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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 11:06 AM
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The Underground History of American Education
Edited on Sat Jun-10-06 11:08 AM by shance
The real makers of modern schooling weren't at all who we think.

Not Cotton Mather
or Horace Mann
or John Dewey.


The real makers of modern schooling were leaders of the new American industrialist class, men like:

Andrew Carnegie, the steel baron...
John D. Rockefeller, the duke of oil...
Henry Ford, master of the assembly line which compounded steel and oil into a vehicular dynasty...
and J.P. Morgan, the king of capitalist finance...



Men like these, and the brilliant efficiency expert Frederick W. Taylor, who inspired the entire "social efficiency" movement of the early twentieth century, along with providing the new Soviet Union its operating philosophy and doing the same job for Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany; men who dreamed bigger dreams than any had dreamed since Napoleon or Charlemagne, these were the makers of modern schooling


"The new mass schooling which came about slowly but continuously after 1890, had a different purpose, a "fourth" purpose.
THE
FOURTH
PURPOSE

The fourth purpose steadily squeezed the traditional three to the margins of schooling; in the fourth purpose, school in America became like school in Germany, a servant of corporate and political management.

(snip)

The secret of commerce, that kids drive purchases, meant that schools had to become psychological laboratories where training in consumerism was the central pursuit.


The Business of Schooling


Since bored people are the best consumers, school had to be a boring place, and since childish people are the easiest customers to convince, the manufacture of childishness, extended into adulthood, had to be the first priority of factory schools. Naturally, teachers and administrators weren't let in on this plan; they didn't need to be. If they didn't conform to instructions passed down from increasingly centralized school offices, they didn't last long.

The prize was of inestimable value--control of the minds of the young.


After 1900 the new mass schooling arenas slowly became impersonal places where children were viewed as HUMAN RESOURCES. Whenever you hear this term, you are certain to be in the presence of employees of the fourth purpose, however unwitting. Human resource children are to be molded and shaped for something called "The Workplace," even though for most of American history American children were reared to expect to create their own workplaces.

In the new workplace, most Americans were slated to work for large corporations or large government agencies, if they worked at all.

(snip)

Earlier Americans like Madison and Jefferson were well aware of this paradox, which our own time has forgotten. And if that is so, mutilation in the interests of later social efficiency has to be one of the biggest tasks assigned to forced schooling

(snip)


"As you'll learn when you read The Underground History of American Education the new purpose of schoolingto serve business and governmentcould only be achieved efficiently by isolating children from the real world, with adults who themselves were isolated from the real world, and everyone in the confinement isolated from one another.
Only then could the necessary training in boredom and bewilderment begin. Such training is necessary to produce dependable consumers and dependent citizens who would always look for a teacher to tell them what to do in later life, even if that teacher was an ad man or television anchor.
The rationale, history, and dynamics of Fourth Purpose school procedure are carefully examined in The Underground History of American Education."


http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/index.htm
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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 11:12 AM
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1. Fascinating
I've been thinking about this lately, since reading Zinn last summer, and because many of my friends are becoming teachers.

If I have kids, I'm unschooling them. Fuck it.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 03:14 PM
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4. I understand where you're coming from.
It's so amazing to wake up to the fact we've been lied to, to the degree that we have.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 11:13 AM
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2. Jobs "what do you do?"
Economic specialization erodes the ability of a citizen to dissent, as once they
are specialized, they can be blacklisted in their profession if the corporate
world so tries. The doctor must know more than you do about your body,
and the car mechanic knows more than you do about your car, and the
president knows more than you do about governance. We are sold in school
to trust the specialization myth as an improvement in the meta-narrative
of ongoing social progress and how we are superior today than we were years
ago. Yes, all brainwashing, all lies. heck, look at the committees and
subcommittees in congress and every single on of them is about manufacturing
consumer/workers and war making. The government has long been the cynical
tool of industrial repression, flag-dressed in important hubris of official
lies.

Lies lies lies. Everything anyone is paid to tell you is a lie. Unwind
all the lies and what remains?
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 03:14 PM
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3. Everything anyone is paid to tell you is a lie.
Brilliant. Thanks for posting.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 07:09 PM
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8. Specialization Is Turning Us Into the Soviet Republic Mach II
The deciders spent 40 years decrying communism, but they liked the productivity of the machine.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 07:26 PM
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9. Exactly. Our education system teaches us to follow, not critically think.
Edited on Sun Jun-11-06 07:36 PM by shance
As you can see from its long-standing fascist/corporate origins (Ford, Morgan, etc.) we have been taught not to question and blindly recite, accept and follow instructions.

A good movie that addresses how we lose our creative, authentic self through learning conform in the "proper" and classist world of education, is the fictional but wonderful film, Dead Poet's Society.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 02:11 PM
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21. Interesting.
I was taught in my education classes to put primacy on critical thinking and synthesis to the detriment of anything resembling rote learning.

Of course, that was before NCLB, so the pendulum is swinging back, but there always have been great teachers who encourage their students to think critically and analyze everything. Those teachers fight an uphill battle every single day, as critical thinking is harder to objectively grade (essays v. multiple choice tests) and then defend to an angry parent.
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 08:58 PM
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14. You're hilarious
How long did it take you to write that routine?
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 06:02 PM
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5. Kick
n/t
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 07:00 PM
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6. Good stuff there
Though I'm annoyed that now I have another book to add to my reading list.

:hi:
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 03:52 PM
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7. Thanks ML* Didn't mean to annoy you anymore than we already are.
Thanks for posting.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 07:38 PM
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10. That guy's a bit of a loon, imho.
I'm the product of a public education, and you probably couldn't find a person more poorly equipped to function in a factory/consume mass produced crap. Ditto my sister, father, husband, children... all the product of public schools.

I know what he's getting at -- but I just don't see that it holds water. I knew who you were talking about from the first line.

My homeschooling friends loooove this fellow. However, their kids refused to be homeschooled after fifth grade and are now happy public school students.

The public schools are, as far as I'm concerned, one of the BEST things about this country. Not perfect, but better than almost any alternative.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 08:49 PM
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11. I couldn't agree more about public schools being one of the best things
about our country. However, look at what is being done to our schools by those who have the most money to make them great places for education? They are yanking up the educational ladder as fast as they can to keep people from being empowered and more fulfilled in their lives.

Is their any greater form of evil and selfishness?

I don't think so.

Education is being privatized, sold to the most affluent who can afford it, and children are not being allowed the education they deserve.

If everyone is educated in whatever areas they want to excel in, then everyone stands to gain - it's a win-win for everyone. There is a better chance of fulfillment and happiness in communities as a whole and the majority will undoubtedly be more useful and productive and motivated in society if they are allowed and supported to become who they are meant to become.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 09:06 AM
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19. I agree.
Conservatives are trying to dismantle public education, and I can't help but feel that people like Gatto are helping out.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 08:12 AM
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16. You Should Read His "Against School" Essay in Harpers
Edited on Mon Jun-12-06 08:15 AM by Crisco
I'm the product of a public education, and you probably couldn't find a person more poorly equipped to function in a factory/consume mass produced crap.

Gatto's contention is that public education, as it is, serves the purpose of weeding out those who won't serve the purpose of the state, and elevating those who will make good shepherds of them that will.

I spent 7 years in a Catholic School, 6 in public. The public was, by far, a better experience from a learning standpoint, but only because of a very small handful of teachers who saw it was boredom, not stupidity, holding me back, and because I was no longer having my mind messed around with (indoctrination).
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 09:05 AM
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18. I did read it.
I love Harpers.

That small handful of teachers you speak of exists in every school I've ever been in. I taught in the crappiest, most underfunded elementary school ever -- and there were some pretty bad teachers there, but there were also **WONDERFUL** teachers. Brilliant, compassionate people who dedicated their lives to teaching these poor kids for hardly any money at all.

It's not so simple that public education "weeds out those that don't serve the purpose of the state" because schools are not monolithic blocks of authoritarianism. Public schools are rife with subversion, rebellion, conflict, and independent thinking. Even when dictums come down from the state board of education, there are teachers who quietly ignore them and continue to do what they think is best. I have two sons in the same school, and they couldn't be getting a more different education, because the teachers are very different. One class does stuff like make maple syrup from the school trees, then write stories about it. The other class has ditched the district's new math curriculum and is doing an older curriculum, which my son enjoys and which I think is terrific. Of course, in other years, I've had to supplement my kids' education at home. But that's because every teacher is different, and is a HUMAN being.

Gatto seems to think that somehow the State has managed to install automatons into the public schools.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 08:50 PM
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12. this again?
:eyes:
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 08:54 PM
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13. We didn't mean to upset you Ullyses. Were you looking for Mein Kampf?
Please.

If you don't wish to offer anything positive, or factual, then please don't post cynical, unecessary posts.



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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 09:09 PM
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15. not sure I get the Mein Kampf reference
Something positive? I'm the product of public schools and my ability to think critically works just fine, thanks. I teach in a public school and I wish you knew how much time I put into trying to get my kids to think for themselves.

There. That's positive. I'm also thinking critically when I say that I think Gatto has a screw loose.
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 08:49 AM
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17. There's got to be something I can say concerning
your response that any single individual case can not be extrapolated to be representative. A larger sampling size than yourself is usually needed.

Public education does teach children to lay down to Authority (authority figures usually call it respect). And the entire set up of Government with it's lavish Marble buildings, honorific titles and the security and standoffishness makes most (not all) Americans bow down in suppication to their masters and betters.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 01:51 PM
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20. Great points Geenie.
There are some positives to the education system, however in my opinion, not necessarily the white male domineering aspect. To have our history told by the robber barons is just not the most accurate perspective. Certainly rather biased and narrow in its scope wouldn't you say?

The patriarchal aspect is kind of a dream made in heaven for those privileged males addicted to the power of dominating, controlling others and their futures, not to mention rendering females expendable, or at the least, certainly secondary.
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 02:48 PM
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24. As I've mellowed
(or aged) I've come to see the Public Education system as a way of enculturating generation after generation into being productive members of society (pawns for working in factories or farms) or replaceable parts for the military.

Meanwhile, the Aristocracy grooms their children to run industry and government, most often hand in hand.

The "lesser citizens" have always been useable to expand markets and production here at home or by opening up foreign markets.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 06:50 PM
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29. of course it can't.
that any single individual case can not be extrapolated to be representative.

It wasn't meant to be. I'm not the one making claims about "schools in America".
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CanSocDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 02:22 PM
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22. My sympathies, but...


"...I wish you knew how much time I put into trying to get my kids to think for themselves."

I'll bet they're too worried that everything coming out of your mouth is going to be on the exam.}(
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 06:53 PM
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30. I doubt it.
I'll bet they're too worried that everything coming out of your mouth is going to be on the exam.

My kids have a great many concerns, but I doubt that the fear of my exact words being on the final is one of them.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 02:36 PM
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23. Cool, whacky home schooling screeds for lefties.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 03:05 PM
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25. After being held hostage by you righties, I'm all for something better
and something actually accurate and honest, whatever that looks like.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 03:11 PM
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26. chuckle
Yeah what a right winger I am defending pulic schools.

I don't have a problem with home schooling but that "call to arms" reads like Chick's Tracts just with a different political flavor.

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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:14 PM
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27. *yawn*
n/t
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:22 PM
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28. Oh, I love John Taylor Gatto
So nice to see someone posting about his work. Just in case people don't know, Mr. Gatto was the NY city teacher of the year when he gave this speech:

http://www.home-ed.vic.edu.au/2002/02/26/john-gatto-teacher-of-the-year-acceptance-speech/
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 07:06 PM
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31. I didn't know he was NYC teacher of the year. Very cool!
Thanks Qanda for sharing this information.
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