Will Pitt suggests saving email addresses in case the net goes down.

[Jigarotta]

""People here back then really, truly felt like they were working an "underground" back then. (Sidebar: after 9/11, we were all worried that the whole internet would get shut down in some draconian recinding-of-posse-commitatus lockdown, and so I organized a collection of email addresses in the event DU went down, so we could all keep in touch. Yeah, it was that important, and that scary, back then)""

can someone explain this to me, because I'm having a bit of trouble with that notion.

[SeattleGirl]

1. Your answer is in your post. Will said "in the event DU went down"

not the Internet.

:hi:

[Jigarotta]

8. nope, it's the whole internet, not just DU...

""we were all worried that the whole internet would get shut down ""

[bananas]

10. The internet isn't the only transport mechanism for email.

UUCP etc.

[SeattleGirl]

18. My bad.

I think my brain totally skipped that sentence!

[longship]

2. Port blocking?

The WWW works on TCP port 80. I presume that if somebody wanted to shut it down, they'd block port 80 in the key Net routers.

That wouldn't stop WWW traffic if people knew that they could put a Web server on any port. However, in order to communicate that port to the group, e-mail (or something like it) would be required.

In my opinion, Mr. Pitt is wrong. It is impossible to shut down the Net, especially the WWW. So much commerce is conducted on the Web that shutting it down would have immediate and severe economic consequences.

[Swamp Rat]

12. Yeah, and we gots lots of ports!

Then we can send out carrier pigeons with little novelties attached telling everyone which port to use. Or how 'bout smoke signals??? :D

[Jigarotta]

13. immediate and severe economic consequences....

for those of us not able to grab the billions before the big fall.

what economic consequences are there for the 1%-ers when they've already grabbed the cash?

[Wonk]

3. Reading comprehension skills are your friend :-)

I doubt he cares what your main e-mail address is. I know I don't.

[Jigarotta]

9. huh? what's my email address have to do with this topic?

or if I'm 'graced' or not with being on it or not?

wtf?

[magellan]

4. If the net goes down

...I don't think email will work reliably either. For any major portion of the net to go down I think that would mean DNS servers had been stopped by some means. Mail servers rely on DNS too, don't they?

I think Will may have been referring to his contingency plan in case DU was shut down, though without seeing his entire text it's only a guess.

[snot]

5. Yes, but there are MANY interested in developing selective blocking . . .

By whatever means necessary. If China can block access to certain sites, why can't others?

[regnaD kciN]

6. I seem to recall, at one point in the early days...

...the admins were also seriously considering setting up a "backup" site for DU on a server in Canada, in case the regular site got shut down by the authorities.

It may have been right after 9/11, but I keep thinking it was somewhat later. :shrug:

[bananas]

7. Exactly what notion do you have trouble with?

And why?
I presume you're referring to this post by WilliamPitt:
"Back stories and apologies, of sorts..."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1342857&mesg_id=1342857

[Jigarotta]

11. the Whole Internet Would Get Shut Down.

is Canada or DU excluded from the Whole Internet?

define whole internet for me again, please.

[Jigarotta]

15. I copied/pasted from Pitts thread.

directly quoted.
It's a behemoth one so I thought I'd start a new fresh hell as even on cable the 'loading' is cumbersome.

[Balbus]

14. Jeez, I hope it doesn't go down for 24 business hours...

Who knows when it would come back up again... :shrug:

[Jigarotta]

16. you on the Mayan calendar?

or gregorian or julian? nuclear clock or sundial or Rolex?
time is funny that way.

[northamericancitizen]

17. How many ways and for how long are you going to pursue

your childish and so transparent goal?

No, I am not going to make it easy for you in explaining what I mean.

Either you are too obtuse to realized what you have been doing in the last few weeks... or you are a true demagogue hanging out with us Duers with the sole purpose of systematically distilled your poison.

So, mister or miss, stop pretending you are a naive, innocent Duer who wants a legitimate answer.

nac

P.S. I indulged myself in writing this negative post. But this is as far as I will go regarding your insidious and demagogic posts. Don't expect further reactions or acknowledgments.



edited by me

[Jigarotta]

19. I expect nothing of you for myself.

this is not personal. don't make it so, for your own good.

just think.

[aquart]

20. I believe you that it's not "personal."

Oh, I definitely believe you about that.

[Jigarotta]

22. believe me or not, it's your choice

and no skin off my teeth.

The only personal thing about this whole soap operaish stupidity started by a Demi God here, is...
I'll believe you, maybe, when you get your act together. Your act here is way bigger than mine - prove a positive.

I'm not hearing that.

[Name removed]

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[Jigarotta]

24. ya got me, false stories make me less believing

specially if they wear white hats.

I have no personalness with any actors in this scenario.
But I have been slightlly personally assaulted by the lies.

I'll get over the disapointment (BECAUSE I REALLY WANTED THAT PORK RIND TO FRY ON MAY 12, ON MY SISTERS BIRTHDAY). That's life.
I can get over it not happening, but I can't get over being called a Rove Apologist, or a wot wot, a daring wot wot profiless SUSPECT because I asked questions.

[Syrinx]

21. the telephone/cable companies are bribing congress to kill the internet

To set up a tiered internet, something anathema to the origins of it. (Or so we are led to believe.)

It is a pet theory of mine, that the internet (constructed by U.S. military intelligence) was always intended, and always has been, a method of collecting intelligence on American citizens.

But if free expression outweighed the intelligence benefit to the powers that be, it could be neutered, and destroyed.

And that's exactly what we are seeing in the halls of Congress today.

[Jigarotta]

23. appreciate your comments, but the opening post

quote was made todayish (timezoneish, don't want to get slapped for That!, lawyer up!)

[Supply Side Jesus]

25. Not since Kevin Costner in "The Postman" ....

have I taken the mail delivery system for granted. Thank you Will Pitt.

[LeftCoast]

27. Locking

Calling out another member is against the rules.