Why are many republicans Disenchanted? They OWN the Fucking Government.

[Philosoraptor]

I hear a LOT of republicans these days complaining that they are disappointed with W, and some whine that homosexuals and Muslims haven't all been vaporized yet.

What the fuck do they have to complain about? They have it all, what the hell do they want?

[mmonk]

1. They are taught to be

the way they are. They take their marching orders from their outspoken propagandists. There's always a crisis somehow that is started by the "treasonous liberal democrat party". Their sold their soul to the devil media repeats the crisis of the moment and they constantly rally behind the generated hatred. They are sad. America has a virtual rightwing dictatorship, but because there are so many "enemies" they cannot rest their ignorant minds.

[mephie00]

23. Good point.

They do tend to be in a perpetual state of finding something to bitch about... anything to bitch about. Such as the rather recent huff over how Tom DeLay actually has to follow the law. Or their marriage ammendment didn't pass despite the fact that polls indicated people were opposed to changing the constitution. I suppose it would have to be a trained reaction to consider it partisan for a conservative house leader to expected to obey the law or to act outraged and surprised that you ammendent that you knew wasn't going to get passed wasn't passed.

[ScreamingMeemie]

2. To rewrite history...to see Clinton hanging from a tree...FDR and all his

social reforms flushed down the toilet...JFK never getting elected...I could go on...

[zanne]

11. They want retribution.

Winning isn't enough; they have to make their opponents suffer. ( I could cite Gitmo, but it's more widespread than that).

[TheCowsCameHome]

3. They hate us and they hate America. They hate everything, including

themselves.

They are the party of hate. Period.

[Minnesota Libra]

4. They want nothing less that a complete and total control of...............

...all government and a discontinuance of all rights except for the "Born Again Christian" crowd. I truly believe most neocon/fundie types would laugh their butts off, and declare a federal holiday, if every Liberal in the country was either imprisoned or killed. They are just that evil.

[DoYouEverWonder]

5. Even Hitler

knew how to have a good time.

These folks are the most sullen, paranoid, hateful lunatics in US history.

[mdmc]

6. people want two things from the government

1- they want the government to be on their side.
2- they want the government to function / work properly.

the right is pissed cause they own it all, and it isn't working and it isn't on their side.

[tanyev]

7. It's like a person who buys a car, promptly wrecks it because they

were driving so carelessly, and then tries to take it back to the dealership because it's a piece of junk.

[htuttle]

8. More like someone who steals a car....

...then sells off all the parts they think they don't need, like seatbelts and brakes (who needs to stop -- we're going forward!), gets in a crash after driving it recklessly, then blames the whole thing on the previous, rightful owner of the car:

"It's all Clinton's fault!"

[cali]

9. Geez, what's with the addiction to hyperbole?

Of course, you weren't really asking a question, but here are some actual answers anyway.

Some repubs are unhappy because they haven't seen their social agenda pushed through.
Others are upset because of spending.
Still others are disillusioned by the lies of the admin re Iraq.

Yes, the repub party has its share of hard right bigots and creeps, but most people who identify as repubs don't want to see gays and immigrants and Muslims "vaporized". Freeperville represents a minority.

[Philosoraptor]

10. Thanks again for responding to my ridiculous threads.

I've heard many of them say that he's not giving them what they voted for. The GOP uses it's base like fattened cattle, they promise a lot but really don't want to bother with actually doing it.

[Flubadubya]

12. For all their bluffing and blowhard bravado...

things just don't seem to be going their way... nothing like the disappointment of high expectations dashed.

They have believed all along that they would see all their conservative dreams come true if they just had power. Well, now they have the power but not the dream.

Tough luck Thugs... you might need to reasses the validity of your political beliefs and tenets. Nothing like a good dose of the TRUTH and disillusionment to set your path straight! You're getting what you deserve, that's all. :spank:

[still_one]

13. I have heard that also, but have my doubts

this administration has made so many screw ups, that their dissatisfaction might only be due to that, NOT to the philosophy

I do not see them have a problem with a marriage or flag burning ammendment. I would venture that most repukes support the war in Iraq. I think what you see is a lot of independents and so-called "reagan democrats" changing their views, NOT the repukes

[Biernuts]

14. Not as long as 41 Senators can stop almost anything

They don't own shit that they can't get at least 5 Dems to agree to support....
Granted there are exceptions - Like AUMF & Appropriations - but Authorizations bills & nominations CAN be stopped cold.

[Toots]

18. What exactly have 41 Senators stopped in the last five years?

Tax cuts for the wealthy, bankruptcy reform, War on Iraq, The corruption in Government... What exactly are you referring to?

[sweetheart]

15. Family democracy

Consider a family of 6, 4 children under age 10, and 2 adults.
The family decides to try out democracy. In an election, the
kids elect themselves masters of the household. Then there is
free candy for everyone, nobody gets scolded for anything,
and the adults have to pay for everything.

After a while, the kids become disenchanted with their rotting
teeth, their degenerate condition and their inability to mature.
The problem really, is that kids don't belong in charge of the
house, and they want the adults to take over... and for all
the bravado, young children are not able to self-govern.

Its all fine and dandy for kids to oppose tyrranny of parental
meritocracy, to challenge it, as that is how meritocracy helps
children develop to enter society as mature adults themselves,
but this cheekey challenge is all within an accepted framework
that recognizes that the adults *should* be in charge.

Plato said it, and i'm saying it here, democracy is a failure.

[Philosoraptor]

16. Ditto.

And I remember how they wanted "the adults back in charge" after that awful Clinton.

[Toots]

17. They live on hatred and absolutely have to have something or someone to ha

They will turn on themselves once their so called enemies are dealt with. It is how they were taught. The American way you know...Family Values....

[Asgaya Dihi]

19. They aren't a monolith

They are less a party of varied interests than the Dem's are but they still have their factions. The business type won't always agree with the social conservatives and the social libertarians aren't happy with either the core repubs or the business libertarians. The more the business side gets the more the social conservatives feel ignored, they think their votes put the repubs in office and they are owed. Pay attention to them and the business side feels left out, they financed things. Nobody pays much attention to the social libertarians, if there's a swing voter we might reach that's the group. That was the one of first groups to start to distrust what's happening, and so far the most ignored. This isn't an administration big on personal freedoms.

[Arkham House]

20. Because an opposition still exists

They will never be happy until this country is a one-party state. That day has not yet been reached, though they have and are trying to make it happen *de facto*, with control of the media, attacks on non-MSM news sources, and vote fraud. Whatever the internal differences among GOP factions, the fascist wing drives the Right, and they have had absolute control of this country since 2000...and yet, the Dems still exist, and can still function as a more-or-less opposition party, and they can't stand it.

[mephie00]

21. I think what they reall want...

Is to also be able to have an approval rating that's at least a 3rd of the nation. What good is an administration if they can't even get a decent approval rating from registered republican voters?

[newportdadde]

22. Because their side doesn't listen to them either, they are all corp owned.

Lets take a conservative, no not a neo-con, not a fundie anti-abortion zealot but a real conservative. That person voted for lower taxes, a strong military(Iraq victory), a strong home defense and a leaner government. That is the theory at least they are operating off of. They didn't vote for handing sacks of cash to corporations hand over fist.

Look at what they got:
1) Tax cuts sure, but that is eaten up with property tax increase, gas price etc 10 fold.
2) Military ? - Can't seem to get the job done in Iraq, Iraq war leadership stinks. Stalemate.
3) Strong home defense - Katrina disaster, its pretty obvious we can't respond to any disaster at this point with much sucess.
4) Leaner government... Lmao look at the fiscal waste and pork, this Republican controlled congress can't give away tax payer money fast enough..
5) A stock market that is flat at best and down 30% if you take into account the fall of the dollar since Bush has been in control.

Maybe now they know better guess we will find out this fall.

[porphyrian]

24. Those in power lied to them, too, and they're having a hard time...

...not feeling like the suckers they are. It sucks finding out you aren't represented in DC, doesn't it assholes?

[AlGore-08.com]

25. The serious answer, as others have said, is that many believed Bush

was "one of them" - - that he was truly a social conservative, or truly a christian, or truly an economic conservative, or truly a libertarian. They voted for him thinking that he was committed to their agenda, and would work tirelessly to enact it. Instead, they have discovered he isn't really "one of them" - - he has no real convictions of his own. He's an opportunist who has used their idealism to reach the White House.

One example - - he ran in 2000 as an ethical reformer, who was going to clean up Washington. Instead, Washington is even more corrupt than it was in the 1990s and he doesn't even pretend to want to clean it up.

IMNSHO, the GOP rank and file's experience with Smirk is actually a very important lesson for us, if we will open our minds to learning from them. A lot of folks in the GOP's base were won over by spin and PR. They would have been better served by examining Smirk's record and platform and saying, "Hey, wait a minute... this guy isn't one of us."

[Philosoraptor]

26. He isn't one of them, and they are shocked I guess.

How could they have EVER concluded that this jerk was just one of them?

[deutsey]

27. Because they envision a perfect ideal world that can never become real

No matter how often they "win" and how successful they are in marginalizing or eliminating those who allegedly pose threats to them, messy reality will always disrupt their idealized world-to-come.

[smokey nj]

28. It's not easy to come to terms with the fact that one has.......

put their faith in a failed ideology.