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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 02:55 PM
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WHO CARES ABOUT DISCRIMINATION? OIC, only certain groups have rights...
On May 20, 2006, the president of the National Alliance on Mental Illness warned Congress that President Bush's proposed $9 million cut in the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) budget will erode progress in finding new treatments for schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and major depression -- condemning millions of Americans to chronic disability. Dr. Suzanne Vogel-Scibilia, NAMI board president, a practicing psychiatrist, and a person living with bipolar disorder, told a Senate appropriations subcommittee that she herself has had periods of severe illness, including catatonic episodes and three suicide attempts. http://www.schizophrenia.com/sznews/archives/003407.html

Many claim, Leonardo da Vinci, Jimi Hendrix, Vincent van Gogh and Thomas Edison were in this group of social untouchables, so it appears we have an ability to contribute to society in some way, if given a chance. I know for sure Hendrix and van Gogh were in the group, because they took their own lives.

More often than anyone knows, it is being marginalized and openly discriminated against, not a mental condition that brings people in this group to suicide.

Years ago, as I was attepting to talk a fellow bipolar off the ledge of suicide, he asked me; Why did God create bipolar condition and shackle us with it's many horrors. All I could answer was, "I guess it's so that people would have electric lights," but many with mental conditions live in cardboard boxes and don't have electric light, unless street lights count. We are not discriminated against, when it comes to handing out punishment in court, though and many of us have police records.

How many people have a mental disability and what are their conditions and symptoms?

In a Survey of Income and Program Participation (SIPP) people who answered that they have specific mental conditions and symptoms were classified as having a mental disability. In 1997, 14.3 million people age 15 and over (6.9%) had a mental disability. An estimated 3.9 million people had only a mental disability, 727,000 people had both mental and communication disabilities, 5.3 million people had both mental and physical disabilities, and 4.3 million people had mental, physical, and communication disabilities.

Furthermore, 8.1 million people (3.9% of the population) reported one or more mental conditions (learning disability; mental retardation; Alzheimer’s, senility, or dementia; and other mental/emotional condition). Another 6.9 million (3.3%) reported one or more mental symptoms that seriously interfered with their ability to manage day-to-day activities (frequently anxious or depressed; trouble coping with stress; trouble concentrating; trouble getting along with others). Finally, 4.6 million (2.2%) reported difficulty keeping track of money and bills.


We don't want your sympathy. All we ask is equality in society and the work place. We don't want to be discriminated against because we've had three different jobs every year for the past ten years. And the next time you hand that crazy old man on the corner a dollar for his 100 proof bottle of self-medication, please try not to tell him to cheer up. He can't simply decide to change his mind, if he is depressed. If he could change his mind he'd change it to normal.

Vincent van Gogh once said, "An artist needn't be a clergyman or a churchwarden, but he certainly must have a warm heart for his fellow men." Van Gogh might be better known for his bloody ear than his warm heart, but you gotta love the sentiment.

Vincent van Gogh spent much of his life in and out of hospitals, until his brother finally convinced him to enter an asylum. The treatment rendered him soggy, but not appreciably more sane. The asylum allowed him to paint, and within its walls he created perhaps his most powerful work, "Starry Night." He once wrote to his brother, "I often think that the night is more alive and more richly colored than the day," a sentiment amply reflected in his most famous work.

Unfortunately for his art, he tried eat his paints in an apparent suicide attempt, which was the end of his painting privileges for a while. The pattern of recovery and relapse continued for almost two years, in and out of the asylum, and eventually in Paris, where he traveled to stay with his brother. Painting at every opportunity he didn't feel compelled to poison himself, van Gogh continued to struggle with bouts of paranoia and delusions, with a continuing impact on his physical health.

On July 27, 1890, van Gogh finally figured out that a tube of oil paints wasn't going to do the trick. While out painting in a wheat field, he shot himself in the chest with a revolver. Once again, he failed to do himself in, and he managed to walk home to the inn where he had been staying, before collapsing into bed without telling anyone what had happened. When the innkeeper found him in a pool of his own blood, he called a doctor and van Gogh's brother, Theo.

The bullet was too close to his heart to be removed, and van Gogh suffered another seizure. With his wounds, the impact was too much. After telling his brother, "the sadness will last forever," he finally died, two days after launching the attempt. He was denied a funeral because he had committed suicide.
http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/artists/vincent-van-gogh/

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deFaultLine Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 06:23 PM
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1. Puzzling
I have to wonder why anyone would think that mental illness is a matter of choice. Why would anyone choose to hear voices and live in constant fear?

But that is what it's like for many schizophrenics and there are many other disorders that make it difficult for people to function in society. None of them have made the choice to live the way they do.

The tragic thing is that the most complex machine we know of, the human brain, is treated like it's always the same for everyone. It's not thankfully. I'll never compose something like a Mozart or paint like a Van Gogh. But I know that my life has been enriched by these people that have brains that I'm sure were fundamentally different from the one I have in my head.

I look at the current administration and have to wonder what part of their brain is not functioning when the come up with short-sighted and ignorant policies. Have they themselves lost something inside their heads that prevents them from empathizing with other human beings?

Sooner or later most of us will need treatment for a mental health issue and the sad thing is that many will not seek treatment because of the stigma attached to it. If you have any doubts about this, read the following link for some insight into yet another hidden problem that is getting swept under a very lumpy carpet:

http://www.therubins.com/illness/lateonset.htm

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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 08:22 PM
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5. Perhaps it is the heart, not the brain malfunctioning in current leaders
If I could have only one prayer granted to humanity, it would be for everyone to reach out to another in their life who has mental issues and offer them some understanding and friendship. It would not be those with mental issues that would receive the true blessing in my prayer. I've know many in my time with various mental issues and while they might not have "beautiful minds," the vast majority have beautiful hearts.

As Aesop said, a friend in need, is a friend in deed.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 07:04 PM
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2. It is a wonderment to me just how many of us...
have a family member,loved one, or friend with some degree of mental illness.

Yet, many of us turn a deaf ear and blind eye (at best) and try to assign blame and fault.

I was reading in today's NYTimes about the homeless situation and the mentally ill who are such a huge part of same.

One has to wonder just how many of these poor souls could have been saved from their desperate plight with just a little pathos (not to mention treatment).

I oftentimes think that our mishandling of the mentally disturbed, no matter what the syndrome, is our single greatest failure as a Society.

And I am not without guilt.

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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 07:51 PM
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3. Thanks Tom, there is one person in america who feels no guilt...
I will not utter the name of such ultimate evil but His Ass-holiness the Dope is the one of the coldest tyrants history has ever recorded. The sad thing is that he will not get blamed for all the suicides his actions cause amoung those with severe mental issues. "Normal" people aren't immune, especially those who see combat. I guess it's like our silly old "conflict" Tom, suicides won't get into the tally. These Iraq veterans could come back facing PTSD issues that actually exceed what came back from Nam.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 08:19 PM
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4. It's gonna be a Hell of a lot worse
We had our own problems, mostly reflexive reactions to sharp reports due to exposure to gunfire.

I had my own hangups regarding small boats on water and certain jangly sounds.

This, however, is urban warfare. Walking down a street and freaking when a door opens or someone walks around the corner.
Driving down the street.

There will be Hell to pay for years to come.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 08:48 PM
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6. sometimes when PTSD victims freak out, the one opening the door pays
especially when it's a young well-trained combat vet. Just wait until the chimps' cutbacks fill the streets with unmedicated people suffering from severe mental issues. Have you ever tried to envision hell?
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 09:23 PM
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13. It is going to be god-awful.
I have been thinking about this a lot.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 09:38 PM
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19. I haven't but your wisdom, while spooky is enlightening
It hit me like a ton of bricks when you said it as I remembered back to my days in the VA and my PTSD pals there. Nothing pretty about PTSD and if you folks think we had a high divorce rate before, just wait.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 08:53 PM
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7. Kicked and rec'd
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 09:07 PM
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8. thanks BrklynLiberal. I went through a lot of soul searching with this OP
I decided that revealing a great evil in the right light required me to come out of the straight-jacket closet. It's times like these that we find out who our real friends are. If I only gained you three, who had the courage to post here, as friends, all the insults and slights I've recieved at DU were worth it. thanks
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 09:12 PM
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9. Many of us struggle daily with our inner demons. It is of great comfort
Edited on Wed Jun-07-06 09:13 PM by BrklynLiberal
to find that we are not struggling alone. :hug:
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 09:23 PM
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11. we might see a new type of mental illness emerge from all this crap
Have you been severely depressed since 2004?

Do you feel paranoid and believe the government is watching your every move?

Do you find yourself fantasizing about the death of a world leader?

Do you find it hard to manage money?

Do you believe many in society are suffering severe delusions?

If you suffer from these symptoms contact you Senators and Congress-people immediately, because you are suffering from a social conscience.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 09:25 PM
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14. Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes. Uh-Oh
Edited on Wed Jun-07-06 09:32 PM by BrklynLiberal
:scared:
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 09:31 PM
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16. thanks for your vote too BrklynLiberal. publicity helps others who suffer
It's no great occult secret. Understanding is the key. the more people who gain insight into the issue the less those with mental issues suffer. Most of the severe cases i saw, as an inpatient in the VA were not monsters: Quite the contrary, they were some of the kindest, gentlest, saddest people I've ever met.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 09:33 PM
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17. I know exactly what you mean.
Edited on Wed Jun-07-06 09:33 PM by BrklynLiberal
Most often they are merely looking for someone to talk to.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 09:35 PM
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18. that's all just a few kind words and inside jokes like everyone needs
is it too much to ask?
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 11:07 PM
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25. another here
depression sufferer, my demons are legion...

I have permanent memory loss due to multiple bouts of depression. If I don't take my medication, I become non-functional, then suicidal.

Depression:
-is not a character flaw
-is not curable, only manageable
-is disabling
-is not helped by people who tell you "pull yourself together"
-a major cause behind suicide
-can occur more frequently as time goes on
-can lead to memory damage
-can occur in children (my first episode was when I was about 8, possibly 4, the last one was around Thanksgiving 2001)

Hugs all around.
:hug:
Hang in there.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 11:18 PM
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26. one more thing kineneb. depression physically hurts but not as much...
as isolation and loneliness. thank you for your comments.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 11:49 PM
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28. know that
my list is just what came to me at the moment. I remember as a child feeling as if I had a great weight on my chest, and that it ached. Sometimes the pain was such that I just wanted to die.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 11:56 PM
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29. I didn't mean to devalue your list. it is an important contribution...
I just wanted to add that last thing. thanks for expanding on it.
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OneAngryDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 09:16 PM
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10. My Girlfriend's...
My Girlfriend's eldest daughter has Asperger syndrome: I see it's effects minute by minute.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger%27s_syndrome

It is NOT a choice, nor is it self-induced.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 09:42 PM
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20. the more we talk about it the better it is for her and society in general
when we hide it no one wins and nothing changes.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 09:23 PM
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12. It's my opinion
that our country's lack of care for the mentally ill is one of our most egregious shortcomings.


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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 09:30 PM
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15. A random quote I saved from a while back...
Edited on Wed Jun-07-06 09:31 PM by BrklynLiberal

In the end, if you want to know a society’s level of compassion, look at how it treats its elderly and its mentally ill.
If you want to know a society’s heart, look at how it treats its women and its sick
If you want to see a society’s character, look at how it runs its government and businesses.
If you want to know a society’s sense of justice and fairness, look how it treats its minorities, its poor, and its criminal.
And if you want to know a society’s morals and values, and predict its future, look at how it raises its children.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 10:16 PM
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21. that's very strong copy. who wrote it BrklynLiberal?
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 11:01 PM
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23. I don't know. I had saved it a long time ago and did not have the author
:shrug:
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 11:24 PM
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27. I just found it by using your words in an online search. here it is...
Confessions of a Pied Piper
by Hadji Williams

Lately, there’s been a lot of talk about “culture wars” and declining morals, particularly among our youth. And as a 13-year ad industry veteran, I’ve spent the last five years mainly doing “youth marketing,” focusing on young adults and the hip-hop generation. Consequently, I’ve been forced to question my role, if any, in all of this.

Looking back, I’ve made a lot of money for a lot of clients who were out to reach young people, but I’m not sure that it was always a good thing. I’ve helped drive sales for Sprite, Coca-Cola and Mello Yello. I’ve helped make Mercedes Benz “hipper” and more “universal.” I’ve even done a little bit of liquor work here and there. All told, I was quite the pied piper.

Under the umbrella of Youth Marketing, I gave kids what they wanted while conditioning them to want not what they needed, but instead what I needed to sell them. Through the images and ideals I crafted for cars, soft drinks, fast food, snack goods, etc. I encouraged behavior in youth so many now criticize.

The more I think about it, it’s increasingly hard for me to solely blame teens for seeing war and violence as a videogame knowing that we’ve spent decades making war and violence X-Box, SEGA, and PS2 compatible; not to mention the theme of countless summer blockbusters, music videos, TV shows, and CDs.

http://www.popandpolitics.com/articles_detail_archived.cfm?articleID=1595
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:59 AM
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34. Thanks!!!!!!!
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 10:30 PM
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22. Cutting funding
Edited on Wed Jun-07-06 10:32 PM by Marie26
"On May 20, 2006, the president of the National Alliance on Mental Illness warned Congress that President Bush's proposed $9 million cut in the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) budget will erode progress in finding new treatments for schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and major depression -- condemning millions of Americans to chronic disability."

So, we're cutting funding for mental illness, at the same time that thousands of troops are returning with possible mental illnesses? There's also reports that they're so strapped for troops that commanders are now sending soldiers w/PTSD back into battle. It's just awful. I don't really have much to add, but just wanted to kick this thread again. Thanks for posting this - the problem of mental illness seems to be mostly ignored by both parties.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 11:05 PM
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24. While they raised VA funding, experts say a meager raise is insuficient...
to cover all the new patients flooding into VA hospitals. They also made a large number of VA patients no longer qualified for free services by changing the eligibility standards.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 12:31 AM
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30. And that $9 million will surely go a long way toward cutting the deficit
Edited on Thu Jun-08-06 12:32 AM by Hippo_Tron
NOT

These people are such assholes. They claim that they can reduce the deficit by making budget cuts to every social program when really the revenue saved is pennies toward a multi-trillion dollar problem. There are two items that they can cut and save REAL money. Defense and entitlement programs. Entitlement programs are out of the question due to politics, so guess what's left. The other alternative is to raise taxes. BTW, it doesn't take a genius to figure this kind of thing out. Just take a look at a chart of where the federal government spends its money.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 08:14 AM
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33. yeah it will sure help knock down that $9 TRILLION debt
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 12:57 AM
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31. Vonnegut
Edited on Thu Jun-08-06 12:58 AM by blogslut
In Galapagos said our brains were too big.

As a race, we have developed technologically/mechanically faster that we have sociologically. We mutated from a farming culture - working almost 24/7 - to a specialized society, literally overnight. Those of us in first world countries have more free thinky time on our hands that we are collectively, psychologically prepared for.

Personally, I think we all need counseling. This isn't about weakeness. We went too far too fast as a race...

Or not :)
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 04:06 AM
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32. Nothing new
They've been chopping away at Mental Health funding for some time now. Several years ago the agency I work at lost over $1 million in funding due to budget cuts. Dozens of staff were laid off and vital services were cut. But what does it matter when we have brown people to kill and gay marriages to prevent? :sarcasm:


More on Mental Illness: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/BuffyTheFundieSlayer/5


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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 03:50 PM
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35. A little daytime kick
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 03:58 PM
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36. BrklynLiberal, how did you manage to use TWO of my favorite quotes...
of all time?

"No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main....Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bells tolls; it tolls for thee." John Donne
"JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE PARANOID DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE NOT OUT TO GET YOU"
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 04:16 PM
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37. Great minds run in the same track??????
:blush:
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 04:46 PM
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38. hey, I resemble that remark! that must be it but you could start flames...
by calling my mind "great."
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 04:54 PM
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39. Then I guess we would have to burn together....
:hi:
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 05:08 PM
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40. OIC the Ben Franklin approach at the First Continental Congress...
When the Crown was hunting all the signers of the Declaration of Independence and no one could agree during a heated debate on state's rights, Franklin said, "we can either hang together or hang separately."
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:54 PM
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41. I am sure that applies to burning as well.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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