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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 08:03 PM
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FRONTLINE: "The Age of AIDS" Part 1 starting now!
Edited on Tue May-30-06 08:06 PM by Up2Late
This is the 2 hour Part one of two. Check your PBS Station, times do vary.

<http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/aids/>

Today is the 25th anniversary of the first diagnosis of AIDS.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 08:10 PM
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 08:14 PM
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2. Speak for yourself.
As someone who has been living with HIV for 20 years, I can honestly say that Reagan's ignoring the problem altogether was nothing short of criminal.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 08:24 PM
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6. Are you old enough to remember 1981-1983?
Nobody knew what it was, how you got it, let alone what to do about it was for almost 2 years.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 08:30 PM
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8. How did I get it? I was a 20 year old who fell in love with someone..
....who cheated on me and I trusted him and while he was out fucking around, I got a little surprise from one his jaunts that has been with me ever since.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 08:52 AM
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37. No....I don't know how promiscuous gay men can be, do tell us.
And if you didn't see an answer to what Clinton did, you haven't read far enough because it was one of the first posts I made in this thread.

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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:15 AM
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39. When you trust nobody, you end up going paranoid.
It's not just a gay thing; it's a relationship thing. Men (and women) will be promiscuous if the impetus is there. One can say they're "monogamous" all they want, but you're trusting the other person with your life.

And, yes, love hurts. So does cheating. That's why I don't get involved with people who are taken. It's a loss, but at least I give a damn. Not that I get involved with anybody, mind you...

More people in this joke of a society ought to give a damn about the well being of others. Then it wouldn't be a joke anymore.

Also, Clinton did more for AIDS awareness and research than any 20th century republican president (and Reagan was so pig-headed, he couldn't fathom how the disease could affect a lot more people than just a sect he didn't care for)... He was still the president of all Americans - including the ones he doesn't like. For something in that group can affect everyone else.

But I digress, but from the grapevine I've heard Clinton's told anti-gay jokes as well (I may be in error). Never mind the DOMA, which is an incontrovertible fact... Whether or not that would stop people from cheating, I dunno. Probably make things worse... it hasn't kept Britney Spears from marrying and divorcing at the drop of a pin.

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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 01:43 PM
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42. Very True.


I'm also guessing you are an Original Star Trek fan, (by the way you write, and the Dr. Spock picture) so you might find this slightly off topic revelation I had a few years ago interesting:

When I began studying Tibetan Buddhism 8 years, I quickly realized that their was a lot of Eastern Philosophy written into Star Trek, with a very heavy dose of Buddhism inter-weaved though the story lines. Just about everything Spock did or said was very similar to Buddhist philosophy.

Anyway, just thought I'd share that.
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AllieB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 08:32 PM
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10. What does it matter how he got it?
Were you about to make a 'moral judgement' based on his sexual orientation? How liberal of you.

I hope you're watching this special. You may learn something.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 08:36 PM
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11. Oy Vey!
Clinton had done more than the Reagan, Bush 1 & 2 Administrations put together! You will learn quickly that that you cannot rewrite history easily here on DU.

By the way enjoy your short stay here. :hi:
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 08:36 PM
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12. And as far as what Clinton did, it was much more than his predecessors.
The Clinton Administration has responded aggressively to the significant threat posed by HIV/AIDS with increased attention to research, prevention, and treatment. Overall funding for AIDS-related programs within HHS has increased by 150 percent under the Clinton Administration, with funding for AIDS care under the HHS Health Resources and Services Administration's Ryan White CARE Act increasing by 358 percent and assistance for the purchase of AIDS drugs increasing by 965 percent.


At the same time, the Administration has sharpened the focus of its AIDS programs, establishing a new Office of National AIDS Policy at the White House, and signed legislation creating a permanent Office of AIDS Research at the National Institutes of Health (NIH). The Administration also convened the first-ever White House Conference on HIV and AIDS in December 1995, released the first National AIDS Strategy in December 1996, and prepared the first federal biomedical research plan in 1997. In May 1997, President Clinton announced a comprehensive AIDS vaccine research initiative designed to lead to the development of an AIDS vaccine within 10 years, and in 1998, the Food and Drug Administration approved the nation's first large-scale trial for an AIDS prevention vaccine. In addition, President Clinton announced the Millennium Vaccine Initiative on May 31, 2000 which calls for sharp increases in vaccine research at the National Institutes of Health, new investments for the purchase and delivery of existing vaccines and a substantial tax credit for the private sector to speed the development of new vaccines.


Let's contrast that with Reagan:

Although AIDS was first reported in the medical and popular press in 1981, it was only in October 1987 that President Reagan publicly spoke about the epidemic. By the end of that year 59,572 AIDS cases had been reported and 27,909 of those women and men had died.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 09:15 PM
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16. "Um,. how'd you get it?" NONE OF YOUR FUCKIN BUSINESS
How dare you ask that of someone and why would it matter?
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 09:29 PM
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19. Most likely to determine if I am...ahem...."an innocent victim" or
"a scumbag who deserves to die for trusting someone".
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 09:39 PM
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22. Liberal Vet, you don't have to explain yourself.
That poster smells like a troll to me.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 09:40 PM
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24. Of course they are.
But troll or not, talk about a lack of manners.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 09:55 PM
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26. Thank you. I don't really mind explaining how I got HIV.
I just wish people would realize it's a just a virus and condemning people who got a virus says a great deal more about them than it does about the person unfortunate enough to have to live (or die) with this virus.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 08:54 AM
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38. A president who takes almost 6 years to say ANYTHING about HIV
...at the start of the epidemic has a burden of guilt.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 01:54 PM
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43. Oh, I missed his final, insane rantings. Anyway, if you wouldn't mind...
...I'm very interested in hearing how you managed to survive all these 20 years of Drug trials and the evolution of knowledge as to how to treat HIV and AIDS.

If it's too personal of a question, never mind, but if you have advice or a "lessons learned" tale, that might be helpful to those who are just beginning the long hard journey of coping with HIV, I would be interested in reading it.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:32 PM
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47. I don't mind at all. One could say ignorance was a blessing.
When I found out my ex was cheating on me, I immediately went to get an HIV test and dumped him. HIV tests were fairly new at the time and we didn't know as much, so when it came back negative, I assumed I dodged the bullet. A few weeks later, I did have a very strange illness which I now know was rife with the classic symptoms of seroconversion illness (it's like a nasty flu bug that clears up on it's own). My ex died in 1990 of AIDS and that should have been a clue and I won't say there weren't clues, but I practiced safe sex ever since and throughout the late 80's and 90's I had no idea I had HIV and it was slowly destroying my immune system. One thing you have to understand is how gradually HIV progresses. You don't notice it. I was in a new job that was really stressful and I assumed the fatigue was mostly a matter of stress. I had also had some issues with swallowing for about a year off and on which I also attributed to stress. That October, I got a cold that wouldn't go away. I literally found myself falling asleep at meetings and eating tylenol to keep a fever down and coming home and going right to sleep. I went to see a doctor who said I just had the "crud" that was going around and although he was concerned about the fever, he assumed it was just a complication and prescribed some Keflex and said I'd feel better in a couple of days. A couple of days later, it hurt so much to breathe that I asked someone for a couple of their Tylenol 3's and then went back to another doctor who took x-rays and diagnosed me with pneumonia and then told me I had a really bad case of candiasis (esophageal thrush) and I only weighed 110lbs. Of course I've always been thin, but I was about 25 pounds lighter than my usual adult weight. And then he popped the really big question: "Have you ever been tested for HIV?"

Psychologically, I was already in a bad place from weeks of being sick, so that made me a basket case for a little while.

We did a battery of tests to determine the type of pneumonia, but never did find out exactly what it was. I was taking two types of antibiotics to try to knock it out and drinking codeine cough syrup and ativan for the anxiety. A week after seeing that doctor, I went to health department (I was paranoid about getting an HIV test in an a setting my insurance company would find out about...silly at the time, I suppose) to get an anonymous HIV test. A week later I got the results back and it was a confirmed positive. The very helpful woman at the health department made a couple of calls for me and by the end of the day, my phone rang and it was the best HIV specialist in my state who told me he wasn't taking new patients, but after a few minutes on the phone said he would take me on as a patient and asked me to come to their lab to have my initial bloodwork done and that he would try to get me in as soon as my bloodwork results came back and that if I wanted to bring my significant other with me, that would be okay with him.

Between pneumonia and recovery and bloodwork and such it was the middle of January by the time I saw my doctor (whom I still see).

During that interminable wait, I took a crash course in HIV. Treatment, side-effects of medications, complications, what the test results for each test meant, etc....

I was hoping for the best and prepared for the worst and the worst is pretty much what I got for my first test results.

The Doc told me I had a viral load of 250,000 per cubic millimeter (a high viral load is considered to be 5000-10000). And of course my immune system was practically non-existant with 22 cd4 cells per cubic millimeter (a healthy individual ranges between 500-1500 cells per cubic millimeter). Given that I spent a month pouring over everything I could learn about HIV and the tests and medications, I knew what the doctor was saying without saying it: I had AIDS (although they call it advanced HIV disease these days).

I told the doctor what MY choice of medications was for HIV. I already knew I was going to be taking Septra (an antibiotic) for prophylaxis against several opportunistic infections, all of which at my level of immune dysfunction I was a prime candidate for. I chose an easy and fairly new regimen of Sustiva and Combivir. Sustiva had been on the market for only a few months, but it showed great promise in clinical trials and had an extremely long serum and intra-cellular half-life which meant I could take it once daily (although some people have reported some very bizarre psychological side-effects). The Combivir is a medication containing 3tc (epivir) and AZT which I would take twice daily. So, 4 pills a day between prophylaxis and antivirals, plus I was addicted to ativan by that time after eating them like candy for 3 months and had to ween myself of them. I replaced that with an SSRI (Paxil in my case) to help with the understandable depression I had. On the plus side, I was negative for syphillis, hepatitis C (which is very common in HIV positive patients), toxoplasmosis (amazing for a person who owns cats). But I wasn't well by any stretch of the imagination.

On my next bloodwork 3 months later, my t-cells had risen to around 60 or so and my viral load was undetectable (meaning that the amount of viral particles in my blood were below the level of detection which was 50 at the level of the assay used).

By the end of the first year, I was still hovering just below 100 on my t-cells even though my viral load remained undetectable and I had not missed or been late with a single dose of my medication and was working full in my old job still and gained most of my weight back. I wasn't very happy with that. Septra makes me itch. That's all. It causes no other side effects but itching and I was tired of taking prophylaxis.

That spurred me to try something a bit more proactive. There is a bio-engineered cancer treatment called Interleukin-2. It is used to treat kidney cancer. It is a product produced by the body as well and causes multiplication of CD4 cells. It was tested in AIDS patients in early 90's but was an abject failure because HIV infects healthy CD4 cells and without anything to stop viral replication, it most likely made matters worse in people uncontrolled HIV (that's my own opinion...at the time it was tried, AIDS very much was a death sentence and it was worth a try in those times). Anyhow, IL-2 is pretty much a orphan drug. It is made by a single company and is EXTREMELY expensive. The drug is currently being tested in Phase III clinical trials for people who have HIV and are on a successful antiviral regimen.

So, I looked into it, and low and behold, my insurance actually covered the stuff. So I sent all the reference materials I could find including the study parameters to my doctor and he wrote me a sheet of prescriptions for IL-2 (including IL-2, sterile water for reconstitution, syringes for injection, and antiemtics for nausea and vomitting). See, IL-2 is a nasty, nasty drug with awful side effects. I taught myself how to mix the drug to proper strength and inject myself with it twice a day for 5 days every 8 weeks. IL-2 courses generally start on Wednesday so by the time you REALLY start to feel like shit that has been in the sun after being squeezed out of a dead carcass that was hit with a Mack truck, it's the weekend and you can lie around pissing and moaning about how fucking awful you feel (and I don't exaggerate). Around the middle of day 3 of a course, I would begin to start feeling extremely fatigued and the fever would start (another very common side-effect of IL-2). By day 5, it was a real challenge to reconsititute and inject myself with another full dose without chickening out (and on a few courses, I did chicken out on the last dose). Fortunately, the side-effects resolve VERY quickly after a course. By about two days after the last shot, you feel pretty much normal. One 5 day course of IL-2 costs around 5000 dollars at retail, but my insurance company paid for it, luckily, even though I was essentially taking it for off-label indications.

To make a long story short (I know, way too late for that), I did that for a year and my t-cell count rose above the threshold of needing prophylaxis. It is not known how well those t-cells function, so going off prophylaxis was something of a risk, but I figured it was worth the risk.

At any rate, that year of IL-2 therapy seemed to be the kick my body needed, because my t-cell count has not only maintained itself, but continued to climb although still hovering in 350 range (which puts me at very low risk of developing an opportunistic infection, in fact, if I had an undetectable viral load and 350 t-cells, I wouldn't even be considered to have AIDS, just HIV).

Today, I got my test results back after 1 year on the once-a-day regimen that I replaced combivir with: truvada. I am still taking Sustiva with it, which makes up the backbone of my triple antiviral therapy (usually a NNRTI and 2 NRTI drugs or a PI and 2 NRTI drugs is a standard regimen). The convenience of once daily dosing of antivirals is marvelous. Try making sure you take a pill every 12 hours for 5 years straight and you'll know that being able to sleep in on Saturday is luxurious. I missed one dose of my medication in all that time although I am not nearly as anal about timing as I originally was. (The first couple of years, I would start getting anxious if I was 10 or 15 minutes late).

I work full time as pharmacy tech now (all that study came in handy for that) and it's been six and a half years since I got my diagnosis of AIDS. I am working on my weight a little, trying to get up to 150lbs (I'm 5'7") and I am within 5 pounds of my goal, although I am taking an anabolic steroid and marinol to get there.

All in all, life is good. Everyday is gravy. My current partner (who is HIV negative) has been with me for 15 years now and we are still going strong.

And that's pretty much my HIV story.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 01:13 PM
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50. Wow, that is a complicated story.
I had to skim over a some of the drug therapy stuff, because it was making my brain hurt to try to understand it all.

I do know about having to remember to take drugs, but my situation is, I was diagnosed as having ADD when I was 32 (almost 10 years ago), so I have to try to remember if I took my drugs that help me remembers stuff, like if I took my drugs. :crazy:

It's crazy to think about, I know, and the problem is, if I do forget to take them before a certain time (5:00-6:00pm), I have to skip taking them, or else I'll be up all night (hence my name Up2Late).

And If I skip taking them, I'm screwed for the night, because I lose the ability to comprehend what I read, and to write in a normal, coherent manner.

Me, I got tested about 10 years ago, but never went back for the results, but I'm very low risk. I'm not Gay, never slept with a whore, well at least non that were Pros, I've only had 7 different sex partners, and I gave up sex in 1994, I just didn't want to deal with all the mind games that go with it.

BTW, I gave up ALL Processed Sugar in 1986, so willpower is not a problem for me.

Did you catch Part 2 last night? It was good too and will be on-line on Friday @5:00pm EDT: <http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/aids/>
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:55 PM
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49. Reagan was a coward also
I caught the first episode last night, I caught when Reagan was asked to speak about AIDS by Elizabeth Taylor, and he started off his speech okay, but then said something very rude at the end, at this time I can't remember what he said, but again, he put his foot in his mouth, and showed no sensitivity to the disease.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 08:32 PM
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9. Nothing short of Criminal?
It was a HIGH CRIME!
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 08:37 PM
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13. I was being politely understated.
:D
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bcoylepa Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 07:57 AM
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35. you are right
it was criminal the way Reagan refused to address AIDS but take it from someone who worked in the field of HIV prevention education for almost 15 years - things are worse now
we used to be able to talk about the effectiveness of condom use - now any agency receiving money from the feds is supposed to only talk about failure rates - Reagan/Bush - they are both criminals.
keep love alive!
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 08:18 PM
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3. I don't understand your post.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 08:20 PM
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5. Sorry, what was the question?
I don't believe I asked a question, what are you talking about?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 07:07 AM
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 08:26 PM
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7. Frontline is talking about CDC's budget cuts during the emerging
AIDS crisis. This reminds me of the current administration- cutting CDC's
budget amid increasing alarm about avian influenza.

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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 09:02 PM
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14. kick n/t
:kick:
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 09:09 PM
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15. OH GREAT! The WH Lawyer who advised President Reagan not to...
...play down the threat of getting AIDS though casual contact, is now

Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts!!!

:banghead:
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 09:25 PM
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17. OMG, another example of why we have to get the GOP out of power ASAP.
:banghead:
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 02:34 PM
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46. Don't forget - we're going to be stuck w/Roberts for another 30-40 yrs
and that other nimrod Bush appointed.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 07:01 AM
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30. It's okay; Democrats seem to *LIKE* this guy.
Otherwise, they'd have worked to stop him, no?

Tesha
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 09:28 PM
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18. Jonathan Mann was a hero who died too young.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 09:30 PM
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20. This program is excellent. I recommended this post for greatest page.
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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 09:40 PM
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23. You're right. This is really good.
Edited on Tue May-30-06 09:42 PM by joemurphy
Frontline is a representation of what television journalism is capable of. There really isn't anything better on any of the cable or mainstream channels.

Seeing all the cretins who undermined the effort to control the spread -- Falwell, Helms, Reagan -- well, for me it resurrects a lot of bad memories. It's heartbreaking seeing the suffering AIDS caused and the inept and callous way it was addressed in the U.S.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 09:49 PM
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25. It's amazing how just telling the truth shows the "conservative"
GOP mindset as just WRONG and non-compassionate.

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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 03:14 AM
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27. Absolutely, that's why they have to create Propaganda machines...
...like Fox "news" and Video PR passed off as local News.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 07:01 AM
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31. So true- "catapulting the propaganda" is the GOP SOP.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 09:35 PM
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21. Jesse Helms pushed ban for government funding of AIDS education
due to outrage over homosexuality.

The GOP has a sordid history of fear-mongering when science is needed.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 02:02 PM
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45. Is he dead yet?
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 08:01 AM
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36. Really showed what an uncaring bastard Reagan was...
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:17 AM
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40. A myopic, pig-headed fool.
Yes, he didn't like "those people".

What he couldn't fathom (by indolence, hate, or idiocy - three reasons that would disqualify him as a President) is that people he may not like may have given it to others, and not just by sexual activity either. (drug abuse, BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS...)

We all learned the hard way, our society.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:40 AM
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41. Back then I thought he was a stupid jerk and yet I remember my
classmates thinking he was the greatest.

I blame him for the "me-first" ..."I got mine, screw you" behavior that has flourished the past 25 years...
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 02:00 PM
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44. I think it all started back when the GOP was trying to spin Nixon's...
...trouble with Watergate as "not so bad" and his certain impeachment as un-necessary.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:48 PM
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48. Part 2 on Now!
Edited on Wed May-31-06 09:50 PM by Up2Late
I missed the first part of Part 2, but lucky, I have 2 PBS stations on my Cable system and one of them has shown both parts twice in a row.

The video will be on-line in a few days.

They just showed President Clinton, Bono and talked about how most of the funding is going to run out , World Wide, NEXT YEAR and in 2008!

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