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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 03:04 PM
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Some Abramoff wrinkles I came over
OK, so I was doing some research on South Africa, and suddenly the name Jack Abramoff jumps out at me.

I didn't follow that event too closely, so I don't know if these has been posted before, or if there's any significance tied to this, but here's a couple of interesting links - this is a social connection map:

http://www.namebase.org/cgi-bin/nb06?_ABRAMOFF_JACK_

A list comes up when you're zooming on the name

ABRAMOFF JACK
South Africa 1983

Bellant,R. Old Nazis. 1989 (64-5)
Council for National Policy. Mailing List. 1984
Council for National Policy. Member Participants. 1984
Covert Action Information Bulletin 1988-#30 (63)
Covert Action Information Bulletin 1989-#31 (62-3)
Covert Action Quarterly 1993-#45 (8)
Herman,E. O'Sullivan,G. The Terrorism Industry. 1989 (103)
Lobster Magazine (Britain) 1988-#16 (19)
New York Times 2005-04-18 (A1, 14)
New York Times 2005-04-29 (A21)
Rampton,S. Stauber,J. Banana Republicans. 2004 (103)
Top Secret (Germany) 1993-F (21)
Washington Post 1984-10-04 (A1, 32)
Washington Post 1985-07-27 (A10)
Washington Post 1985-08-11 (A17)

http://www.namebase.org/cgi-bin/nb01?_ABRAMOFF_JACK_

What's this info, I'll appreciate if anyone could explain what the namebase.org are :-)
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 03:12 PM
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1. namebase is one of the oldest "conspiracy" research databases
Edited on Sun Jun-04-06 03:16 PM by leveymg
It's a simple relational search tool that links names with published mentions in books and newspapers.

It has a social network mapping feature that can be useful. Check it out.

As for Abramoff, yes, he has deep ties to the S. African extreme right. But, that's not his date or place of birth -- it's probably the year and place of first mention in a press clipping in the NBase files. Other sources show he was born in NJ in 1958, which is obvious, at least as far as his age. See, http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Jack_Abramoff:_Profiles
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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 03:33 PM
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3. Thanks
Edited on Sun Jun-04-06 03:35 PM by mogster
This is interesting. Do you have any references to those ties?
I didn't believe he was born in 1983, though ;-)

I'm on track when it comes to South Africa and US ties because I'm doing some research concerning propaganda operations between 1974 and 1978. According to the notorious Eschel Rhoodie, there was a number of operations ongoing directed towards the US from the SA apartheid regime.

Here's a couple of scans from Rhoodie's book:





The South African 'track' is very interesting in painting the nature of the neoconservative Christian branch.

On edit: added links
Connie Mulder, Secretary of Information, 1968 - 1978:
http://www.sahistory.org.za/pages/people/mulder-c.htm
The story of Muldergate:
http://www.africacrime-mystery.co.za/books/fsac/chp19.htm
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 03:17 PM
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2. Not born in 1983, but ...
a quote from Wikipedia "In 1983 with Abramoff in control, the CRNC passed a resolution condemning "deliberate planted propaganda by the KGB and Soviet proxy forces" against the government of South Africa, at a time when the government of South Africa was under worldwide criticism for the Apartheid regime."

CRNC being college republicans.

Yeah, I think namebase is just a list of references. So that a list of places where you'll find the name Jack Abramoff.
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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 03:38 PM
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4. I agree
Interesting doctitles, though ;-)

Here's from one link:

Herman, Edward S. and O'Sullivan, Gerry. The "Terrorism" Industry: The Experts and Institutions That Shape Our View of Terror. New York: Pantheon Books, 1989. 312 pages.
If they don't support U.S. interests we call them "terrorists," but wrap the same activity in a different flag it is always done by "counter- terrorists" or "freedom fighters." This is the first vocabulary lesson to be learned from Washington's McMedia talking heads and think tank mandarins.

The authors describe the experts, examine their many overlapping links with Western intelligence, lobbyists, the security industry, and corporate foundations, and even tabulate their usage of the word "terrorism" in some of their books. They also look at state vs. nonstate terrorism, and the PLO's overpublicized terrorism as opposed to Israel's "sacred" terrorism in terms of the numbers killed, to make the point that media coverage is highly selective. "The mass media, whose structural links to government and the corporate system are already potent, and who are therefore already inclined to accept a state line, are driven further toward closure by the fact that the experts, whose credentials are from affiliation with institutions specializing in terrorism, are supplied them by the industry collective. These experts all follow the approved semantics and model and select and fit facts accordingly.... This reflects an effective propaganda system."
ISBN 0-679-72559-8

http://www.namebase.org/sources/OC.html
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