Did anyone hear the #'s on McLaughlin today of Iraq war victims?

[I_Make_Mistakes]

I was shocked. I wrote it down really fast and I know there is one item missing, but here they are:

US personnel - Injured, amputeed, x, mentally ill from the Iraq war to date : 58,950
Iraqi civilians killed : 126,990

The source was from John Hopkins

I haven't been keeping up with the #'s (KIA, yes), but when did the casualties of US personnel get anywhere close to this number?

[BrklynLiberal]

1. The media do not publicize it. The sheeple need to be protected from such

horrors....like the flag-draped coffins and such.

[I_Make_Mistakes]

2. I know they down play the #'s, but the last injured I saw was

around 16,000. How do you downplay approx. 43,000?

[BrklynLiberal]

4. They probably did not include all types of injuries. Perhaps they left

out the emotional problems, post-traumatic shock stuff, etc.

[Bluethru_and_thru]

5. Bring'em home

There are some indications that we may be making some headway on bringing the boys home soon!

[proud2BlibKansan]

6. I sure hope you are right

Welcome to DU :hi:

[newyawker99]

14. Hi Bluethru_and_thru!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[faithnotgreed]

3. this needs to stay on the front page

[Bluethru_and_thru]

7. Bring'em home

General Casey said in a September 2005 Hearing, “the perception of occupation in Iraq is a major driving force behind the insurgency.” General Abizaid said on the same date, “Reducing the size and visibility of the coalition forces in Iraq is a part of our counterinsurgency strategy.”

So lets get on with it then for crying out loud!

[countryjake]

8. What they say and what they're doing don't often jibe.

More US Troops Arrive in Iraq Tuesday 30 May 2006
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/053006T.shtml

[I_Make_Mistakes]

9. I actually have to correct that they did not give the source for

the category, get this "US injured, amputeed, wounded, mentally ill", I went back to watch in case I tape over. They had estimated. Ok, what is the difference between injured, wounded and amputeed? Is that the weirdest classification list you have seen?

The Iraqi civilian # was from John Hopkins, 9/04 using an est.

This is their web site, but the transcripts won't be on for a couple of days

http://www.mclaughlin.com

[countryjake]

12. The mentally ill classification is probably the one that's off.

I've heard that some are being discouraged from admitting any problems, showing "weaknesses" and such, so we'll never know unless they snap, if ever, and troubles of that sort are subtle life-destroyers.

Maybe they mean something like severely injured, wounds that heal, and permanently disabled. Pretty hard thing to qualify, actually.

[Justice Is Comin]

10. He's way off on the number of mentally ill...

it's over 300,000 in all the war theaters of the Middle East.

[BlueIris]

11. K & R. nt

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

13. Re Iraq civilians..the admin has been using the number 30,000+ BUT

In October 2004, the Guardian had published this special report-


http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1338749,00.html
100,000 Iraqi civilians dead, says study

Sarah Boseley, health editor
Friday October 29, 2004
The Guardian

About 100,000 Iraqi civilians - half of them women and children - have died in Iraq since the invasion, mostly as a result of airstrikes by coalition forces, according to the first reliable study of the death toll from Iraqi and US public health experts.

The study, which was carried out in 33 randomly-chosen neighbourhoods of Iraq representative of the entire population, shows that violence is now the leading cause of death in Iraq. Before the invasion, most people died of heart attacks, stroke and chronic illness. The risk of a violent death is now 58 times higher than it was before the invasion.

Last night the Lancet medical journal fast-tracked the survey to publication on its website after rapid, but extensive peer review and editing because, said Lancet editor Richard Horton, "of its importance to the evolving security situation in Iraq". But the findings raised important questions also for the governments of the United Sates and Britain who, said Dr Horton in a commentary, "must have considered the likely effects of their actions for civilians".

continued at above link

[Roland99]

15. Well, that Lancet study included many other deaths that have tenuous ties

to the invasion itself.


Going off the Iraq Body County site, there are about 40,000 confirmed dead.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

17. At one point, the administration gave orders Not to cover the Iraq body

count. I remember that distinctly and it was published in MSM publications.

I believe Tommy Franks stated "We do not count bodies" or something to that affect.

[arcane1]

21. "We don't do body counts"

from May 2003


The world will never know how many Iraqis died in the war to oust Saddam Hussein, in part because the United States adamantly refuses to estimate the number of people it kills in combat and because gathering accurate numbers is all but impossible after the Iraqi government's chaotic collapse.

What Bush administration officials do say is that the U.S. operation in Iraq included unprecedented efforts to minimize civilian casualties. That humanitarian stance has increased pressure on the Pentagon to abandon its long- held refusal to publicly offer numbers of civilians or enemy military personnel killed, as a way of showing if the use of precision-guided bombs and missiles and rules designed to avoid civilian targets have reduced so-called collateral damage.

"We don't do body counts," Gen. Tommy Franks, who directed the Iraq invasion, has said.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/05/03/MN98747.DTL

[oasis]

16. The numbers the McLaughlin Group uses have always been much higher than

those given out by the White House.

[NNN0LHI]

18. Bush admitted to killing 30,000 Iraqi people last year and our media yawned

Whats that tell you?

Don

[RobertSeattle]

19. Doesn't the McLaughlin Group almost seem quant now?

5 pundits, sitting around a table, more or less NOT slinging mud?

I have noticed McLaughlin has really been after BushCo in the past 6 months.

[MichiganVote]

20. Agree and altho' I don't always agree w/panelists

at least they part friendly from show to show. I won't watch all that other stuff. Sick of it.

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