We ALL Must Support RFK

[Octafish]

If anybody knows about stolen elections, it’s Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.



We all must support Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. in his campaign to raise awareness of the stolen presidential election. His name and position as a professor of law make him among the most prominent persons to go on the record and state the 2004 election was stolen.

I agree with Kennedy. Anyone who's ever heard of the Urosevich brothers, optical scan systems and exit polling knows something was horribly wrong in November 2004. What’s hard to believe is how so many people – including a surprising number of those calling themselves Democrats – have taken RFK, Jr. to task for his public position and for his Rolling Stone article that details why he feels that way. If you haven’t, please read the article and pass it on. It’s something people who care about America should at least want to know about.

For if anybody knows about stolen elections, it’s Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. He is the son and the nephew of men who were victims of assassination, the most insidious kind of stolen election.

RFK, Jr. is the nephew of a President who was a man of peace. President John F. Kennedy worked every day in office to keep the peace, make life better for ALL Americans and tried to build a better world. A conspiracy of traitors took his life, stealing the election of 1960.

RFK, Jr. is the son of a man who probably would have become President in 1968. Bobby, Sr. ran on a platform calling for immediate peace in Vietnam. That, he knew, was the course of action his brother had intended for Vietnam. Alas, as with his brother, someone took RFK, Sr.'s life, stealing the election of 1968 before it could be decided at the ballot box.

So, twice in his own family, RFK has seen stolen elections in the most horribly painful way imaginable. He knows of what he speaks and writes.

For the nation, mourning the loss of its leaders means the loss has made the nation poorer in direction and statesmanship. Gone also was Camelot and the idea of making a better life for We the People through fiscal policy, improved public education and fairness in the workplace. Gone was the New Frontier and the promise of a better future.

Most importantly, gone was the idea of a world based on peace. Why? The men who followed him in office were pro-war. And the men who followed Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton have been pro-war, as well. There’s a lesson, for those who want to learn.

I don’t want any more stolen elections. Neither does Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. He, like me, wants a nation led by men and women of integrity -- men and women of peace, who follow the law and uphold the Constitution, including free and fair elections. And that’s why I’m supporting him.

-- Octafish

edit: typo

UNELECTED MORON

[Pierzin]

1. I did, I just subscribed to Rolling Stone!!!

And I am going to make sure that they (at Rolling Stone)know RFK Jr's article is The Main Reason I signed up for a subscription to their rag, which I haven't read or even picked up in at least 15 years. Wow, nice cliffnotes, their Octafish. I didn't know. :hi:

[Octafish]

2. Hi, Pierzin! Here's what Wasserman and Fitrakis wrote...

People are plenty pissed at Bush right now, so they are very receptive to getting the news about the stolen election.

That's why the Rolling Stone article is so important.

Thanks for understanding and giving a damn, Pierzin!

Let's all take advantage of the opportunity.

RFK and Rolling Stone nail Ohio's stolen 2004 election, but much more must be done

By Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman

Online Journal Guest Writers
Jun 5, 2006, 00:44

At Last!!!!

The story of the stolen election of 2004 has FINALLY busted into the mainstream media, thanks to Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., and Rolling Stone Magazine.

We all owe them great thanks.

Now we'll see if there's any further media follow-up. And if the Democratic Party actually DOES SOMETHING about the fact that America is about to be hijacked again in 2006, and then for the third straight presidential race in 2008.

The massive article in this week's RS focuses on the impossible contrast between exit polls showing a clear and overwhelming Kerry victory versus bogus "official" vote counts giving George W. Bush four more catastrophic years in the White House. It also details some of the horrific intimidation, manipulation and outright theft used by Ohio's GOP Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell to deny hundreds of thousands of mostly Democratic voters their right to a ballot. And it discusses in some depth the fact that Diebold and other electronic voting machine and software producers make it possible for any inside operator to use a laptop and a few keystrokes to flip an entire election in a matter of seconds.

It reminds us that the one good thing that can be said about George W. Bush is that the American people have never actually elected him president of the United States.

COONTINUED...

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_869.shtml

The Unelected
Little Turd
from Crawford

[BeFree]

3. I always thought...

...that the day I saw an Octafish post detailing the stolen elections, the issue had arrived front and center. Its here.

Your OP damn near bought tears to my eyes and the only reason it didn't can be explained by the song: Doctor, My Eyes.

RFK Jr. has seen many stolen elections. And here I've been thinking it's just been the last two.

Well, let us hope we grassrooters can get the Dem party leaders to see things as you and RFK Jr. do.

Over in the Election Forum, where I've set up camp, we've been praying the issue would get its due attention. Much work remains to be done, but things are definitely looking up.

Yall come see us now, ya hear?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=203

[Octafish]

14. Thanks, BeFree. My sorry excuse...

...is I've little time to post in more than one forum. For this, I'll try. I have followed the story, but I am nowhere near up to speed to be a commentator. To get better, I promise to check into the Election Forum.

Here's something from another horrible anniversary:

BFEE Stole Your Vote 40 years ago Today!

John F. Kennedy, the man elected President, was publicly executed.

In 1968, Robert F. Kennedy, the slain President's brother who was running for President, was publicly executed.

In 1980, an election was stolen through the traitors behind the October Surprise and President Carter's stolen debate books.

In 1981, shortly a friend of the Bush family almost made vice-president Poppy Bush president, allegedly.

In 1992, Poppy Bush lost an election, thanks to independent and true conservative billionaire Ross Perot siphoning off a significant percentage of his supporters.

In 2000, Vice President Al Gore was elected President, but a 5-4 majority of the US Supreme Court took sides with plaintif George W Bush and appointed him (p)resident.

Does anyone notice a pattern here?

Original Thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=757122

Thank you for the kind words, BeFree.

And thanks for giving a damn about what really matters.

NAZI NUTJOB

[BeFree]

16. Yeah, a pattern

Politics, as a whole, has gone down hill with the losses of one family and the rise of the other. Historically similar to the rise and fall of monarchies through the times, eh?

Come on over to the ER if you have a chance. Heck, I'm not one-tenth the commentator you are, and they let me run around the place. The thing is, as others come in to say their piece, we all get enthused knowing we are not all alone. It helps to know yall got our backs.

[mod mom]

36. Octafish, we sure would welcome your sage comments over at ER forum.

Thanks for posting about the stolen elections. Those of in Ohio, including my friends Bob and Harvey, are determined not to let this issue die until the truth in known. We have been denounced by so many, including members of our own party but it hasn't stopped the determination. Those who take the time to review the evidence with an open mind, are more likely to question the outcome, but those of us who witnessed the blatant suppression and disenfranchisement of so many voters are so sure that we are willing to ignore the disparaging remarks to bring the truth out to everyone.

[upi402]

4. Well RFK jr has had my admiration, and the Rolling Stone has my

first subscription after all these years.

It gets so hard to push and push for decades only to end up going so far backward. I have faint hope now that people will wake up and listen to the chorus of warnings and alarms.

[Octafish]

15. Thanks, upi402. Sandra Day O'Connor says USA in danger of 'Dictatorship'

The smirking cowgirl and friend of Bill "Operation EAGLE EYE" Rehnquist should know.

Why this matters:

Former top judge says US risks edging near to dictatorship

• Sandra Day O'Connor warns of rightwing attacks
• Lawyers 'must speak up' to protect judiciary

Julian Borger in Washington
Monday March 13, 2006
The Guardian

EXCERPT...

Sandra Day O'Connor, a Republican-appointed judge who retired last month after 24 years on the supreme court, has said the US is in danger of edging towards dictatorship if the party's rightwingers continue to attack the judiciary.

In a strongly worded speech at Georgetown University, reported by National Public Radio and the Chicago Daily Law Bulletin, Ms O'Connor took aim at Republican leaders whose repeated denunciations of the courts for alleged liberal bias could, she said, be contributing to a climate of violence against judges.

Ms O'Connor, nominated by Ronald Reagan as the first woman supreme court justice, declared: "We must be ever-vigilant against those who would strong-arm the judiciary."

SNIP...

Mr DeLay later called for the impeachment of judges involved in the Schiavo case, and called for more scrutiny of "an arrogant, out-of-control, unaccountable judiciary that thumbed their nose at Congress and the president".

Such threats, Ms O'Connor said, "pose a direct threat to our constitutional freedom", and she told the lawyers in her audience: "I want you to tune your ears to these attacks ... You have an obligation to speak up.

"Statutes and constitutions do not protect judicial independence - people do," the retired supreme court justice said.

CONTINUED...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0%2C%2C1729396%2C00.html?gusrc=rss

Thanks for giving a damn, upi402! Muy apriciado.

[Swamp Rat]

5. kick and recommended n/t

[Octafish]

58. What we lost, Swamp Rat.

President Kennedy said, "Let's go to the moon and do the other thing, not because they are easy, but because they are hard."

That vision made possible what had been considered impossible since the beginning of man -- a trip to the moon.

Imagine what we could have done to face and conquer the other challenges facing humanity -- from hunger to homelessness to disease to ignorance to want? These, too, could have been solved.

Contrast that with the current ilk occupying the White House, a drunken dyslectic whose Poppy said "We have more will than wallet" in his inaugural address.

[fooj]

6. Thank you for this, Octafish.

It gives me HOPE.

:patriot:

[Octafish]

59. Thank you, fooj!

Thanks to RFK standing up, you know we are not alone. Once enough Americans learn the Truth about the gangsters who run the government, we can do something about them. Then, our votes will be counted.

[me b zola]

7. .

Thanks for reminding us, Octafish. Sometimes it's all a bit overwhelming.


K&R for truth, honor, and integrity.



:kick:




edited because one day I may learn how to spell, but that day hasn't come yet :D

[Octafish]

60. RFK on the death of Martin Luther King, Jr.

I have bad news for you, for all of our fellow
citizens, and people who love peace all over
the world, and that is that Martin Luther King
was shot and killed tonight.

Martin Luther King dedicated his life to love
and to justice for his fellow human beings, and
he died because of that effort.

In this difficult day, in this difficult time for the
United States, it is perhaps well to ask what
kind of a nation we are and what direction we
want to move in. For those of you who are
black -- considering the evidence their evidently
is that there were white people who were
responsible -- you can be filled with bitterness,
with hatred, and a desire for revenge. We can
move in that direction as a country, in great
polarization -- black people amongst black,
white people amongst white, filled with hatred
toward one another.

Or we can make an effort, as Martin Luther King
did, to understand and to comprehend, and to
replace that violence, that stain of bloodshed
that has spread across our land, with an effort
to understand with compassion and love.

For those of you who are black and are tempted
to be filled with hatred and distrust at the injustice
of such an act, against all white people, I can only
say that I feel in my own heart the same kind of
feeling. I had a member of my family killed, but he
was killed by a white man. But we have to make an
effort in the United States, we have to make an
effort to understand, to go beyond these rather
difficult times.

My favorite poet was Aeschylus. He wrote:
"In our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop
by drop upon the heart until, in our own despair,
against our will, comes wisdom through the awful
grace of God."

What we need in the United States is not division;
what we need in the United States is not hatred;
what we need in the United States is not violence or
lawlessness; but love and wisdom, and compassion
toward one another, and a feeling of justice toward
those who still suffer within our country, whether
they be white or they be black.

So I shall ask you tonight to return home, to say a
prayer for the family of Martin Luther King, that's true,
but more importantly to say a prayer for our own
country, which all of us love -- a prayer for
understanding and that compassion of which I spoke.
We can do well in this country. We will have difficult
times; we've had difficult times in the past; we will
have difficult times in the future. It is not the end of
violence; it is not the end of lawlessness; it is not the
end of disorder.

But the vast majority of white people and the vast
majority of black people in this country want to live
together, want to improve the quality of our life, and
want justice for all human beings who abide in our land.
Let us dedicate to ourselves to what the Greeks
wrote so many years ago: to tame the savageness of
man and make gentle the life of this world.

Let us dedicate ourselves to that, and say a prayer for
our country and for our people.

SOURCE: http://home.att.net/~jrhsc/rfk.html

What our nation has missed for 38 years, me b zola; it makes me cry.

Thanks for giving a damn, my Friend. Much obliged.

IGNORAMUS
ET IGNORAMI

[WiseButAngrySara]

8. This post made me cry! Of course I support RFK! I love truth. I've

sent this article to many, and will continue to do so. When I read about it on DU, I wanted to start a thread for DU authors (you, H20 Man, Symbolman, Pitt, etc.) to post a DU thread of support for him (I started similar thread requests in the past for Reid and Murtha, and Pitt was the one who responded) that could be sent to him when completed. Let's make this a support thread!

Caroline Kennedy was on the Daily Show tonight, and her choice for Profiles in Courage was Murtha! I was so overjoyed to hear that! RFK too, deserves a 'profile in courage' for what he has written and researched.

As usual, your post has made me reflect; this time on the Presidents of Peace and on the Presidents of War. It is quite telling. And, ironically, the ones who profess to love the Prince of Peace the most vocally, are actually the proponents of War. (Christ spoke about the hypocrites praying in public...)

K & R Octafish. I love your posts!

[Octafish]

62. Thank you, WiseButAngrySara. Sorry to make you cry.

Your suggestion for a support thread is humbling. The reason I posted this to try and get people aware of the nature of the leadership our nation lost. America once held the promise of making anything possible. That would include making life better for ALL Americans. No matter what the murderers of President John F. Kennedy and Senator Robert F. Kennedy think -- because of their ideas and ideals, we can and will carry on their work. Thank you for caring, WiseButAngrySara.

[TheUnspeakable]

9. I bought a bunch of them...

I've been handing them out to people who come into my work- I support RFK all the way!!!!!!

[blm]

44. That's a great act of patriotism - Salute to you and your efforts.

[Name removed]

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[Bridget Burke]

19. The Kennedys are hardly "Aryan"....

Whatever that means--anthropologically, the term is out of fashion.

And the KKK has always been quite anti-Catholic.

[rucky]

20. Why don't you judge their actions? n/t

[robcon]

11. I support him in general.

But I think his faith in exit polls is misplaced (they haven't been accurate in any other election) so I don't think his hypothesis is proven.

[Chemical Bill]

42. Do you have any evidence?

>But I think his faith in exit polls is misplaced (they haven't been accurate in any other election)

I would like to see anything you have to back this up. Exit polls were used to judge elections in Georgia and the Ukraine.

Bill

[blm]

45. Except they coincide with the Las Vegas oddsmakers who are never wrong

to the degree this last election made them. Same with John Zogby. Until this last election.

[DrDebug]

12. For They That Sow the Wind Shall Reap the Whirlwind

“For They That Sow the Wind Shall Reap the Whirlwind”
Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

08.29.2005

As Hurricane Katrina dismantles Mississippi’s Gulf Coast, it’s worth recalling the central role that Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour played in derailing the Kyoto Protocol and kiboshing President Bush’s iron-clad campaign promise to regulate CO2.

(...)

The document, titled “Bush-Cheney Energy Policy & CO2,” was addressed to Vice President Cheney, whose energy task force was then gearing up, and to several high-ranking officials with strong connections to energy and automotive concerns keenly interested in the carbon dioxide issue, including Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham, Interior Secretary Gale Norton, Commerce Secretary Don Evans, White House chief of staff Andy Card and legislative liaison Nick Calio. Barbour pointedly omitted the names of Whitman and Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill, both of whom were on record supporting CO2 caps. Barbour’s memo chided these administration insiders for trying to address global warming which Barbour dismissed as a radical fringe issue.

“A moment of truth is arriving,” Barbour wrote, “in the form of a decision whether this Administration’s policy will be to regulate and/or tax CO2 as a pollutant. The question is whether environmental policy still prevails over energy policy with Bush-Cheney, as it did with Clinton-Gore.” He derided the idea of regulating CO2 as “eco-extremism,” and chided them for allowing environmental concerns to “trump good energy policy, which the country has lacked for eight years.”

The memo had impact. “It was terse and highly effective, written for people without much time by a person who controls the purse strings for the Republican Party,” said John Walke, a high-ranking air quality official in the Clinton administration.

On March 13, Bush reversed his previous position, announcing he would not back a CO2 restriction using the language and rationale provided by Barbour. Echoing Barbour’s memo, Bush said he opposed mandatory CO2 caps, due to “the incomplete state of scientific knowledge” about global climate change.

(...)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/afor-they-that-sow-the-_b_6396.html

Recommended of course

[TacticalPeek]

13. K&R

:kick:

[AllieB]

17. KICK

[bryant69]

18. How do we support him?

By blindly following his arguments and not questioning them? Or by supporting his right to make them?

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[BeFree]

24. There comes a time...

... when leaders come to a well studied conclusion, that our only recourse is to accept their ideas and use their conclusions to guide the general direction of political movement.

Given that what we are up against is nothing less than the big money, anti-democratic, pro-fascists, and a leader such as RFK comes out solidly questioning their motives and results, then yes, get behind him, solidly.

[bryant69]

28. Not my way

I guess that makes me a bad liberal -but I don't find him completely convincing. And I'm not sure his approach to the issues is the most effective tack we could take.

[BeFree]

29. Well then...

...stand all alone.... nope, not alone, stand with the powers that be.

Being a student of election anomalies and the like, I find RFK to be quite correct in his writings and questioning if the election was stolen.

Put simply and narrowly, there is no proof the election was NOT stolen, so any questioning of how it might have been stolen should get the support of anyone truly interested in whether or not the government truly has the consent of the people.

[bryant69]

31. I love that logic

"There's no proof that you aren't guilty of a crime, so off to jail you go."

Very convienent.

Bryant

[BeFree]

33. So...

...you hold that I am supposed to prove the election was stolen?

The question of guilt or innocence does not factor into this. The government should be able to prove to me that it has the consent of the governed. It can't, or it won't.

Either way should be unacceptable to any one truly concerned about who sits in power as a governor of the people.

[bryant69]

34. Yes if you are a saying something happened

It's up to you to prove that it happened. What could be simpler than that?

And Kennedy, at least, seems to understand that. I don't find his proof completely convincing - but at least he presents some.

Bryant

[BeFree]

38. That is where you are so wrong...

...it is not up to me. If that were the case, why even have elections? Why not just let whoever wants to rule, rule? Let the most powerful take over as king of the hill.

That's how it used to be, pre-independence. Are you sure you are on the correct website, or are you just being obstinate?

[bryant69]

40. I'm pretty sure I'm at the right website

I just choose not to walk in lockstep with the zealots. Makes me might unpopular at times, but I suppose that's the price one has to pay.

[Chemical Bill]

41. You are right, sir.

>Yes if you are a saying something happened, it's up to you to prove that it happened. What could be simpler than that?

Yes, it is that simple. The US government is saying that an honest vote happened in 2004. You are correct, it is up to them to prove that it did. I have not seen the proof, while I have seen plenty of evidence that it didn't.

Bill

[nebenaube]

43. actually his logic and your logic...

are apples and oranges, it's not even comperable.

[bryant69]

47. Which one am I? The Apple?

[BrklynLiberal]

51. Have you read this? Not just OP..entire thread has good points.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2661019

[Octafish]

52. I'd say support RFK in his work to get HONEST ELECTIONS.

That way, the Republic would function as a democracy. Again.

[BrklynLiberal]

53. This might be worth your reading

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=215665&mesg_id=215665

[bleever]

21. Few people have lost both a father and an uncle the way RFK Jr. has.

K&R

[earth mom]

22. I support RFK Jr. 100%!!! RFK Jr. For President!!!

:applause:

[myrna minx]

23. K&R.

:kick:

[Nictuku]

25. I was traveling

I was traveling this weekend, and couldn't find the new issue on my trip out, but did find it in the airport on my way back in.

I carried the paper with the front page (big text WAS 2004 STOLEN?) facing out and was watching people's reactions. I was able to get 3 people to read it!! One was a skeptic, but he was open minded enough to read the article, and he was disturbed by some of the revelations.

All the people I spoke to said they were going to spread the word, get their own copy and show it to others.

Does anyone know if there is an online version of this article available?

[DrDebug]

26. It's a "hidden" link in the OP

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen

[Nictuku]

27. Thank you!!

I will continue to spread the word.

[marions ghost]

46. Same here.

I was in NYC...couldn't find a copy of Rolling Stone anywhere--sold out. Gonna send the link to the online version around.

This is an excellent and timely article. RFK Jr deserves the (figurative) roses...The Stick Your Neck Out Award. This is a huge contribution to the question of What Happened in 04.

[stepnw1f]

30. Here's a Kick!! (nt)

[blossomstar]

57. Another KICK! Yeah!

So happy to see that someone FINALLY had the guts to speak publicly!

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

32. I live in the same Congressional District as he does and he has

been a driving force for environmental issues here for years. In fact, I emailed him to run for Congress here. I never heard back from him, but I do have a Fantastic candidate running now, John Hall, and last week Bobby interviewed him on Ring of Fire!!!!

I cannot be happier that he has spread his wings and decided to take on the stolen election. He is doing his father proud.

[ooglymoogly]

35. yes indeed we must

it it the same evil forces that killed rfk and jfk that have now stolen our government and out country.

[SeattleRob]

37. agree and kick!

He is one of the Democrats who actually has a spine. Go RFK!

[myrna minx]

39. A big kick for RFK Jr.!

:kick:

[BrklynLiberal]

48. kicked and recommended!

[Joe Fields]

49. Let me see... How do I put this, without incurring the wrath of a

devoted, but blind Democratic Underground republic?

First, I must say that John Kennedy had few bigger devotees than my mother, my father, and my family. I was taken by my father to see John Kennedy give a stump speech during the '60 campaign. I was five years old, and it made a lasting impression.

But, I am not blind, and I do know my history. The fact is that John Kennedy would never have become president, were it not for a deal his father made with the Chicago mafia and the Democratic machine there.

So, even though I loved John Kennedy, and still hold him in the highest esteem, if you want to talk about rigged elections, you must not be blind to his election, nor the irony of RFK Jr., who has exposed the '04 election for the fraudulent one that it was.

Remember, being a Democrat should not make you blind to the truth.

[ramblin_dave]

50. I thought this had been debunked ...

Nixon's lawyers looked into irregularities in Illinois and other states. Some were found but not enough to make a difference. Even if Illinois had gone to Nixon, JFK would have won anyway. Isn't that correct?

[H2O Man]

55. Correct.

JFK would have won without the state. The "Chicago" myth is just that -- a myth that people familiar with the election have discredited and dismissed long ago.

[Joe Fields]

61. Not true. I don't know how you can say it was debunked.

The Chicago machine, with the help of the mafia counted more democratic votes than there were registered voters in key pricincts. Many of the votes that were counted came from names of tombstones in graveyards.

The debunking of this may just be wishful thinking on your part.

Doesn't mean I think any less of one of the greatest leaders in our history.

[ramblin_dave]

65. Recent study plus other links

http://www.newcriminologist.co.uk/news.asp?id=556982538

On Monday, March 20, 2006, a University of Illinois at Chicago organized crime historian and researcher released an analysis of voting totals from the 1960 presidential election, which finally debunks claims that the Chicago Mob played a significant role in tilting the election to John F. Kennedy.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-mob21.html

http://www.slate.com/id/91350/

http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/10/nixon/index.html

[Joe Fields]

66. Slate's article admits that it remains an unsolvable mystery,

that nothing can really be proven either way. But there are the Sam Giancana interviews, as well as anecdotal evidence that Joe Kennedy gave the mob money to put out the vote. And four election officials were convicted of election fraud.

You could make an argument that the 1960 election wasn't tainted, but I believe there is more evidence to the contrary, than the suppositions of one university professor.

Let's not forget the fact that Kennedy was looked upon as too young by many people, as well as the fact that he was Catholic, which bothered even more people. So, even though the vote total in key pricincts in Chicago were found to be not much more different than those of Adlai Stevenson four years before, the vote count would have been much less, were the fix not in.

[dailykoff]

67. Some credit also goes to Daley

for drafting Chicago voters. And here's what I don't get about this story: aren't Chicago and Illinois reliably Democratic anyway, and weren't they in 1960? So why would cemetary votes be needed?

[ramblin_dave]

68. Yous started out claiming a rigged election, now

you seem to argue that maybe it's unsolvable. Your last paragraph is pure speculation on your part, not 'facts' we shouldn't forget.

Anyway, If Illinois had gone to Nixon, Kennedy would have won anyway despite any alleged mob rigging.

[H2O Man]

54. Way wrong. n/t

[Octafish]

56. 1960 Electoral College JFK: 303 RMN: 219

Illinois made zero difference.

Fitrakis and Wasserman do a nice job of explaining:

RFK and Rolling Stone nail Ohio's stolen 2004 election, but much more must be done

By Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman
Online Journal Guest Writers
Jun 5, 2006, 00:44

EXCERPT...

In 1960, Bobby Kennedy's uncle Jack won what was until then the closest election in US history amidst charges that the vote count in Chicago -- -and thus the presidency -- -had been stolen. No doubt many Foxist right-wing bloviators will bring this up as Kennedy travels the talk show circuit.

But it's a lie. It is likely many graveyards voted in Chicago for JFK in 1960. But many also voted for Nixon downstate. And though right-wingers have portrayed Nixon as a "great patriot" for (reluctantly) declining to fight that election's outcome, in fact he could have carried Illinois and still not won the presidency. JFK won the Electoral College that year 303 to 219. Illinois gave him 27 electoral votes. You do the math.

CONTINUED...

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_869.shtml

http://www.uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/

UNELECTED, LYING
GIGGLING, MURDERING
WARMONGER MONKEY TURD

[Joe Fields]

63. The election fraud in the 1960 election produced ....

a 51 electoral vote difference, (Illinois and Texas) or a 102 vote swing, which would have been enough to put Nixon in the White House.

Election officials and federal judges didn't have a taste for disputing election results, and Nixon publically refused to challenge the final results. (although, behind the scenes he did all he could to get other people to dispute them. Since Eisenhower refused to back a challenge the matter was subsequently dropped.

[Joe Fields]

64. Oh, and god bless Bobby Kennedy, the brightest hope for

the future this country ever had. His assassination was the ultimate robbery of the promise of great leadership, as well as a certain end to Vietnam.

I cannot help it, but I often wonder just how different this country would have been, had he become president.

Eight years of Bobby Kennedy, in the one of the most critical eras of our history would have been so important....