Has there ever been a legitimate war under Republican or

[peacetalksforall]

Democratic leadership in the last 60 years?

Have either ever promoted a war strictly on behalf of the citizens? Have they genuinely been concerned about us? Have we paid for anything that really benefited us?

Our administrations have warred against single foreign leaders and reigning political parties, but are always masked in propaganda that makes it look like we have to fight a nation. The end result is that all the wars end up to be wars against us, the citizens (the little people at both ends).

Behind all the wars are corporations or secretive organizations involved in contraband. When the operations and riches of either are threatened, wars are declared. And the real agendas are masked in patriotism.

Contraband can range from trafficking in nuclear supplies and technology to drugs, weapons, and labor. It may also include prostitution and slavery as we’re learning.

Can we ever learn enough to understand that we are being used and manipulated? Can we get to a point where we acknowledge it and figure out what to do about it?

[HereSince1628]

1. Hmm, I wonder what Wes Clark would say about that.

I assume he would say that Bosnia, Kosovo, etc were legitimate. But were they _wars_?

[The2ndWheel]

5. Well we do have Camp Bondsteel there

Just another(although quite large) military base somewhere on this planet for the US Military. Built by KBR too.

[bryant69]

2. So Republicans and Democrats are just as bad?

When it comes to war I mean? Is that your contention?

Bryant
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[peacetalksforall]

6. If I didn't include Democrats, people would attack Kennedy (even though

it looks like he inherited Cuba and Vietnam and was ready to pull out of Vietnam and wouldn's allow further invasions of Cuba after finding that claims about the Bay of Pigs invasions were based on lies and exaggerations).

Bosnia and Kosovo could be looked at as rescues, but there seems to be indications that certain military biggies wanted to test new weapons and strategies.

But, just don't think of the 'big' ones.

We warred against Allende on behalf of ITT and Anaconda.

We may have warred against Noriega because of drug trafficking agreements that went awry.

We still haven't quite put the finger on the reason for warring against Aristede.

We warred against the people of Central America, and missionaries serving there, many times - often ensuring that military leaders survived as Presidents of the countries.

[sutz12]

3. I would argue that the initial intervention in Korea was legit.

Later, when we drove to the Yalu and pissed off the Chinese, that was uncalled for. We should have just driven back to the armistice line and locked it down.

I'd even say that Gulf War I was legit, it was in answer to naked agression, unlike our own naked agression in GWII. Notice how the war and the asshole have the same initials? GWII.

:evilgrin:

[peacetalksforall]

7. I can't agree on Gulf War 1 - that one was for the Carlyle Group and the

oil biggies and the House of Saud.

[TreasonousBastard]

4. Clinton's invasion of Haiti...

bloodless and effective, but Congress put the breaks on the operation before stability was in place.

[orwell]

8. Has there ever been a legitimate war? n/t

[sinkingfeeling]

9. Let's see...Korea:no, VietNam:no, Central American Interference:no,

Grenada:no, Gulf War I;no, Bosnia:maybe, Hatit:doubtful, Afgahnistan:maybe, Iraq:no

[jerry611]

11. Both parties share blame for Vietnam

Eisenhower kicked off the game, Nixon ended it, But Democrats played it. JFK and LBJ are blamed for allowing it to escalate. LBJ still has dropped more bombs than any other president in history.

[jerry611]

10. Civil War

Abraham Lincoln was a Republican.

[sinkingfeeling]

12. Civil War was more than 60 years ago and is one that I believe should have

been fought, just like WWII.

[jerry611]

13. Yeah, I didn't read the first part of the op's post

I didn't see the "in the last 60 years..."

My bad.