Why Republicans are "pro-life"

[Rocknrule]

They show us all the time that they don't give a shit about life. They want to kill everyone who doesn't look, think, and believe exactly as they do, they think war is the answer to all problems, and their definition of gun control is hitting your target. The only reason they oppose abortion is because they want to control women. It's as simple as that.

[MadMaddie]

1. You think? You are right...it is as simple as that...

[emal2me]

16. Pro Choice is Pro Life

That's the way it is

[OldLeftieLawyer]

18. Absolutely

I've railed for years at how us lefties have let the rightwingnuts own and coopt the language without wresting it away from them.

Languge is SO powerful, I don't think the women's right leaders had a clue about it. That's still disheartening to me.

[newyawker99]

25. Hi emal2me!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[OldLeftieLawyer]

2. They're hardly "pro-life"

They're just anti-choice.

Unless they get to make the choices.

[PWRinNY]

3. Exactly

Selfish, cowardly, control freaks. Scared of EVERYTHING.
Whiny as children, prone to throw tantrums.
Hateful. I don't think they even like themselves very much. And misery loves company, so the more they can drag down into their loathing the better they feel.
Guilty for being human and having wants or needs that are less than godly - obsessed with sex, but hating themselves for it. Christian wannabes.
Judgmental and holier-than-thou.
Wow I could go on all night.

[Breeze54]

4. Exactly!

I wish people would STOP using the term 'prolife'. It's such propaganda!
Everybody is pro-life! (mostly) excepting Dahmer!

Republicons are ANTI-choice!! :grr:

[Mr_Spock]

8. Pro-death is how I think of the selfish arrogant morons.

it's true.

[Jackpine Radical]

12. They are PRO LIFE, dammit. Life is sacred

(between conception & birth. After that, forget it.)

[OldLeftieLawyer]

17. And wait until some grownup fetus

gets a death sentence.

Boy, are they ever NOT pro-life at that point.

I wonder how they reconcile that kind of alternate universe inside their heads.

No, I really don't want to know.

[Jackpine Radical]

20. Well, first, I don't think the concept of "reconcile" exists for them.

Second, you gotta have cognitions before you can have cognitive dissonance.

And third, think there's something about the original sin business that begins at birth, so the fetuses (fetae?) are innocent until born. After that, they're little Plames ("fair game").

[OldLeftieLawyer]

22. Boy, are you right!

It's late here, I'm tired, and did I ever miss the obvious!

Feti, I think. Male noun. Fetii?

Yeah, kill them all if they misbehave. Spare the rod and spoil the fetus.

Good answer, and I thank you for it.

[Jackpine Radical]

23. 40 years ago I'd have probly gotten the masculine plural form right.

I could also have given you quite a dissertation on the technical differences between Rokeach's & Festinger's notions of cognitive dissonance. But I'd have gotten all kinds of other stuff wrong.

[Tony_FLADEM]

5. Actually that's not the reason

Republicans oppose abortion because it's easy to oppose abortion. Opposing abortion allows them to take a moral position on something without having to do or give up anything. It allows them to avoid having to take a moral position on other issues such as poverty or the environment. The vanity of being "pro life" is more important to them than actually preventing abortions.

[Breeze54]

6. There are republicans who

are pro-choice.
The neo-cons are the one's against it.
CR.

http://www.gopchoice.org/about_us.asp
"We support the protection of Roe v. Wade"

http://www.republicansforchoice.com/
"You must look past the Party Label if you care about electing pro-choice officials!"

I just did a google and found the above but there are a lot more.

[adriennui]

7. the neo-cons tend to be pro-choice

now the religious nutjobs are a different story.

[Breeze54]

10. I disagree.

The neo-cons are the fundies!

"Neo-conservative values of raping rape victims a second time by denying them choice,
or neo-conservatives promoting incest by mandating parental approval in every case.
A delightful bunch, those neo-cons."

[adriennui]

26. paul wolfowitz and richard perle are hardly fundies

they're secular jews and socially libertarian.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

11. I Can Much More Readily Agree With That.

Though many probably do feel in their hearts that abortion is truly wrong, I agree that it is also a very easy position for them to take that gives them a quick win in false moral superiority.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

9. I Find That Ridiculous.

I always have. The overwhelming majority of all people I know who are anti-abortion hold that position because they consider the fetus to be life and don't think it should be so easy to throw away. Not once have I EVER personally heard someone I know on the anti-abortion side say something that gave credence to them simply wanting to control women.

I think characterizing it as such simply cheapens the whole abortion debate.

[noamnety]

13. The overwhelming majority of anti-abortionists

hold very different views when MEN are forced to use their bodies to support someone else's life. See my previous post on this matter, What if Anti-Abortion Activists weren't Sexist? http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x984039

Make no mistake, this is misogyny at its finest.

[Breeze54]

15. Well said!! TY!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Men forget about Birth Control and The Morning After pill, etc. and all the pharmacies
breaking the law and denying women their rights!

They are anti-choice control freaks alright!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

19. OK but then you question them about war and the death penalty

and they triangulate on the subject, so I find the "life begins at conception and ends at birth" argument to be specious at best.

Frankly, most people who are ANTI ABORTION in all circumstances are nothing but fanatics about the subject. They cheapen the debate by their lack of consistency in respecting all life.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

27. The overwhelming majority of anti-abortionists I know...

would be perfectly fine getting their daughters or girlfriends abortions if they needed one.

The characterization is dead on.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

31. What You Write Lines Up More With Reply # 5 Then The OP.

I agreed far more with reply #5 as well.

But I don't see how being hypocrites about their stance means that it is then dead on that all they want to do is control women. That's why I find that sentiment to be ridiculous. It is such an unrelated deduction.

I do, however, see how the hypocrisy could be a result of false moral stance for sake of fooling oneself but when push comes to shove easily being able to throw away said morals for sake of convenience or hardship.

I also think it was quite narrow minded to reference anti-abortionists in your post as being of male gender only. Especially in light of the fact that poll after poll usually has more women being against abortion then men.

[LastDemocratInSC]

14. Control of sexual behavior is the surrender of individuality

There is no behavior more personal than one's sexual behavior. The surrender of control over sexual behavior is the "Appamatox of the individual". It is the essential step in the complete control of one person by another person or group of persons (church, government, whatever).

When a person cedes control of sexual behavior he/she has ceded his/her last shred of individuality.

[Iniquitous Bunny]

21. They want government out of our lives. *

*except for a woman's reproductive organs and corporate bail-outs

After all, it's all about "life" and "the market". :eyes:

[BlooInBloo]

24. "pro-life" (in their mouth) = "anti-woman" (in everyone else's mouth)

It's just as simple as that.


EDIT: Most idiotic typo ever in subject corrected.

[Sailor for Warner]

28. Or it could be a position taken out of religious conviction

Anyone, Anyone? What about those pro-life women, do they want to control themselves? Or are they, what is the word some people like to use when someone has opinions that the "shouldn't".. oh yeah "self loathing".

Sometimes people are just feverently religious...

[porphyrian]

29. Well, they want to control everyone, not just women.

Sometimes women are just easier for them to victimize.

[Sailor for Warner]

30. Pro Life Dems?

Ive known a few in my day, what about them, they want to control women too? Like old school Catholic Dems and the like.