Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

$18 Billion "Marshall Plan" sputters to close with Iraq "still a shambles"

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU
 
DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 10:32 AM
Original message
$18 Billion "Marshall Plan" sputters to close with Iraq "still a shambles"
LAT: 'Marshall Plan' for Iraq Fades
Once the $18.6 billion for reconstruction is spent, the nation might have to rely on private investment. 'No pain, no gain,' a U.S. official says.

By Doug Smith and Borzou Daragahi, Times Staff Writers


BAGHDAD — After more than 2 1/2 years of sputtering reconstruction work, the United States' "Marshall Plan" to rebuild this war-torn country is drawing to a close this year with much of its promise unmet and no plans to extend its funding.

The $18.6 billion approved by Congress in 2003 will be spent by the end of this year, officials here say. Foreign governments have given only a fraction of the billions they pledged two years ago.

With the country still a shambles, U.S. officials are promoting a tough-love vision of reconstruction that puts the burden on the Iraqi people.

"The world is a competitive place," Tom Delare, economics counselor at the U.S. Embassy, said this month during a news briefing. "You have to convince the investor that it is worth his while to put his money in your community."...An embassy spokeswoman later said that the Bush administration was not abandoning the Iraqi reconstruction effort. But embassy and reconstruction officials outlined a program of private investment and fiscal belt-tightening by the new Iraqi government as the long-term solution to the country's woes, even if that causes short-term suffering for Iraq's people.

"No pain, no gain," Andy Wylegala, whose job at the embassy is to help Americans do business in Iraq, said at the same briefing. "It's a very difficult procedure to pass through. But when I look from my side, I see it as a long-term, very favorable development."...


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-aid15jan15,0,6541328,full.story?coll=la-home-headlines
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 10:37 AM
Response to Original message
1. Ah, Private Investment....
...in other words, after we bomb the shit out of the country, and then stall any rebuilding by basically throwing money at multinationals that import cheap labor to charge outrageous prices to NOT do what they are supposed to do...after all that, we then bail and tell them, "You want more, sell your fucking souls, or at the very least, your oil, at prices that will turn your nation into a servile-state to the mutlinationals"...

Wow, that's the "Marshall Plan"? That f'n sucks.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 10:42 AM
Response to Reply #1
3. An outrage! For the people of both Iraq and the U.S. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #1
9. I saw an article blaming the plummet in Oil Production on Saddam
and him letting the infrastructure crumble. That may be partially true, but bombing the shit out of Iraq and only letting KBR/Halliburton/US companies rebuild makes the whole pipeline system a target.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #9
10. It took the Iraqis 6 months to rebuild their country after Gulf War 1.
Three years later, Halliburton and Brechtel haven't been able to do the same thing. Way to go *!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 10:41 AM
Response to Original message
2. The Halliburton Plan is a success.
That is all that matters.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 10:43 AM
Response to Original message
4. Shameful.
"With the country still a shambles, U.S. officials are promoting a tough-love vision of reconstruction that puts the burden on the Iraqi people."

Like they don't have enough problems. What ever happened to the 'you break it, you fix it' philosophy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 10:45 AM
Response to Original message
5. We invade them for a lie, murder their people, blow up their cities
and then blame them for the ah...lack of progress and call it "touch love."

Damn but America's despicable.




Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 09:15 PM
Response to Reply #5
12. There was never any intent to "rebuild"
as that cannot occur while bombs are still going off. The American intent in Iraq is to DESTROY EVERYTHING. And THAT is proceeding according to PNAC plan.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
luvRPgrl Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 09:50 PM
Response to Reply #12
14. and how
exactly do you know there was never any intention to rebuild anything, and that the Bush admin. wants to destroy everything?

Seems to me alot of rebuilding has been going on, but with so much terrorist activity, it slows things down a lot. The high volume of terrorist activity is because instead of standing up and fighting when we went after Saddam, his guys just took cover. Its why we took over so easily. But now their strategy is to disrupt and prevent the Democratic process. We should be supporting the Democratic process over there.

Even if you hate Bush, you should still support anything that spreads democracy anywhere in the world. Does you hate run so deep as to give up that basic core value?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 08:51 AM
Response to Reply #14
15. What flavor koolaid was that again?
Just wondering... :shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 10:47 AM
Response to Original message
6. I read this article in LBN a few minutes ago.
Outrageous. I feel sick to my stomach.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 10:52 AM
Response to Original message
7. hearts and minds
we have neither.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 10:59 AM
Response to Original message
8. We destroyed their country & it's their fault if they don't rebuild it.
Typical Bushist logic.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 09:10 PM
Response to Original message
11. and the Marshall Plan applied to more than just one country...
Edited on Sun Jan-15-06 09:15 PM by Lisa
http://www.fpri.org/ww/0103.199801.sicherman.lessonsfromthemarshallplan.html

This article says the equivalent of $80 billion, over 4 years. And that was for a whole bunch of countries.


I would not be surprised if the US eventually ends up spending more on invading, occupying, and "reconstructing" Iraq than it spent on WWII!

Makes me wonder what would have happened if this lot had been in charge back then. They probably would have ended up keeping most of the war money for themselves -- Europe wouldn't even have been liberated, much less rebuilt. And instead of beating the Nazis and putting them on trial, they might have signed a treaty with them!

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 09:39 PM
Response to Reply #11
13. $9 Billion still missing?

"The terrorists want to control the oil. Our way of life will be at risk". George W. Bush (Nov. 2005)



Bush Regime Iraq Successes (Phase 1)

1. Saddam will no longer sell Iraqi oil via the Euro.

2, A military foothold in the ME. Other than Saudi Arabia.

3, No countries will be able to buy Iraqi oil that the U.S. disapproves of.

4. The Multi-Intl. Oil Corps are reaping great profits.

5.The Military Industrial Complex is a booming Industry.


Phase 2?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu May 02nd 2024, 11:35 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC