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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:09 PM
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I have been very touched by the reactions of so many on this board
to the latest anti LGBT outrage from the squatter in the White House. Many of us here have had a rough couple of days. Kevin's thread on this expresses it better than anything I could begin to write. Seeing so many straights willing to stand with us has been uplifting. It has made these days much more bearable.

You have been great, thanks so much. People like you might make it that the next generation of LGBT people won't have to even be bothered with this kind of garbage.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:15 PM
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1. I think most young people get it
At least in Canada they do. I've seen polls showing that Canadians under 24 find gay marriage a total non-issue.

It's only the 45 and older crowd who are against it.

So, I see hope for the future.
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jeanarrett Donating Member (813 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:18 PM
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3. I'm a straight Mom with five kids and I'm 45 and I get it, so
don't go there.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 05:05 PM
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42. I'm just saying that where the opposition is
At least in Canada. And it's by no means all people 45 and older. I think the statistic said about 60% were against gay marriage.

And even that number is going down.
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 05:07 PM
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43. Straight, married mother of two here.
Right there with you.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:30 PM
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86. Yep, straight - older than 45 (gasp)
and mother of one great guy. So, yes, again, don't go there.

We old ones may not be able to get around much anymore due to our greatly advanced age but our hearts and minds are still kicking, sonny.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:21 PM
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9. You think?
I think the over 50 demographic is pretty divided too. I could be full of it too, I live in a liberal college town, which is supposedly gay friendly.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:37 PM
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31. I'll be 51 in 2 weeks, married with a son and I get it . ALWAYS have,
Edited on Tue Jun-06-06 05:00 PM by in_cog_ni_to
and always will. I don't think this is an old vs young thing. I think it's FUNDAMENTALISTS vs everyone else thing. It's a repuke vs Democratic thing and tolerant vs intolerant bigots thing. Hate vs love thing. The repuke party represents the HATE Party. They hate everything and everybody who isn't like them. As long as we Progressives, Liberals and Democrats stick together....we will win this thing because we ARE RIGHT. They are wrong, wrong, wrong and we ain't called the Bleeding Heart Liberals for nuthin'!;) We actually CARE about the human race.
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 05:37 PM
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57. Well said - it's not an age thing
I'm 54, the people I've met throughout my life who have a problem with this are those who are generally intolerant of anything that doesn't fall within their small-world, small-minded grasp of life; and sadly they are the most vocal, especially when they have cheerleaders egging them on.

For me, to love and being loved is precious and is deserving of respect. The government has no business interfering with the lives of two consenting adults who choose to commit their lives to one another.

I find that many of those who are intolerant, are those who need to validate their own lives. Instead of looking within, they lash out externally, no matter who they hurt along the way. It is just so damn cruel.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:37 PM
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32. That's a pretty broad generalization you made
I don't think age has anything to do with it.

I too am over 45.

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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 05:09 PM
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45. Does it not make sense to you..
...that older people, by and large are more resistant to change? I don't think what I've said is controversial.

But I didn't mean that ALL people over 45 are so inclined. But I've seen the polls and a majority of 45+ people are against it.

I'm sorry if it was interpreted as meaning "all people over 45".
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 05:40 PM
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58. In the 'fifties, society tried to condition us to hate/fear the "homos."
Somehow the conditioning didn't take with me, was born immune to it.

Some people may believe I chose to be immune, but I know I was born immune.
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redwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:39 PM
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35. straight mom here
49 ...

I have family and friends who are gay so I totally support the "agenda" . :hi:
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:54 PM
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40. 50 yrs young and I get it. Distraction, non-issue
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Brazenly Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 05:20 PM
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49. Hey, I'm over 45 and I get it.
My sisters and brother and cousins and most of my friends are over 45 or about to be and they get it, too.

It's not people over 45 who oppose gay marriage. It's ignorant, bigoted, pinheaded people who oppose it.

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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 05:46 PM
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64. I think MATURE people get it, young or not.
You may only be young once, but you can be immature your whole life. Just look at Bu**sh** and his cohort.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 06:33 PM
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73. Yes, good point
Hence the saying, "No fool like an old fool"
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Branjor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 06:10 PM
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66. The over 50s....
Are we not the generation who fought at Stonewall and put Gay Liberation on the map?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 06:28 PM
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71. I'm 50, straight, and I 'get it'. And who you callin' old? nt
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 06:32 PM
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72. I ain't too far behind you
And you're exactly right. Old is an irrelevant state of mind.

In my mind, I'm still a teenager in the 70's, wondering who this person is who keeps calling me 'Dad'.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:16 PM
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2. I am a straight wife and mother of 2 and so happy to stand by your
side. I got your back. :hug:
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CornField Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:22 PM
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12. Yup - I'm right there with you
Another wife and mom to three children who doesn't believe in discrimination of any American.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:31 PM
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23. Me too.
I don't want my two kids growing up with bigotry if I have anything to do about it.
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:19 PM
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4. As Leno said, Same-Sex Marriage is a LOT more popular than George Bush....
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melnjones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:21 PM
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8. lol...
That is outstanding.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:24 PM
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18. It's customary to give us a keybd alert before posting stuff like that!
Fortunately I only almost drowned myself on perrier, not a totally horrible death I suppose.
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:20 PM
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5. dsc, I really need to believe
that most people will not support bigotry and that the haters are in the minority. To be honest, I really never understood homophobia. So, I guess I am just a clueless straight person who thinks everyone should be left to live their life the way they want.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:20 PM
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6. All of us have gay relatives
and we expect them to have the same rights as we do. Fugg Bush and his hypocrisy.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:32 PM
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25. That's right
I know I fall in that boat...and I agree 100%
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:41 PM
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36. ...me too.
Edited on Tue Jun-06-06 04:44 PM by bliss_eternal
One of my relatives was a (distant) cousin that died when I was very young. I later learned, she was transgendered and committed suicide, after many years of struggling to find her place in the world.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 06:19 PM
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68. One of my cousins died last year
We were real close as kids, but his family migrated to England. He was a bundle of fun and whenever we got together over the years we all had a great time. He was openly gay and lived with his partner for nearly 30 years. His partner died two years before from cancer and he died of a heart attack - truthfully he was heartbroken. He was perfectly fugging normal - gay is not a disease.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 07:07 PM
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75. I'm so sorry for your loss, malaise...
:hug::pals:

If there is a hell, there is a special place there for shrub--his blatant discrimination and ardent scapegoating of the glbt community has ensured his spot. How dare he claim what he does is in the name of Christianity... :grr::mad:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 07:37 PM
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82. Fugg Bush
Edited on Tue Jun-06-06 07:38 PM by malaise
this is all hypocrisy. Thanks - we do miss him.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:20 PM
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7. The thanks go to you, who have been fighting the good fight
against two formidable opponents (hate and ignorance) for so very long.

This is asking nothing of me but my support--which you will always have.

Take care and keep fighting, my friend. Even if you don't see me, I'm somewhere behind all of you.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:21 PM
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10. Hey, no problem,
We're all human, we're all looking for justice, peace and stability in this world. We're all entitled to it, and if one group of people is left out, then we're all left out.

And it isn't the younger set that is with you, many of us old, over forty types, figured it out long ago.

Peace:hi:
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:21 PM
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11. Love ya back....
...and watching your back too :hi:
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:22 PM
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13. Your life is yours to live in the fullness
of all of your gifts and talents and share with whom you please. Peace.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:22 PM
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14. Straight DUers have your back!
The Log Cabin Republicans will probably stand with you, too... so long as you learn to speak English good!

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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:23 PM
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15. We're HERE! We don't FEAR! Get used to it!
I honestly don't think that we will EVER completely rid the world
of bigotry and hate...

But we certainly can stand up and chase it back under
the slimy rock it came from. We have the NUMBERS to do that,
all we need is the will to stand up, look the bigots in the eye,
and tell them to knock it off.
They are, at their core, FEARFUL little people, emboldened
by the silence of the majority.

I say: They are afraid of loud noises, so let's all make some!
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 10:21 PM
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88. I totally agree with your post
I just wish we would all realize that these jerks can be challenged, but again, someone told me that Americans were gutless, I would love to prove them wrong, we just have to realize we can overcome them.

And all people should be treated with respect and dignity and not be judged by others.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:23 PM
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16. The straight people who post on DU are a seriously cool bunch.....
Their posts help me get past my resentments too. They're good folks.

Thanks for posting this.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:26 PM
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20. We're all just people, just plain folks
Besides, if it wasn't for the gay bar in Springfield Mo, I couldn't have stood living in Springfield for four years.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:24 PM
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17. Sure we disagree on some things, but when it matters, we stand as one.
I'll stand and fight for FREEDOM.

Freedom for ALL Americans regardless of weather or not I agree with their Pursuit Of Happiness.

Freedom for ALL to live in a FREE society.
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Bretttido Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:26 PM
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19. We Love You!
Edited on Tue Jun-06-06 04:27 PM by Bretttido
Keep your head up, because the brunt of the storm has passed. The skies will just get bluer and bluer as months and years go by.
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ChickMagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:27 PM
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21. When the chips are down
You know we have your back. Derby and I are
straight but not in any way narrow. Plus,
our best friend couple is gay.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:29 PM
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22. That's the biggest sin of this bunch-the politics of division they used!
We need to all reunite, we need to get back together for the hard times ahead. They certainly will be hard, you can be sure.
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:31 PM
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24. We're with you, my friend.
I'm straight, but have a number of LBGT friends. I know some of the crap you have to put up with.

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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:34 PM
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26. Well, I certainly hope we can eradicate this anti-gay crap from our
society within a generation!
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:35 PM
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27. The whole thing is so bloody stupid.
I'm a heterosexual who has been married more than 30 years (okay, an old heterosexual) and for the life of me I can't imagine how same sex couples marrying will affect the "sanctity" of my "institution." It boggles the mind this waste of time is taking place in the Senate. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, no health insurance, already worried about next winter's oil, heads rolling (literally) in Iraq, education out of reach, bird flu on the horizon, ice caps melting, etc., etc., etc. It makes me furious.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:35 PM
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28. I've started wearing a pink triangle on my shirt to work each day.
I work with a bunch of young gays and not one has even asked me what it means. (Hitler's Germany required homosexuals to wear pink triangles.)

I'm 46, straight and married.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:35 PM
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29. Gotcher back, dude.
:hug:
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:35 PM
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30. When my children were old enough
I had a talk about sexuality with them. Among other things crucial to such talks, I made sure they knew that being "Gay" was a part of nature, and that I would never want them to feel ashamed, or that we would reject them, if that was how they felt. And that we would support them One Hundred Percent.
The hate stops here.

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kwolf68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:38 PM
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33. Im straight and you damn right I stand with you
What the heck are you? Trash? No, you’re a person, a LIFE (pro-LIFE), you could be my brother, my son, my uncle….my friend.

To marginalize people simply for who they are attracted to simply confounds me. Two years ago I’ll be honest, I didn’t care about this issue in the least. I know (that I know of) one gay person (a Lesbian, quite pleasant person) so it was not “my issue.”

But to see the continual frontal assault on people who aren’t doing anything but minding their own business, trying to enjoy the fruits of their labor, and exercising their right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness I am now very confrontational when a family member or friend goes on some anti-gay tirade.

I believe whole-heartedly you attraction is purely biological. I don’t believe you can just arbitrarily change who and what you are attracted to. I am attracted to short women who are not very skinny. I don’t like runway models and no matter how much society tries to tell me they are attractive, I don’t have ANY attraction to them AT ALL. I didn’t choose that…it’s just my preference (for the record, those tall models probably wouldn’t like me either, but that’s another story).

Gay people have never dragged a straight person behind their truck simply for being straight. Gay people have never tried to restrict, influence, indoctrinate me in that the way I live my life was improper.

My grandmother, who is as old school bible thumping as you can get, but not at all part of that movement said about gay people this

“I don’t understand it, but they are God’s children too…and I love them.” … Such wisdom in an uneducated 90 year old women. I told her I don’t think gay people necessarily want to be “understood”, just respected as equal parts of this nation.

My viewpoints are a little more strident when it comes to gay people…When someone goes off on an anti-gay tirade I just say, “What the hell is it to you what they do? Why don’t you just leave them the fuck alone.”

In the end, gay people will only achieve respect and dignity in this society NOT WHEN gay people stand up and fight for their rights, but when us straight people join them.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:39 PM
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34. *hugs* to you and I can only imagine how shitty this has been for you.
It's so hurtful and it makes my blood BOIL that people can do this kind of thing to other human beings.:( It sucks. We're here for you guys and we aren't going ANYWHERE.:hug:
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:44 PM
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37. homosexuality is NATURAL
It's genetic. It's programmed in the DNA during conception.
This makes it a civil rights issue.

And you can find it in nature. This is one of my favorite stories about homosexuality in nature, you gotta read it. It's a great story! :)
http://www.cnn.com/NATURE/9909/18/gay.vulture.parents/
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 05:43 PM
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61. That really is a great story and kudos to the people who were
open-minded enough to let these birds be. Most people on the right have "control" issues, which is there problem not mine. I really wish schools would have tolerance classes and teach the kids early on not to try and control everything and everyone. What a nice world that would be.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 10:29 PM
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89. you know what bothers me
is how some people who are not clear thinkers like us, think being gay is a choice, it is not a choice, it is genetic. Just proves how sick and uninformed these people really are.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:47 PM
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38. every day of the year, old friend.
:hi:
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Jazz2006 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:53 PM
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39. Here's hoping...
that the next generation of LGBT people will never have to experience the inequities and horrors that have visited upon all the previous generations.

I think it will happen. And when it does, it will be because all of us, straight and otherwise, recognize that fundamental human and civil rights belong to all of us and no artificial line in the sand can be drawn to withhold those rights from any person or group.

Proud to stand with you.


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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:56 PM
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41. *chills head to toe*
You are welcome.

I always support the LGBT community... it's like paying homage to a gay couple who were so near and so dear to my heart. They did so much for me and my family.

Sadly, they are both gone now due to AIDS. I'll never forget them and I'll never stop fighting the good fight in their honor.


Straight but not narrow...

Juniper Lea
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 05:08 PM
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44. I'm 53 and I always got it. Don't despair, honey. this too shall pass.
go and get comfort here: www.americablog.com
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 05:12 PM
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46. May I second that motion?
You've expressed a gratitude so much better than I can right now. Thanks dsc and thanks to so many on DU for their understanding, compassion, strength and support!
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 05:14 PM
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47. Even more amazing reading this thread
I can't answer everyone without taking my and several other shares of bandwidth. As much as these days make me feel like less of a citizen it has made me more of a DUer.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 05:18 PM
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48. Could that we be the same to all persecuted minorites
But such solidarity towards ensuring native american rights, rights for blacks
in prison, a million drugs users in prison, womens equality, veterans,
disabled people, nonchristian religion, single people, unemployed people
and poor people. The pink triangle is for solidarity with all of the
above; we are one community, one people on this earth. :hug:
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 07:09 PM
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76. What a beautiful statement and post...
:hug: :hi:
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 05:22 PM
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50. The next generation .......
... I have some real hope that the next generation will have an easier road in many areas, not just GLBT.

I have supreme faith in young people. I have a real hope for less racism, sexism, genderism, ageism, and any other -ism. The last six years of building pressure in these areas has tested our country. I feel a real disgust to the manufacturerd hate and a revulsion to those who would practice it. Our young people, in particular, are very much 'off' it. To be absolutely sure, it isn't dead. but it is less than it seems.

If hate were sex, what we're seeing now is the orgasm.

And there's nothing left.
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 05:24 PM
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51. Another straight, married mother of 2
Over 45 :hippie:

And I stand with you.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 05:28 PM
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52. Straight here, but not narrow.
My wife and I both agree that whether anyone else is gay or straight, what they do doesn't affect us or threaten us in any way. We're all PEOPLE. We try to treat others as we would like to be treated - with fairness, dignity and respect.

We stand with you.

Bake
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 05:35 PM
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56. That's my bumper sticker!
"I'm straight, but not narrow."


One day I was getting picked up by the airport parking lot shuttle, and the driver was an eldery African American man. He read my bumper sticker and said, "I really like that. Thank you for your support." I felt good that my show of support was noticed, and I am glad that it moved him.

:grouphug:
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 05:31 PM
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53. Latinos, gays
The purpose of this is mainly to set huge groups of society in motion against large, clearly definable other groups. It DOES matter when you are the chosen target, but not to Bush. Catholics and Jews(some radical RW members of the inner circle, convenient dupe allies for the agendas) are off the list this time for various reasons but each particular group is suffering in some particular way under Bush from increased division, prejudice and actual attacks.

It is not to pander to a minority of cult homophobes or white racists or anti-immigrant workers lashing out to protect their jobs. it is to create the massive diversion of consciousness away from reality, from what it means to be an American but most of all away from the crooks in charge.

These are the elements in this campaign: restore Bush's charming image even as he sets everyone at each other's throat, tie up Congress in useless but distracting legislation that makes them weak or worse in comparison to Bush as they frantically scurry for political sides of this diversion, set the talking agenda once more(the exertion of this power is vastly more important than the issue result), then on schedule add a dollop of terror and the march to Iran. Domestic agenda in chaos mainly to remove or hobble rivalry and oversight of the WH. Foreign entanglement to focus people away from the WH even as they fall behind them.

The mass distraction for Iran works the same way. Straw men all. Discussing the "nuclear" issue at all is a successful turn of the spotlight the way the WH wants. With that massive distraction in place all else absurdly falls behind the curtain: the lying and deceit and bad results of the last useless war, the nonsense and counterproductive horrors of this, the real impact for the WH energy hegemony goals. The press even gets behind the straw "democracy" meme, dutifully, almost uncritically, stupidly ready to be stupid again.

On the home front where people don't want to be bothered, the important thing to mask all dissatisfaction with Bush is to diffuse the negativity and set people against each other in ways they have to dance to the gunfire. It works if it works that way, amendment or no amendment, rallying behind civil rights or losing them.

This is the stage when the hero, grasping the shape-shifting wizard should keep the stranglehold as the forms change from dragon to snake etc. But society as a whole bereft of healthy leadership and national forums is an easier hold to break. Underneath Bush is losing more votes, another absurd secret the media can't see, but for this strategy the Dictator does not care and cannot, if he intends to rule and dominate through fear and hate.

Th apotheosis of more of the same, the GOP overall attitude and strategy for decades is reaching its ultimate limit of evil in its most vile pyramidal dynasty. You need no values, no reason, no competence, just the exertion of influence and power. So far, the massive societal mind is steered like a herd of expendable lemmings. The environment, the war, the WH web of corruption is still out there too, but dangerously, the vast direction is still under the corporate media whip in the hands of Cheney and Rove. The war against Iran is supposed to seal the deal eventually, whether the people like it or not. The scapegoats will feel less pressure perhaps as the focus shifts, but the evil will not be withdrawn, no civil rights safe or restored. It is all downhill, and thanks to the pitiful leadership, the treasonous or incompetent press, a little doofus can lead them.
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Brazenly Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 05:32 PM
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54. this is the umpteenth thread I've seen on this topic.
It's wonderful!

Usually, when there are a bunch of threads on one subject, I skip over most of them. But I'm reading all of these and I love seeing them. Every one of them is an opportunity to stand and be counted and let our gay and lesbian friends know they are not ever alone in the struggle.

I have to think about this rainbow flag avatar. I switched to it as part of the DU show of solidarity with LGBT. What will I do when the five days is over? I like my rainbow flag. I like taking this stand. I don't want to change it back. But would that be hijacking a symbol that's meaningful to other people and using it for a somewhat different purpose? Would that be inadvertently disrespectful? I have to give it some serious thought. I kind of like the "straight but not narrow," but I wouldn't feel right using it. I would feel like I was weaseling around it - supporting gays while making sure people knew that I'm not "that way" myself. (NO, I am NOT saying that other people who use the sbnn thingy are doing that. Just that it's how I'd feel.)
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 05:40 PM
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59. I don't think it is weasel-y
I think it is IMPORTANT for people to know that straight people stand up for the cause too. The civil rights movement would not have accomplished it's goals if it were only the black people speaking out. It's easy to know when a white person speaks out for his/her African American friends and family.

But with the issue being homosexuality, we can only show this kind of support by stating it, since it's not a visible distinction. I have the "straight but not narrow" bumper sticker on my car, because I absolutely want the world to know that the rights I am demanding are NOT for me, but others who deserve them too. I am demanding these rights, not because they will benefit ME, but because it's the right thing to do!

:patriot:

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Brazenly Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 05:46 PM
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63. Yes, as I said, I'm NOT saying people who use it are weaselling.
Absolutely not. It's just how I'd feel. It's my own neuroses at work, not an assessment of the value of making the sbbn statement.

And I agree with you that it's important to let the world know that gay issues matter to EVERYONE, not just those with something to gain personally.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 07:14 PM
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77. I hope someone has some bail money on the ready...
...as I feel the need to protest. Loud and PUBLICLY! We need to shut some streets down and deafen the ears of the ignorant with the noise.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 10:36 PM
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90. this whole thing should not be about gays, it is about Human Rights
for all of us. Like I keep on saying, Leave the gays alone. :hug:
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 05:34 PM
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55. I Posted Yesterday.... I'm A Boomer.....
with grand-kids and I've ALWAYS understood. Pushing my way up to 60!
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 05:41 PM
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60. No LGBT person in my life will ever take any shit when I'm in the room!
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MODemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 05:43 PM
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62. At my ripe old age of 73, I get it
I have three grown children; nine Grandchildren and 3 great grandchildren; been married to my
husband for 55 years; but my theory is: It's none of anyone's damned business about another's sex life, period. The republicans are just weird, despicable people.
:shrug:
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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 05:59 PM
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65. I've never changed my avatar!
since on DU I've always had Howard Dean,But now I must! These guys(repugs) are getting pretty scary...........as if gays are like jews were to the Nazis......very scary, God help what has become of America, The neocons are the reicarnation of the nazis.............
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 06:15 PM
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67. I never had an avatar on DU before. Never saw any reason.
I have one now.
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Kixel Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 06:20 PM
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69. I don't get it...
Why is the gay marriage thing such a big deal for those who oppose it? Honestly-gay folks aren't going to be less gay. Nothing will change in straight folks daily lives. I just don't understand it at all. Especially when that becomes a huge issue when there are so many others.

Most younger conservative people don't see gay marriage as an issue. Even if the religious rite has it's way now, reality says that the discrimination won't last forever. I am sorry for what those of you who are gay have to go through now, but I have no doubt that sanity will come through eventually. The sane straight folks will be right there fighting for you until you get what you deserve under the Constitution. It doesn't hurt us like it does you, but it is very difficult to swallow bigotry on any level. Stupid religious conservatives...

As a Christian, I find it extremely offensive that so many people spend so much time preaching against God's message. Honestly, I am sorry. Just know those who fight against you are very empty spiritually and not worried about what they should be. We'll get you guys married yet...heck, at the way my love life goes, it could be legal for gays to get married before I find a guy that doesn't irritate the heck out of me!





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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 06:20 PM
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70. Hell, I'm nearer 60 than 50
Straight, 2 grown sons - and to all the LGBT friends among us - I've got your backs! :loveya:
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Wheezy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 07:03 PM
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74. Hang in there!
I don't know that there's any issue I feel stronger about. Straight mom of 2 here, wife of a pastor (my hubby has done a 180 on his views of this issue over the past 2 years, by the way. Yesterday I was sending a fax to congress denouncing this ridiculous idea of changing the constitution to discriminate, and I barely got two words out before he said 'sign my name to it--better yet, let me send my own.')



Sadly, there are still kids at my kid's jr. high school who say things like 'that is so gay'. We have taught our kids tolerance and equal rights for all people. My kid knows that if I ever catch him saying something so discriminatory, I will have his hide.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 07:26 PM
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78. If there is one thing I'm proud of
Its raising four boys who are not homophobes and in guiding them in that direction, I've learned a bit about some luminaries who happened to be gay.

What amazes me is the incredible, brilliance, strength of character and unselfishness these luminaries have displayed in the face of such hatred, villainy and violence.

Uncommonly strong. What is "gay" (to use the pejorative) about that?

Hang in there.

Signed:
Straight Old Guy
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 07:27 PM
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79. "straight" musician, over 45, married 25 years
... with lots of wonderful and unique friends as fellow musicians. I don't care what they do in their personal life, as long as the music works. If they want to marry, more power to them, I would happily attend any ceremonies.

Alas, so many of my musician friends were lost to AIDS. :cry:
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 07:32 PM
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80. NOBODY should expect (or deserves) 'thanks' for doing what's right!
Edited on Tue Jun-06-06 07:34 PM by TahitiNut
There's probably nothing more self-serving than acting morally and ethically. :shrug: (imho)
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 07:36 PM
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81. I'm wearing my pink badge proudly! :hugs: n/t
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 07:59 PM
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83. Straight, 50, married twice, 2 kids and I got it a long time ago
people are PEOPLE. I suppose having a gay brother was helpful too. The cool thing is my kids "get it" even more than I do, so you may just be right about the next generation not having to be bothered.
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JackDragna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:03 PM
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84. You're welcome.
I have no tolerance for this sort of idiocy. I know it's really just a half-hearted attempt by Bush to get the whackjobs to back him more consistently, but it's still bigoted and heartless.
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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:20 PM
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85. ONE HUMAN FAMILY
here in the Florida Keys!!!
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Pied Piper Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 09:45 PM
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87. I, too, want to thank my DU friends
I'm a long-time lurker, few-time poster, and I want to let you all know how much we love our DU supporters. We are in troubling times, and all of us from the GLBT tribe appreciate your support. Many thanks!
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 11:32 PM
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91. most Americans now know (or know of) . . .
and LIKE at least one gay man or lesbian woman . . .

television viewers (most of the country) have also come to "know and love" gay people who are "just folks" . . . think Will and Grace and Queer Eye . . ., for example . . .

yeah, I know the latter is controversial within the gay community, but these guys DID actually go in and redecorate a Moose lodge on Long Island . . . they even helped the very straight, middle class membership pose for and market an "erotic" calendar! . . .

can't get much more "just folks" than that . . .
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 12:14 AM
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92. One can hope
As a 60 year old straight, married grandmother I hope I live to see that day.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 12:27 AM
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93. in solidarity n/p
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 12:36 AM
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94. Made a toon for the folks here
After seeing the outpouring of support I wanted to do something:

http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/chance40/354190/
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 12:49 AM
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95. have two cousins
and a couple of friends who are gay. What's the diff? I believe It is biological-as I have seen from two cousins--that reminds me of being young and left handed and having everyone attempt to change me to be right handed. No way!!! I'm lefthanded and that's how I'm going to stay!!!! It is not a choice, it is who you are!!:pals:
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Dem2theMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 01:38 AM
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96. Here's to hoping that you are right and that the next generation
of LGBT people can live their lives in peace and happiness and never have to worry about being accepted.

I'm straight and I'm proud to have that beautiful pink avatar next to my name. :) :hug:
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 09:37 AM
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97. Straight but not narrow
We stand together. It's a human thing. :hug: Peace :patriot:
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 09:48 AM
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98. Almost 52 - Support love, not hate
Edited on Wed Jun-07-06 09:53 AM by HeeBGBz
In whatever form in manifests itself.

Edited to say: I'm a mostly straight parent of two - granny of one and almost two.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 11:13 AM
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99. I'm with you. too!
To oppose the latest insanity coming from this illegal and divisive administration is the least I could do!:grr:

Hang in there!:hi:
Rhiannon:pals:
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