Why do you think some people feel that voter fraud in the US is

[Poiuyt]

inconceivable?

I just finished reading RFK Jr's Rolling Stone article about the 2004 election being stolen. I've also been reading about the attacks he is coming under for it. It appears to me that most people, not just Right Wingers, but average Americans too, just can't believe that a federal election could be stolen in the U.S. They have no problem believing that it happened in Ukraine, or the Republic of Georgia, or Africa, or South America, but it just couldn't happen here. I think a lot of people are running around with their hands over their ears and screaming, "La la la la."

I don't know if actual voter fraud did occur in 04. There does seem to be a lot of evidence that says that something bad happened. I don't think that there is anything about the U.S. that is so special that a crime like that couldn't happen. Maybe Kennedy is seeing something where there is nothing. I don't know. I just wish that people (and politicians) would treat him with an open mind, listen to what he has to say without shouting him down, and have an open discussion.

[New Earth]

1. hi

you don't know me like some others here but - while i agree with your post,
while you have editing time, can you please say election fraud?

voter fraud is the GOP's issue, claiming the voters commit the fraud by registering in more than one precinct, etc. whose goal is to make it harder for dems/African Americans to vote.


my sig has been this way for years now

:blush: :spank:

[helderheid]

5. Agreed! :)

:hi: Faye!

[New Earth]

10. hi

it seems most in GD haven't heard enough of me beating it into their heads that it's not "voter fraud"
for the most part i think everyone has learned by now in ERD :hi: :P

[helderheid]

21. hehehe!

[New Earth]

17. i dont' know if i'll last in this little forum

if there's gonna be a lot of talk about the ELECTION FRAUD
this voter fraud shit makes me want to break stuff :blush:
i felt the need to start a whole thread on it :shrug:

[KaryninMiami]

11. True. It's election fraud- not voter fraud- except for Ann Coulter-

is now going to court because she appears to have committed voter fraud. http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002807.htm






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[New Earth]

16. exactly

what she did is a perfect example of REAL "voter fraud".

yes, can be a contributing factor in full ELECTION FRAUD, but needs to addressed specifically as "voter fraud" since those asshole Republicans like to use the word so loosely.

[Poiuyt]

26. Election fraud - much better term

Sorry I didn't make it back in time to edit

[Chemical Bill]

2. Children cannot conceive of their parents doing wrong.

Some people never outgrow this.

Bill

[intheflow]

3. Agreed.

This is the perfect analysis of the situation.

[Ivan Sputnik]

4. Because it makes them uncomfortable?

Sometimes I think this country is all about being (staying) comfortable, even if it means you have to deny the obvious.

[Avalux]

6. Media coverage, for one.

The issue has not been given legitimate airtime by corporate media, it's been painted as partisan (Dems crying), hence a wacky conspiracy theory. As Kennedy told Tucker Carleson the other day - everyone should be outraged regardless of political party. Peraps his article will finally give election fraud the attention it deserves.

[Minnesota Libra]

7. That one is probably the easiest question to answer if you think..........

....about it. To admit there is "voter fraud" and/or "stolen elections" is to admit two things. We as a society were asleep at the wheel and allowed this to happen. (I'm not talking about just DU, I'm talking about the entire country as a whole right now. Second, to admit to "voter fraud" of any kind is to also admit that the US is possibly beyond repair because if this country is beyond repair then in it's place will be a form of dictatorship.

[Selatius]

8. "American exceptionalism" is dying a hard death in America

America is special; it's different than all the others. It'll never happen here in the birthplace of democracy, but it does happen in places with less history of democracy, not here in America. They'll insist this until the apocalypse comes.

The fact is voter fraud has marred elections in the US since almost the beginning. Just talk to minority communities over the last 100 years. For them, it's just another year; it's old news.

The only difference now is the ones who rigged the vote are more progressive. They're equal opportunity oppressors. They don't give a damn what your skin color is as long as they know you oppose their agenda to turn the US into the ugliest kleptocracy since the spectacles of Rome.

Fascism? Nah, it'll never happen here. "It can't happen here."

[New Earth]

14. not

voter



fraud..........


























election fraud
*sigh*

[liberal N proud]

9. Denial

It is just like the abused wife or the alcoholic, before they can be cured they have to over come the denial.

A majority of the public are in complete denial, they have been feed patriotism all their lives and just can not believe that their government, the Red White and Blue, could allow such things to happen.

[Protagoras]

12. Because we are NUMBER 1!

Seriously...America is better than Everywhere Else. We are God's chosen people etc...

So stuff like that can't happen here.

According to ignorant fools.

[Asgaya Dihi]

13. I see it as the opposite

Fraud isn't inconceivable, it's nearly inevitable due to simple human nature. If and where we can we tend to try to tip the scales in our favor, the only way to avoid that is to make it difficult or impossible.

What I see is a bigger danger. We're so caught up in fighting the fraud of the last election that we aren't paying enough attention to the next one. While one web site after another debates the merits of our doubts about the 2004 elections very few are even aware of a report that came out last month from Black Box Voting which shows our NEXT election is at great risk.

I'm aware of no provision in law that can change our last election results, even if every accusation were proved true. We might convict some minor players but nothing of substance changes. While we fight over what we can't change we might just be risking the loss of the next election, and that one maybe we still can change if we get on it. This is some scary stuff, and it's our future, not our past. It's also solid enough to maybe get both sides concerned if we made the debate about the flaws we still have instead of about the past.

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/BBVtsxstudy.pdf

[The Deacon]

22. Exactly The Problem

It would cause The Ultimate Constitutional Crisis - what to do about a President who was appointed by a Judicial Branch in blatant disregard of the Constitution and legal precedent, a President who then used the power so conferred to establish himself for a second term (through both election fraud & appointments to the Federal Bench)? The American public would have to face the facts - that we are being ruled by a dictator who has usurped the power of the electorate in order to permanently establish a de facto Single Party State. It does not even matter whether that One Party represents Corporate Fascism (not empty abuse - see definition in dictionary), Theocracy (or a blending of the two), Socialism, or whatever - it doesn't even matter if the policies of the dictator are the desire of the Majority (as in early Nazi Germany.) What matters is, in the end, that the right & proper power of that Majority to approve or object to those policies has been highjacked - that the government no longer governs with the consent of the governed. Thomas Jefferson, in 1776, suggested an excellent cure for this condition.

[Patsy Stone]

15. Willful ignorance

Same reason they didn't believe terrorists would ever attack us. In my mind it was only a matter of time, but somehow the populace convinced itself we were exempt.

[fasttense]

18. Admitting that the 2004 and very probably the 2000 elections were

rigged means admitting that we, as citizens of the US, are ignorant and lazy. I know I feel guilty that I wasn't out picketing after the dancing supremes appointed our pResident. My excuse was I was too busy in the Navy serving my country, but I could have done something, taken leave or something. When Kerry rolled over for the cheats, again I was not out in front. I sent thousands of letters, and e-mails but I was not out in the streets.

Those people who claim they didn't know about it, failed to be the educated citizens our founding fathers expected us to be. The rigged elections are a direct reflection of our attitude toward citizenship in this country. It seems to mean very little to very many people.

But I guarantee you this, If I find out the next election is rigged, I'm going to be in DC with picket signs for months, even if I'm the only one.

[blm]

19. Because the corporate media treats it as if it's inconceivable GOPs would

steal elections. They PRETEND that the voting machines are not OWNED and CONTROLLED by GOP cronies. Just as they PRETEND that the media is NOT OWNED and CONTROLLED by GOP cronies.

[Botany]

20. Because:

http://news.uns.purdue.edu/images/+2004/russert-tim.jpg

[Patsy Stone]

25. :)

and

[The Magistrate]

23. Quite The Contrary, Sir: People Feel It Is Usual

Therefore it is difficult to make the case that anything particularly unusual occured in recent elections.

[Jade Fox]

24. It's one of those things we assure ourselves.....

happens in only far less sophisticated and more corrupt countries than our own. It's one of those things, we assure ourselves, that makes the US special: Election Fraud (NOT voter fraud) happens frequently around the world, but not in our country!

Sadly, we are now the kind of country, thanks to all you moral Conservatives, that we used to declare ourselves superior to.