I lived in Colorado before moving here and it's done there all the time.

Anyway, enough of this.

[eleny]

23. I live in Colorado and worked in social service programs for almost 30 yrs

I was also involved with the SSI program as part of my job both in NYC and Colorado. I'm well aware of the eligibility requirements and how a few people can get around them. Yes, it's actually very few who are able to cheat. In my vast experience, most people get caught and get caught fairly quickly given the checks on the programs.

If someone provided data of how an alien received a benefit as part of an investigative report, that doesn't tell me that illegal aliens are applying and receiving the benefits in shocking numbers. It illustrates that there are some holes in the program that need fixing. That can be a good thing for Congress to know so that better methods can be put in place. I will guess that the investigative reporter provided false identification showing that they were indeed documented aliens. And the local Social Security office that took the application(s) either did not or could not verify the accuracy of the documents at the time of application.

I worked in Quality Control at the state level. State and county eligibility workers are required to verify alien status for anyone who applies for social services programs. They accomplish this by a very quick matching system with federal data. If the local county offices all over the country can do this, then it's suspicious that the Social Security offices can't. I believe that this is a hole that can be fixed easily.

Btw, when you say "Anyway, enough of this." - do you mean that you aren't interested in new information? Are you only interested in information from the source you provided? I hope you're willing to explore this issue further. I think that when someone slips through the cracks - then the cracks need patching. I surely hope you don't want to see the SSI program go away. And I hope you don't dislike illegal aliens so much that you only like stories that feed a negative view. After all, illegal aliens help put food on your table at prices far less than they would be if I were working in the orchards and the fields.

[Minnesota Libra]

24. I will take your word for the fact that..........

....you lived in Colorado and worked for almost 30 years in social service programs.

As for your statement of........

"I'm well aware of the eligibility requirements and how a few people can get around them. Yes, it's actually very few who are able to cheat. In my vast experience, most people get caught and get caught fairly quickly given the checks on the programs."

I actually got a good chuckle out of that one. You no doubt worked and knew the paper end of the illegal alien/SSI/social services issue. I saw and knew the issue in actual practice and know for a fact that what is done on paper is not what happens in real life.

As for "....the cracks need patching..." that could happen easily by decreasing the number of illegal aliens in the country and we'd be saving a lot of money too.

I obviously won't be able to convince you that many people did/do slip through the holes accidental or accidental on purpose. At the same time you will definitely not be able to convince me the same does not happen because I've seen it in practice. So yes, I think we are wasting our time.:shrug:

[eleny]

25. You say that you "saw and knew the issue in actual practice"

I don't see where you mentioned this in your previous postings. So, this is new information. Please provide details of your personal experience.

Also, I can't find any investigative report data in the link you posted. There's some anecdotal information related by a woman named Mary K. Day-Petrano. She said "...I knew several Mexicans getting SSI disability benefits of $640 per month in California..." Perhaps you can give me the url to the investigation summary. I'm very interested in reading it.

Btw, I wouldn't make any assumptions about what I'll believe. I keep an open mind. New information is always important for me to explore. I don't consider it a waste of time.

[Cleita]

12. You know it's really so easy to go to the Social Security website

and get the correct information. Instead of believing everything some freeper tells you, go get the facts from the people who administer the program. It works for me.

On edit, here is the link: http://www.ssa.gov/

[lindac07]

13. Thanks for the information......

I knew I could count on you.