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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 03:24 PM
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I can't believe the hate-filled response from a "Christian"
The letter at the bottom is a response to this article. Say what you will about Kay Warren, but at least she is trying to make a difference. Scroll to the bottom to read a readers response. I have no words to describe how sick this makes me feel:

LAKE FOREST, California (CNN) -- Joana crawled toward me on her skeletal elbows and knees, each movement a painful reminder of the fact that she was dying.

When I met her, this emaciated woman was homeless, living under a tree. She had unrelenting diarrhea, little food, no earthly possessions, and only an elderly auntie who had taken pity on her to care for her needs.

Still, she roused herself to offer me, an American visitor to her part of Mozambique, a traditional greeting.

The African pastors who brought me to visit her told me that she had been evicted from her village when it became known that she had AIDS. Now, in this second village, her tiny stick house had mysteriously burned after her status became known. A short time later, Joana died -- rejected, abandoned, persecuted and destitute.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/05/warren.aids/index.html


Here is the pearl of wisdom:

When the misguided pastor's wife refers to those who "claim to be followers" of Christ, she is implying that if we do not join in this "struggle" with HIV, then we are not truly what we claim. As a Christian, I take offense at this. HIV is a medical condition, no more a crisis than cancer, blindness or a host of other unfortunate ailments that torment mankind. True Christians are moved by Christ's compassion to help those in need who may cross our paths, regardless of the ailment. Just because HIV has been earmarked as a "gay" disease in the past, does not mean we are to bow before it. There is a hidden agenda here, one which would have Christians not only be kind to gays outside the church, but to accommodate gays in the church as though they could actually be a part of spiritual union with Christ. The Bible does not condone sin in any form, and is very clear on God's opinion of this particular sin. Those who do not see this, choose not see it because of their spiritual rebellion. The deluded pastor's wife should recognize that she is being used to deceive many, and should repent while there is yet time.
Brenton Hunter, Dallas, Texas


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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 03:28 PM
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1. I thought it was okay to sin because Jesus forgives them?
That seems to be the only excuse this despicable person can offer for her disgusting display of her "values" in action. She sounds like a waste of oxygen to me.
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rkc3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 03:36 PM
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10. I believe her spiritual mantra is...
I'm saved. Screw you.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 03:30 PM
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2. No TRUE Christian is capable of hatred!
'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' Matthew 25:40
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 03:32 PM
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4. Ayup.
Some people just don't get it, I guess. I am a not a religious person at all but am pretty clear what the teachings of Jesus were about.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 03:45 PM
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13. I was raised Christian...
Until the hypocrisy was too much for me... Agnostic now... I can still name all the books of the Bible and use a Concordance though... comes in handy:)

Too many of the so-called Christians I run into these days are no where near Christ-like. It gives me great joy to point it out to them via scripture... likewise, whenever I meet a Christian who behaves like a Christian, I give them kudos.

If you are gonna talk the talk you must walk the walk... the lukewarm are spewed from his mouth...
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 03:32 PM
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3. This isn't a christian
not one that I'd recognize, I've come to believe more firmly in the law of karma than christianity, and believe me this person just planted a whole load of bad karma.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 03:32 PM
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5. "a hidden agenda ... which would have Christians...be kind..."
Jesus is twirling in his grave.
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 03:34 PM
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6. Wow, that is one EVIL person
They seem to read the book, but they don't seem to understand a single word.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 03:34 PM
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7. Yep, Brenton is one who claims to be a follower of Christ, but has
been deceived and led way off track by the heretics.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 03:34 PM
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8. Some people are much too ugly inside to be called true Christians in the
sense that they follow in the teachings of Jesus.
People like the one who wrote that "pearl of wisdom" are the ones who deserve excoriation since they do such a disservice to what the teachings of Jesus are supposed to represent.
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 03:35 PM
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9. I'll take hell (language warning)
If that pissy little prick Brenton Hunter of Dallas is representative of the population of Heavan I'll take hell anyday. I hate these fundamentalist assholes more and more each day. They choose to exclude anyone they don't like and they bloody well enjoy it. Brenton Hunter - You and your pathetic family can, in the imortal words of our vice-president "Go Fuck Yourselves". What a piece of shit.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 03:37 PM
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12. Ditto for me. eom
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neoblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 03:36 PM
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11. Yet, even though he's convinced...
that his God's opinion of that particular "sin" is very clear--he couldn't prove it by his Holy Book. It's only clear in the deep, dark (and I mean dark) emotional recesses of his insecure little mind. So typical of fundies to think that whatever they 'feel' must be reflective of the will of their God--as well as to believe that because they believe their God is supreme that he is therefore, de facto, the God of all (ergo any who don't believe just aren't "willing to be open" to Him--which is yet another derogatory thump against whoever doesn't believe).
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tenshi816 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:22 PM
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20. "You can safely assume
Edited on Tue Jun-06-06 04:23 PM by tenshi816
you’ve created God in your own image when it turns out God hates all the same people you do.”

That's what always comes to mind when reading about people like this.

Edit: too quick on my "send" finger

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BurgherHoldtheLies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 03:46 PM
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14. Delta 32 mutation causes immunity from AIDS (and the plague)
This outta make the fundie heads explode: evolving pathogens, mutant genes and immunity to AIDS:popcorn:

Did a genetic mutation save the English village of Eyam from the Great Plague?

The Mystery of the Black Death begins in September of 1665, when a tailor in the secluded English village of Eyam opened a flea-infested shipment of fabric from London. In a matter of days, the tailor and much of the village were suffering the telltale signs of bubonic plague, the disease that, in the first five years since its arrival, had wiped out a third of the European population. To prevent the outbreak from spreading throughout the region, the whole town was quarantined -- no one was allowed in or out. Outsiders assumed that the bacteria would simply wipe out the entire village. But they were wrong. Three hundred and fifty years later, Dr. Stephen O'Brien, a geneticist from the National Institutes of Health in Washington, D.C., is delving into the reasons why some individuals managed to survive the excruciating Black Death while others were dying all around them. Following O'Brien as he takes DNA samples and investigates historical records and family archives, the film sheds light on the resistance to the plague, and reveals a stunning legacy that the plague survivors passed on to their descendents -- a similar resistance to the modern-day scourge of AIDS.


SECRETS OF THE DEAD: Crime Scene Investigations Meet History

DNA samples could only be collected from direct descendents of the plague survivors. DNA is the principal component of chromosomes, which carry the genes that transmit hereditary characteristics. We inherit our DNA from our parents, thus Eyam resident Joan Plant, for instance, may have inherited the delta 32 mutation from one of her ancient relatives. Plant can trace her mother's lineage back ten generations to the Blackwell siblings, Francis and Margaret, who both lived through the plague to the turn of the 18th century. The next step was to harvest a DNA sample from Joan and the other descendants. DNA is found in the nuclei of cells. The amount is constant in all typical cells, regardless of the size or function of that cell. One of the easiest methods of obtaining a DNA tissue sample is to take a cheek, or buccal, swab.


After three weeks of testing at University College in London, delta 32 had been found in 14% of the samples. This is a genetically significant percentage, yet what, really, did it mean? Could the villagers have inherited delta 32 from elsewhere, residents who had moved to the community in the 350 years since the plague? Was this really a higher percentage than anywhere else? To find out, O'Brien assembled an international team of scientists to test for the presence of delta 32 around the world. "Native Africans did not have delta 32 at all," O'Brien says, "and when we looked at East Asians and Indians, they were also flat zero." In fact, the levels of delta 32 found in Eyam were only matched in regions of Europe that had been affected by the plague and in America, which was, for the most part, settled by European plague survivors and their descendents.

Meanwhile, recent work with another disease strikingly similar to the plague, AIDS, suggests O'Brien was on the right track. HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, tricks the immune system in a similar manner as the plague bacterium, targeting and taking over white blood cells. Virologist Dr. Bill Paxton at the Aaron Diamond AIDS Research Center in New York City noticed, "the center had no study of people who were exposed to HIV but who had remained negative." He began testing the blood of high-risk, HIV-negative individuals like Steve Crohn, exposing their blood to three thousand times the amount of HIV normally needed to infect a cell. Steve's blood never became infected. "We thought maybe we had infected the culture with bacteria or whatever," says Paxton. "So we went back to Steve. But it was the same result. We went back again and again. Same result." Paxton began studying Crohn's DNA, and concluded there was some sort of blocking mechanism preventing the virus from binding to his cells. Further research showed that that mechanism was delta 32.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/case_plague/index.html

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Dunvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 03:47 PM
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15. Good discussion for 6-6-6...because, after all, doesn't "Anti-Christ"
...really mean "Against Christ"...including his teachings?
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tenshi816 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 03:50 PM
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16. "The Bible does not condone sin in any form"...
Hmm. I wonder how many divorced people attend this guy's church. I wonder how many have coveted something that belonged to someone else. And on and on and on.

Funny how they always have an excuse for those "sins".
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 03:53 PM
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18. I know!!!
Divorce your wife and marry another - adultery according to the bible. Half of congress would be adulterers.
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 03:50 PM
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17. Those without sin may cast the first stone. Were´d I put my pet rock?
I´m not really perfect, just conceited.

Rock, pet. Go tell this woman that I belong in church; I´m in the choir.
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Saphire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:15 PM
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19.  "as though they could actually be a part of spiritual union with Christ
well, I'm glad her God appointed her to decide this part.
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