"DO WEDGE ISSUES HAVE TO BE SO BORINGLY PREDICTABLE" ON ELECTION DAY?

[Jeffersons Ghost]

I just heard those words on Air-America.

[alcibiades_mystery]

1. Congratulations

:shrug:

By the way, the caps lock key is located above the shift key on your standard QWERTY keyboard. Just sayin'...

[Jeffersons Ghost]

2. I knew what DU would look like this morning....

Are ALL these wedge issues in DU OPs posted by true-blue democrats? why so many on election day? most dems I personally know could care less about issues like gay marriage and religion. They focus on high fuel prices thanks to the REPUBLICAN CULTURE OF CORRUPTION, which puts ALL their leaders in bed with the idle-rich and gigantic corporations.

[alcibiades_mystery]

12. Are you implying that some of the posters are disrupting?

You should press alert if you think so. Implications to that effect are 1) sleazy, 2) cowardly, and 3) against the rules.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

13. I don't think Air-America, as in the OP meant that do you?

Implying that ANYONE is 1) sleazy, 2) cowardly, is also 3)against the rules isn't it? what if you call someone a hypocrite to their face; isn't that against the rules?

[alcibiades_mystery]

14. I wasn't implying

I was asking.

So you're not implying that the people putting these posts up are disrupters, is that right?

[Jeffersons Ghost]

15. for the sake of argument, let's put that aside...

and talk about your true problems with me... Why deal in innuendo? First let's deal with the first paragraph in your journal:

Alcibiades Mystery writes:
Yeah yeah yeah
Posted by alcibiades_mystery in General Discussion
Tue Apr 25th 2006, 05:51 PM (with me averaging about 2 OPs and countless kicks on issues that help the democratic party, since that time, the date seems very distant in my humble opinion. JG)

but, as promised, back to your words:
"I get the need to insult. I really do. I'm not really sure how this discussion suddenly spread out to cover all my posts, but I guess that's how you manage your response. That's cool. There is, behind my attempt to push the argument a particular way, a logic to the way the graffiti subculture works. I've been trying to perform that logic here, but I better spell it out now. A logic doesn't mean a justification, by the way. There is no justification, but it is precisely the point that graffiti writers don't want or need to justify themselves to bourgeois culture. In fact, they need graffiti to be beyond justification. It's worthy of explanation, because the paradox is that graffiti needs people like you to oppose it. You are a constituent element of the subculture. That's the thesis here, but you need to understand the subculture to get it. If you could withhold your fairly obvious will to judgment for a second (I encourage you to judge afterwards, sure)"

I guess that really says it all, you're here to fulfill a "need to insult." I guess that's why you were offering such a wide sweeping justification of your writings to date. You, however, need to get used to old 'Nam era vets, like me who are here to talk straight, while promoting peace, justice and the higher ideals of the Democratic Party, which is essentially pure democracy. in other words get over it! also talking behind EVERYONES back in PM is sneaky and low as dirt, so avoid that if you want any friends at DU.

I say, let the readers judge us by our journals!

[alcibiades_mystery]

17. LOL

What are you even babbling about now? That was from a specific thread, and it is a specific response. The previous poster had insulted me, and I was responding to what I took to be that poster's insult. The rest is an argument about a specific practice, to wit: street graffiti. In other words, it is completely irrelevant to this thread, though apparently, complete irrelevance doesn't stop you from posting anything. :rofl:

As for your bizarre comment about PM's, I won't even pretend to know what you're imagining there.

Here's the journal entry that DOES have relevance to this thread, O Faithful Reader. You should study it:

The Styles of Troll Accusation
Posted by alcibiades_mystery in General Discussion
Fri Mar 17th 2006, 09:41 AM
The best troll accusation I ever suffered was some extended exegesis on my user name, something along the lines of "You might think it's a 'mystery,' alcibiades_mystery, but me and many others here know what you're up to; we know all about Alcibiades and your mystery has been solved!"

It contained all the classic signs of troll-accusation:

1) The "Half" Accusation - Rarely do the Accusers ever come out and say "Troll!" Rather, they imply that you're up to some nefarious purposes, primarily because they know an outright accusation of trollery is against the rules. Needless to say, this is so cowardly and half-assed that anyone with a shred of dignity can hardly stand it. It has all the subtlety of the street-corner commissar tipping off the secret police to a possible enemy of the state by sly pointing. It's clownish, and people on this site who do it should be ridiculed for it.

2) The "Me-And-All-My-Friends" Gambit - It's amazing to me that grown adults still continue with this junior high school bullshit. In almost every half-accusation of trollery there is some gesture towards the many others who also think so. This is pure, junior high school mean girl rhetoric, and unworthy of decent discourse. Not only don't I like you, it says, but nobody else likes you either. How anyone over the age of twelve could take such nonsense seriously is a mystery indeed. But these folks not only take it seriously; they actually deploy this juvenile rhetoric in public! It's quite shocking that adults conduct themselves in this way.

3) The "We're Watching You" Strategy - In almost any accusation of trollery, there is the implication that you have been surveilled for quite some time. "We've been looking at your posts, see. They are in the - ahem - dossier. You're on file. You've been noted in the building." The extent to which people love and cherish deeply their little fascist tendencies is mostly amusing, but often scary as well.

These are the characteristics of the "troll accusation genre" that I've noticed. Any others?

[Jeffersons Ghost]

18. I was also wondering about that one...

why do so many of your journal entries focus on trolls and other strong accusations directed at you by fellow DUers? I skimmed through several relating to you thinking about serving in Iraq but very little of it suggested you want the atrocities in that country to end. Maybe that's our problem. Do you support the war and president?

[alcibiades_mystery]

19. Oh my

These are not strong accusations. They are cowardly half-assed ad hominems, usually only engaged in by people too weak to argue. They are also against the rules, so the cowards now go deeper and deeper into innuendo, suggesting, but never saying.

If you got the sense from my journal entries that I support this outrageous, illegal war, or this unelected, douchebag fake president, then you need to learn how to read. Finis.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

20. ???

Accusations or "hominems" (homonyms?), why not focus on helping fellow DUers who try to end Iraq horrors and reveal the crimes of all the DC crooks, instead of starting crap on everyone's threads, while trying to bury their OPs under tons of non-issues? I'm not here to debate or call people childish names. How does it make you feel to continue to call people inflammatory juvinile names in public? good? how old are you anyhow? 16? I don't seek fame, recognition or arguments. I've spent many years in media and written news, commercials and even a weekly feature in a small paper. I realize that much I write on DU doesn't reflect that experience but they don't pay writers very well here.

[alcibiades_mystery]

21. More hilarious

You've spent years in written news and you don't know what an ad hominem argument is? This is too funny.

As for childish names, I don't go around accusing every other person of being a freeper. You're clearly not here to debate, in any case, or, at the very least, not ready to.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

22. like I said I'm here to do what i can to end a war not debate.

Do not answer a fool according to his folly or you will be like him yourself. Any fool is wise in his own eyes.

[alcibiades_mystery]

23. Whatever you say

O Wise One...

:eyes:

[Jawja]

3. Well, they planned to use

immigration as a wedge issue but that blew up in their faces, so they are falling back on the old playbook.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

4. hear hear to that! there's some wisdom. thanks jawja

[helderheid]

7. you got it - but this is now blowing up in their faces

[Jeffersons Ghost]

8. thank the One True Bubba for that, helderheid and thanks for the comment

[Jawja]

9. Yeah.

Ain't it NICE????

:evilgrin: :rofl:

[Jeffersons Ghost]

10. it made my day! let them now own the immigration issue.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

11. kick

[Jeffersons Ghost]

16. I guess with no help, I'll just keep it up till the polls close,..

[paparush]

5. Hey, get a wedge issue on the balllot these days, and Diebold will deliver

You could pass Pig Latin as the official language of the 24th Precinct. All options are on the table.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

6. IGPA ATENLA will never be the official language in Mericama while I live!

[Virginia Dare]

24. It is distressing...

did the Chimp fire up his base today, or was he showing us the hand, while Rove was working behind the curtain again?

We've got to stop falling for this crap.

Sorry I kicked so late.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

25. No problem hon... thanks. the polls are closed now and the issue is gone!

poof! like magic