Yesterday I bought my copy of "Rolling Stone". Did you?

[CatWoman]

If not, do you plan to?

The False-Fake Debate over RFK Jr's Rolling Stone Article Started by Salon Ignores Democracy and What's Important

But there's a better way to understand this debate over the sufficiency of evidence, one that shows why 2004 is so important. Elections fundamentally shifted in the late 90s by the advent of electronic voting and that shift was increased greatly in 2002 with the passage of the Help America Vote Act and its $3.8 billion in funding for electronic voting machines to be installed around the country, with the HAVA addition of legal requirements that generally favor electronic voting.

Articles like Manjoo's, though probably well intended, are doing what Jon Stewart said CrossFire was doing when he went on CrossFire and said:

Please...
Stop.
Please.

You're h-u-r-t-i-n-g democracy. Please stop.

Stewart was both comical but deeply serious. Many agreed that the muckraking debate on crossfire was fake debate.

I'm no comedian so all I can do is be serious. To go with fake debate still alive on non-canceled shows, we've got fake elections designed to give out little or no evidence. Thus, we can always have a debate over the sufficiency of the evidence no matter whether the election was actually stolen, or not.

The very debatability of 2004 (when I assume Manjoo is totally right for the sake of argument) means that democracy is dying or dead. Mock me if you like at [e-mail], but it's time for all good men and women to come to the aid of their country. Seriously.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_paul_r___060604_the_false_fake_debat.htm


link to Salon's "rebuttal": http://salon.com/news/feature/2006/06/03/kennedy/index_np.html

[Vinca]

1. It takes the mule train about 5 days to get it to the hinterlands,

but when it appears I plan to buy it.

[cascadiance]

2. Yup, I bought it along with "The Nation" at my B&N with my B&N card...

... on my way home from Costco and Trader Joes... Hope that sends some clarification as to what kind of things I buy to them!

[MADem]

3. You can access the RS article online, as well

Those clicks count, too. Advertisers might be well-pleased to continue advertising with RS, given that the piece is quite popular reading:
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen

[CatWoman]

5. Oh, I already printed out the on-line version

but I just had to give Rolling Stone my business by buying the mag.

I used to subscribe to them ages ago. :hi:

[agincourt]

4. Got it today and read it.

It removed the last shred of doubt in my mind that our elections aren't illegal. We have a Washington full of clownasses setting policies and writting legistlation that aren't legally elected. The stuff voted on in congress shouldn't be happening because they damn well shouldn't be there. Likewise in the whitehouse we have a piece of slit-eyed texas ratshit that shouldn't damn well be there either. All legistlation since 2000 should be overturned, because it isn't coming from a legal government. Also all federal court justices picked by the GOPigs should be removed. They don't belong on the bench warming their pilodial cyst asses. We will be held accoutable in the world for policies that we didn't vote for. What will it take? Nationwide strike? Revolution? Refusal collectively to pay taxes?. We are a nation under occupation of a foreign power, conservative repigs. When will it end?

[CatWoman]

6. make sure you read the Salon rebuttal

link in my Original post: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/06/03/kennedy/

:puke:

[bobbieinok]

8. WHAT IS IT WITH SALON?????????

NO evidence of vote stealing????????

[upi402]

7. YES! and subscribed too!!!

But I got the 1,000 issue collector's edition -the only one I could find in 6 locations. I read the Kennedy article online. Damn neocon churchin area I live in doesn't carry lefty publications.

[Jim Sagle]

9. Hell yeah.

[applegrove]

10. RFK's article goes into all manner of voter suppression and admits

there is no smoking gun on voting machines. We need to keep our eyes and ears open to all forms of voter suppression. And admit when we don't have exacting proof of "one" type: stolen votes by machine.