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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 01:01 AM
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"killing terrorists is not our mission. It’s to kill innocent civilians."
...video cameras are lightweight and digital technology has cut out the need for processing. Having captured a firefight on video, a soldier can create a movie and distribute it via e-mail, uncensored by the military. With editing software such as Avid and access to Internet connections on military bases here, U.S. soldiers are creating fast-paced, MTV-style music videos using images from actual firefights and killings....

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The result: an abundance of photographs and video footage depicting mutilation, death and destruction that soldiers collect and trade like baseball cards....


“We kill innocent Iraqi civilians all the time. That’s the way it is. I believe they need to withdraw all foreign military troops in Iraq right away. And I say this about other soldiers: to avoid punishment or reprisals by the military, they don’t want to talk and admit that killing terrorists is not our mission. It’s to kill innocent civilians.”

That’s the way the Il Manifesto interview with Jimmy Massey went. He’s from the little town of Waynesville, North Carolina. He has decided to draw back the veil of silence from the “noble mission” in Iraq. Discharged from the Marine Corps for medical reasons, he has written a diary, “Cowboys from Hell,” which will be published at the end of the summer.

“What was your rank in Iraq?”

“I was a sergeant with the Third Marine Battalion during the invasion, in the spring of 2003.”

http://www.sfbayview.com/030905/amarine030905.shtml

"Does that mean every single person in the military does that?"

No but way to many are.

what they did to the Civillians in Fallujah.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/NIM411A.html

The convention also regulates the treatment of civilians in occupied territories and forbids “grave breaches,” including the “willful killing, torture or inhuman treatment” of civilians,” but this is precisely what happened in Falluja last April. “All of the Middle East and indeed the whole world is now extremely suspicious that US Marine forces slaughtered civilians in Fallujah indiscriminately,” Joseph Arrieta wrote at the time

( http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/04/05/20_ ... ).

“Not only that, it appears Marine snipers did a lot of killing. This is not some errant bomb or missile that created ‘collateral damage,’ it’s the alleged deliberate, careful sighting of civilian targets with spotters targeting men, women, children and ambulances,” all war crimes. “According to the relatively few media reports of what took place there, some 600 Iraqis were killed during these two weeks, among them some 450 elderly people, women and children,”

Orit Shohat reported for Haaretz on April 28th ( http://www.uruknet.info/?colonna=m&p=2261 ).

The sight of decapitated children, the rows of dead women and the shocking pictures of the soccer stadium that was turned into a temporary grave for hundreds of the slain—all were broadcast to the world only by the Al Jazeera network. During the operation in Falluja, according to the organization Doctors Without Borders, U.S. Marines even occupied the hospitals and prevented hundreds of the wounded from receiving medical treatment. Snipers fired from the rooftops at anyone who tried to approach.



by Raul Mahajan
April 11, 2004

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I had heard these claims at third-hand before coming into Fallujah, but was skeptical. It's very difficult to find the real story here. But this I saw for myself. An ambulance with two neat, precise bullet-holes in the windshield on the driver's side, pointing down at an angle that indicated they would have hit the driver's chest (the snipers were on rooftops, and are trained to aim for the chest). Another ambulance again with a single, neat bullet-hole in the windshield. There's no way this was due to panicked spraying of fire. These were deliberate shots to kill people in driving the ambulances.

The ambulances go around with red, blue, or green lights flashing and sirens blaring; in the pitch-dark of a blacked-out city there is no way they can be missed or mistaken for something else). An ambulance that some of our compatriots were going around in, trading on their whiteness to get the snipers to let them through to pick up the wounded was also shot at while we were there.

http://zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=15&ItemID=5304
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haab Donating Member (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 02:34 AM
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1. How concerned are Americans at the willful killing of civilians?
I find that most, especially the media, view it as a Damage control exercises. Very little remorse is expressed even when it's innocent children the women on the receiving end.. and it's very very quickly forgotten as well.

I don't understand what's become of us. How can it be allowed to continue...? Do the majority truly condone such actions...?

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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 02:47 AM
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2. There's so much BS flying around no one really knows what to believe
What the rw can't squelch it twists up with reasonable doubt, giving those who don't want to believe an excuse not to. And who wants to believe American soldiers are committing massacres?

Propaganda and rhetoric. BushCo have taken these concepts to such amazing heights, Goebbels would be awed.
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haab Donating Member (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 06:59 AM
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3. No there isn't much BS flying around....
...The truth is there if you want to know.

Most just turn their backs, because the truth hurts.


Believe it. America soldiers are committing massacres.... and BuchCo knows it is happening.

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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 09:23 AM
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4. One of PNAC's stated goals
is POPULATION REDUCTION. The POLICY of exterminating Iraqis comes from the top.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 08:15 PM
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7. I see you know your PNAC
The modern day blue print for global fascism
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 08:25 PM
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9. The trolls should show up on this thread soon.
You know who you are MF's
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 08:11 PM
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6. I think the majority are Repulsed by such actions
as any normal person would be.

The media knows this only to well
so like you said it's an exercise in damage control for them.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 07:14 AM
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11. Americans seem quite content with
out of sight, out of mind.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 09:26 AM
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5. Reply from 30% of Amerikans..."Glass em"
America is a sick nation. It is ingrained in our society. We have a love affair going on with guns and violence. It is not a matter of a few soldiers "snapping". This is something that runs quite deep into our society. The USA has more peacetime injuries and death from guns than the rest of the world combined. That is just not healthy...
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 08:23 PM
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8. Yes Bowling for Columbine makes that crystal clear
"A free gun with every new bank account you open"

That's pretty whacked IMO.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 09:17 PM
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10. US confronts brutal culture among its finest sons
cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat Jun-03-06 07:57 PM
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US confronts brutal culture among its finest sons

In the wake of the Haditha massacre come further allegations of outlaw killings in Iraq. They add to growing unease about US military culture that fails to distinguish civilian from insurgent. American veterans of the war in Iraq have described a culture of casual violence, revenge and prejudice against Iraqi civilians that has made the killing of innocent bystanders a common occurrence.

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Some American veterans have expressed little surprise at the latest revelations. 'I don't doubt for one moment that these things happened. They are widespread. This is the norm. These are not the exceptions,' said Camilo Mejia, a US infantry veteran who served briefly in the Haditha area in 2003. American veterans have told The Observer of a military culture that places little practical emphasis on avoiding civilian casualties in the heat of battle, although they also point out the huge problems of urban fighting against a tough enemy that often hides within the civilian Iraqi community. 'In these circumstances you would be surprised at how any normal human being can see their morals degenerate so they can do these things,' said Garrett Reppenhagen, a former US sniper.

Mejia, who has served time in jail for refusing to return to Iraq for a second tour of duty, said there was widespread prejudice against Iraqis in his unit, and that Iraqis were routinely referred to as 'Hajis' in the same way that local people during the Vietnam war were called 'gooks' or 'Charlie'. 'We dehumanise the enemy under these circumstances,' said Mejia. 'They called them gooks in Vietnam and we called them Hajis in Iraq.'

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In the days since evidence of the Haditha killings emerged, media organisations, including The Observer, have been contacted with details of other incidents that Iraqis have long claimed involved the execution of civilians by US
troops. Among them is an alleged massacre at Makr al-Deeb, near the town of Al-Qaim on the Syrian border, where marines were alleged to have bombed a wedding party and then shot a number of survivors. At the time, Major General James Mattis, commander of the 1st Marine Division, was scathing of those who suggested a wedding party had been hit, claiming his soldiers had attacked a foreign fighters' safe house.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1789986,00.html
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