The Real Democratic Party has emerged as THE "Third Party"

[understandinglife]

Ned Lamont and his supporters, throughout Connecticut and the Nation, proved that, yesterday.

The Real Democratic Party is NOT the DSCC, the DLC or the DCCC.

The Real Democratic Party is comprised of the people of America who realize that We are Our Government, and in November 2006, we will regain control of the House and the Senate.

Bye, bye joementum and anyone like you ....


pro-Bu$h = Anti-America

[blm]

1. I'm with the Anti-Corruption, Open Government wing of the Democratic Party

And our numbers are GROWING.

[Tom Joad]

2. I would like to agree with you. But i think that Joe will be reelected

in November,
Joe Lieberman will likely win in the August, with the support of Obama, Gore, Kerry, Kennedy, and almost everyone else in the Dem leadership. I hope i am wrong. I really, really hope so.
Good luck to all my Conn. comrades.

[understandinglife]

3. Jane Hamsher: "Ned, White & Blue"

As , it’s hard to overstate the significance of the staggering blow Ned Lamont dealt to Joe Lieberman yesterday. I’m getting reports fast and furious that Joe is bolting the party, Joe will run as an independent, Joe will take over as the head of state central for the Democratic Party. I doubt anyone really knows at this point, even Joe. But one thing is for certain — it was a grenade tossed in the middle of the Democratic party by the netroots, and it has the potential to ignite a war.

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More at the link:

http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/20/ned-white-and-blue

More importantly, it is a firm indication what We the People ... are no longer going to allow a few Beltway speical interest clubs (DLC, DSCC, DCCC) to control OUR Democratic Party.


Never Forget: George W. Bush willfully violated National Security to cover-up his willful launch of a war of aggression and illegal occupation of Iraq.

[AbsoluteArmorer]

10. dissent against 'all' corruption

Most everything stated in this thread are solid ideas for our future! We must dissent against all NeoCons who are operating within and around our govt agencies and offices. ALL! Thanks for this thread!

[understandinglife]

32. "We must dissent against all NeoCons ..." Precisely.

It Is Tribunal Time In The United States of America

[understandinglife]

67. Jane Hamsher: "Planned Parenthood, NARAL Reps Vote For Lamont"

Both Carolyn Treiss, head of NARAL-CT and Susan Yolen, head of Planned Parenthood-CT were delegates at the convention yesterday, and both cast their votes for Ned Lamont. This in spite of incredible pressure from their national organizations to back Joe Lieberman. All I can say is, bravo to both women for standing up for choice and saying "no more" to Rape Gurney Joe and the DC cocktail weenie gluttons who would have had them do otherwise. That took some guts.

So let’s recap. Ned Lamont has committed — like a good Democrat — to support the Democratic candidate, whoever that may be, for the Connecticut Senate race in November. Even if that candidate turns out to be his opponent, Joe Lieberman. It’s the classy thing to do.

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Much more at the link:

http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/20/planned-parenthood-naral-reps-vote-for-lamont

It's what REAL Democrats would do. And, we all know joementum is NOT a real Democrat.


pro-Bu$h = Anti-America ... got it, DLC???

[patrice]

4. Local relationships.

Where we can hold ourselves and one another accountable for Honesty.

[shance]

74. Bingo Patrice. Our power and our future is within our neighborhoods.

We need to take time from our computer every day and go out and hang out with our neighbors. There has been a breakdown of our strength as American citizens. The biggest breakdown has been from our neighborhoods and the absence of the front porch relationships and connections has left us as citizens vulnerable to the Federal forces and those who want to disconnect Americans at large. Bring back the front porches and their connections!. Even if we don't have them! Whatever the case, that is our strength and our future. To connect and befriend our neighbors.

We must build relationships and connect with our neighbors and build a family there. That is where our true connection and power is, along with building relationships with our city council members and our state legislators. Our Federal lawmakers are important, but we must make them realize we will protect ourselves if THEY WONT. Many of them want to, but they are outnumbered by crooks who don't give a damn about Americans at large.

Federal and Washington will have a much harder time consuming our power if we are strong and protective in our states, cities and NEIGHBORHOODS.

If you build it, we will strengthen our muscles of American independence and strength again. Our power is with our numbers as citizens. It has little if anything to do with Republican and Democrat now.

[patrice]

92. The more we really are with others in community, the more everyone

comes to understand other people's points-of-view that they do not share. This will free people from the influence of corporate media.

[mdmc]

5. k/r

watch how we get crushed!

[MrBenchley]

6. I see.....

So the far left actually DOES want to splinter the Democrats out of spite.

Nice of you to admit it.

[MissWaverly]

9. no, we do not

What we want is responsive government, what we don't what is the development of a nuke
em now, tax break for the rich while the gulf coast lives in tents and other amusing
Republican policies that have been shoved down our throats for the last 6 years. I do
not want a repeat of New Orleans this year or more illegal surveillance and I do not
want a border war with Mexico or a war of aggression against Iran.

[MrBenchley]

28. Funny....

The far left sure seems anxious to avoid the burden of a responsive government by keeping up this constant attempt to splinter the party.

[MissWaverly]

30. there is no attempt to splinter the party

I and many of us here send money every month to support the DNC, there are a good many centrists
that do not, in addition, many of us have supported our local Dems in their races. Just because
we say 4 people should be held accountable for their on-going support of Bush and his policies;
then you accuse us of splintering the party. That is nonsense.

[MrBenchley]

31. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt, I guess.....

What else would you call THIS thread?

[MissWaverly]

35. It's a call that we want honest government that

represent the common good. The 108th Congress now has 210 democrats in the House and 48 members
in the senate, if you would check us out every day, you would see most of us post favorably
on their representatives. They post letters they have rec'd back or letters to the editor they
had published or what they are doing to help win in November. What burns DU'ers up and
Dems everywhere is the lack of opposition to much of what has happened to this country
since 2000. We want reassured not snarky put-downs. We want to know that we can trust the
Dems to put this country back together. We want the secret prisons closed, we want rendition
stopped, we want the illegal wiretaps stopped. We want our congress to spend their time
trying to enact legislation to make this country better not whoring around with lobbyists
in limos to hooker parties. We want our congress to work as responsibly as most adults
in this country do when they go off to work. That is how America does business and it
is not all limos, free lunches and hookers.

[MrBenchley]

42. It shows (snicker)

[MissWaverly]

46. yes, it does

I have my democracy bond right here

[Name removed]

72. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[MissWaverly]

81. thank you

I needed a reality check

:-)

[Jim Sagle]

63. A truth thread. Like it or lump it.

[MrBenchley]

66. No, I'll just keep jeering at this silly braggadocio

[Jim Sagle]

70. Zell Miller, is that you?

[MrBenchley]

83. Wow, what a pathetic post

even by the dismally low standards set by our "progressive purists."

[Jim Sagle]

84. Makes you feel at home, doesn't it?

[MrBenchley]

85. Yeah, I'm used to seeing lame posts from the far left....

There's rarely anything but....

[Jim Sagle]

86. You need a new map. There isn't much far left on this thread.

Certainly not from me - check out the I/P folder if you don't believe it.

[LincolnMcGrath]

91. Speaking of lame posts, Have you ever seen anything this uniformed?

Mr Benchley speaks his mind

[acmejack]

15. Of course that's exactly our goal!

What tipped you off, Benchley?

[MrBenchley]

29. Geeze, you say that like it's not obvious...

[omega minimo]

16. Dear Mr. Benchley

Discussing different approaches is not an automatic indictment of "Democrats." I don't often come across your posts on DU, but every time I do there is a suggestive tone that "actually does want to splinter the Democrats out of spite." Emphasis on "spite."

How is that conducive to uniting Democrats? :hi:

[MrBenchley]

27. LOL!

Is that what we call these lame attempts at a party purge? "Discussing different approaches?"

[noamnety]

36. "lame attempts at a party purge"

that's a funny way to describe the process of holding primaries. :)

[MrBenchley]

44. That's an even funnier way to describe

your dreary third party: "holding primaries."

[omega minimo]

47. Is this a schtick?

:shrug:

[Name removed]

48. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[omega minimo]

49. I still never hear

you do more than sneer


I expressed interest in what you have to say in #37-- the post in this section that you continue to not respond to. :toast:

[MrBenchley]

51. I don't think it deserves anything more than a sneer....

[omega minimo]

55. "It" being the threat

to whatever you're defending, without ever saying............anything..............................................even when invited to................................................


YEP, it's a SCHTICK! :spray:

[LincolnMcGrath]

54. It's all about the waffles.

[omega minimo]

57. Bitter butter and venom syrup!!!

So tell me again-- how does this NOT "split the Democrats"?

[LincolnMcGrath]

58. He takes his waffles with a side order of crow.

[omega minimo]

59. I want a Lion!

He gets the Clown :rofl:

"Nothing to say of his own worth the hearing....."

[Jim Sagle]

69. Al From, is that you?

[Jim Sagle]

64. More like a crock.

[noamnety]

56. so you oppose primaries?

are you thinking incumbants shouldn't have to go through that process, once they've been voted into office one time?

Not a huge fan of that sort of entitlement.

[omega minimo]

37. What are you defending?

What's your Democratic Party vision?

[LincolnMcGrath]

38. Waffles appearently

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4951026&mesg_id=4951353

[Capn Sunshine]

33. Why do you insist on calling us FAR LEFT?

That implies your boy Lieberman is "near left" or something of that ilk.

I really thought primaries were to serve the purpose of discussing this in candidates.

How did I, because I fail to see any merit in Joe Lieberman, become "far Left"?

Plesae indicate which policy positions and beliefs conform to this view of yours that make ME far left. I'm DFA, and worked for Dr. Howard Dean for almost three years. I suppose HE is far left to you as well?

Anti-War? Is THAT a FAR LEFT position now?

[MrBenchley]

45. "Teen progressives" also seems to fit the general tone.....

Enjoy your "third party"....

[LincolnMcGrath]

50. Teen Progressives AGAIN?

Let us go to the checklist shall we...

Teen progressives...........Check

Boboes......................Check

Denial ain't just a river...Check

Purge.......................Check

Far Left....................Check

(snicker)...................Check


Yep! Mr B is here!

You need some new material Bench

[MrBenchley]

52. Yeah, that's McGrath....

Nothing to say of his own worth the hearing.....

[LincolnMcGrath]

53. Says you! (snicker)

[Jim Sagle]

68. Ed Kilgore, is that you?

[Jim Sagle]

65. Paul Begala, is that you?

[napi21]

7. I'd like to see Joe gone too, but I have a question.

I watch a lot of cspan, and it's very obvious to me that the people who manage to get things done, especially via some obscure rule, are always the members who have been in the House or the Senate for a long time. I don't know if it's simply experience, or they just hire great researchers. I have been part of the "throw all the bums out" crowd several times in my life, and I'm pretty damn close to that now, but unless BOTH sides did that (which will NEVER HAPPEN) wouldn't we be at a disadvantage?

[opihimoimoi]

8. In these kinds of times...we tend to over simplify and rush a bit

Re the elections and who gets elected and how they achieved victory....there is a danger of being set up...meaning what we thought would be a good replacement for the incumbant...turns out to be a closet Pub/Conservative...

The Dem Party is fine...all we need to do is tune it up.

To go with a new party/movement is almost suicidal...

Better we define our big picture...one that is generic and fits all...letting the small stuffs to the back burner...

We Need to explain what the DEMS Stand for and what the Pubs stand for...the difference is vast and easily identifiable.

For instance: PEACE, we Dems would like to see PEACE and its obvious those Pubs want WAR....

What more can I say??

[Ksec]

11. We want the war to end but Dem leaders wont say they do

We want lots of things that our leaders are ignoring. Thats what makes people turn to third parties.

So far , we have maybe two Dems pressing for an end to the occupation while about 80% of the country agree. Why no Dem leaders?

[opihimoimoi]

17. The War is one side of things albeit its Importance...the Main side is to

ELECT BLUE...if we allow our selves to diverse and vote single issue..like the PUBs want us to...we ARE DOOMED TO FAILURE...

[MissWaverly]

19. People say single issue/it is not single issue

In most cases, the people who have been criticized have supported Bush not the Democratic
leaders on every single piece of legislation that has come along and vocally support his
policies. If they want to leave the Democratic Party and become Republican shills, fine.

[MissWaverly]

12. Joe Lieberman has turned into a Republican don't blame us

There is a very unusual trend in this country where elected representatives no longer feel
that they should represent their constituents, how many of those individuals you mention
are actually trying to act for the common good or for their favorite lobbyists. This
congress has lost the trust of the America people and will have to earn it back. Talking
to us like we are petulant two year olds is not going to work. We have seen too many tragic
deaths on this administration's watch to rubberstamp anything.

[n2doc]

82. Power is only useful if you use it

Joe may know every obscure rule (I suspect only Robert Byrd really does) but he never uses them to do anything against Bushco. I find it amazing that having a choice in a PRIMARY is seen as anything but good. Since when did we become the Soviet Union?

[mod mom]

13. Conn which is one of the bluest states, deserves a real Democrat. I hope

Lamont wins.

[skyblue]

77. CT is NOT A BLUE STATE!

More CT Voters probably agreed with Joe Lieberman in 2004.

Election results: Bush 43.95 Kerry 54.31 2004 Bush 38.44 Gore 55.91 in 2000. Even tho' the invasion was not going so well.

CT has Representative Nancy Johnson, and Senator Chris Shays. As well as a Very Popular Republican Governor.

Lieberman attracts mainstream voters and money (which seems to not be so important to the leftists in the party tho' ya wonder how the heck we could ever win elections without it considering that the Weeping Pigs can dominate airtime with their corporate donations). Makes the label "liberal" less unappealing to mainstream voters, and does not have a negative impact on other CT Candidates.

[Cleita]

14. I just got a letter from Barbara Boxer asking me to support

Dianne Feinstein, who "always is willing to reach across the aisle". Well I still like Barbara and she has my vote, but too late for Dianne, I have already voted for another Democrat in the primary on my absentee ballot and it's in the mail. The "willingness to reach across the aisle" is what influenced my vote.

I want my politicians to stand up for my rights and that of our young people who now are being sacrificed in war because Feinstein has been too willing to compromise with this unelected fraud of a government in power. I know if she wins the primary I will have to hold my nose and vote for her in November but it will be hard.

[MissWaverly]

18. well said, I like the term unelected fraud

My sister said last week, what if you were right all along, what if it was all a fraud from
the beginning and we have been putting up with all this because of the complicity of the media and the Congress.

[Cleita]

20. Your sister is on to something.

I have thought this all along too. If we get our nation back, I hope we can repeal all the laws they have passed, the Supreme Court Justices they have nominated and just about rescind everything we can that this administration has brought us. Somewhere there has to be a legal decision made that addresses this.

[glitch]

22. And get all our money back, and imprison them for the lives and resources

they stole.

[MissWaverly]

24. Amen, I agree

[MissWaverly]

23. I am not sure, but I do know Roberts was involved in Fl recount

If he was there as a legal expert only fine, but if he helped seal that can of worms, it
could mean trouble for him down the line. Although I think he is head and shoulders above
most Bush choices; I don't think Bush ever thinks in terms of public good; it's all
of the cronies, for the cronies and by the cronies.

[glitch]

21. Only if the reach is a slap.

"willingness to reach across the aisle"

[MissWaverly]

25. Yes, who can support the Thief of Baghdad & his 400 thieves

well it used to be 40 thieves but you have to factor in for inflation

[burythehatchet]

41. She really wrote that?????

I like Boxer, but how tone deaf is that statement?

[Cleita]

60. Her exact words in this letter.

Dianne has consistently reached across the aisle to achieve real results while also remaining true to her core, progressive values.

If Barbara wants to bail out a sinking ship I can understand it. Her opening statement was this.

On Election Night 1992, Dianne Feinstein and I won our campaigns--making California the first state in history to send two women to the Senate--and Bill Clinton carried our state by a decisive margin on his way to the White House.

Now I already didn't vote for her in the primary, so this is really late in the game. Dianne had to prevail on her friend Barbara because it probably dawned on her that Barbara was the popular twin.

[Hubert Flottz]

79. Reach across the aisle and come back with another handful of

the same old stale SHIT! GOPer light makes me want to puke myself off the freakin' planet! But I will vote for people who make me want to puke because WE MUST save our country from the EVIL BASTARDS in power now in Washington. We need to see that the democrats take back congress FIRST and then sort out the details later! Unless we stop the GOP train wreck in progress now...NOBODY WINS but the wealthy 1%, who are getting the big tax cuts and their Repig lap dogs. The numbers in congress are what REALLY count! No SERIOUS investigations into Bush's crimes, will ever start, unless we uproot the REPIG Majority in the HOUSE and any investigations that might start then, would never bear any fruit, UNLESS, we take back the Senate ALSO! VOTE with your brain this time and let your heart get even later. If the repubs win in November there will not be enough left to fight over by 2008!

We need to stick together to even hope to win. I hate some of these PIGS as much as you do and probably more, but I LOVE AMERICA and I want it back!

Just for the record I HATE Joe too, but some things trump the way "I" feel. Things like the USA!

[usregimechange]

26. That is the way to do it, revolt! Send $ to Lamont from Alaska.

[rpgamerd00d]

34. Look here for a full report on the CT Democratic State Convention

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1246978

[paparush]

39. I'm squarely in the Free-Fair-Honest Elections wing of the party

[burythehatchet]

40. that's a somewhat comforting post...thanks

[robcon]

43. But Joe Lieberman will win easily

I think a "moral victory" or a "pyrrhic victory" is a silly standard.

[MissWaverly]

61. I don't think he will win, I think he's got the beltway complex

You know the condition where you can just borrow the masterpieces of the National Gallery
and hang them on your wall and the DC cops know your face so you get waved through red lights.
Now, most would expect competition in a primary but not Joe. Maybe he thinks like Bush
does that he has a manifest destiny to be in Washington, DC. I look for him to do things
that will drive away his voters more than he has. He is not going to give up his support
of Bush who is not an asset for a Democrat running for office right now.

[leeroysphitz]

62. Too bad we still only get to vote for the 2nd party candidates. nt

[understandinglife]

71. HuffPo: "Al Gore Overcomes the Fear Factor, Hillary Succumbs"

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Whether Al Gore ends up running in 2008 or not, he is modeling the way our public figures, and especially our would-be presidents, should be operating -- from the heart and true to themselves. Standing for something more important than just winning, and more powerful than the fear of losing.

Candidates -- and especially Democratic ones -- need to stop fooling themselves that the road to victory is paved with pandering.

Someone should shoot a training film for the Democrats, featuring Gore as a D.C. version of Robert Duvall in Apocalypse Now. As the Election Day bombs of 2000, 2002, and 2004 drop all around him, he sucks in the fumes and declares: "I loathe the smell of fear on a candidate. It smells like... defeat."

<clip>

More at the link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/al-gore-overcomes-the-fea_b_21191.html

Worth reading several times ....


Peace.

[me b zola]

73. The Real Democratic Party = We the People

Taking back the party!! THIS is how we take back the country. Don't give up on the Democratic Party--RESTORE the Democratic Party to the party that represents the people!!

:hi: "Bye, bye joementum and anyone like you ...." :hi:

[DemReadingDU]

75. Thanks, good articles to read!

K&R

[skyblue]

76. Don't Be Hating Your Fellow Democrats!!

Your ads are Destructive to Democratic Incumbents. Very Helpful to the Republicans. No denying that.

We may not think that the best way to win an election is to run someone with an agenda that will be approved by mainstream voters and not questionable even freakish or nutty to mainstream voters.

Bush did win the Popular vote by a larger majority in 2004 in the state of CT than in 2000. IE he won 38.44 in 2000 and 43.95 in 2004 despite the fact that invasion wasn't going so well.

Hello, the DSCC etc are principal donors to Democratic candidates.

Sounds like you think everyone agrees with you. Right wing radio and C-Span have plenty of naysayers when it comes to the Dems. And certainly there are many Conservative Right Religious nuts who will not follow your logic EVER.

In fact the Democrats have a history of selecting Presidential Candidates such as Michael Dukakis who the country would not accept.

I certainly want a candidate that can win not a candidate who follows my holier-than-thou ideas.

[Skidmore]

78. Maybe the DSCC needs to select different candidates to back

rather than the same old same old. I'm for cleaning house in the party. If I wanted to vote Republican, I would.

[skyblue]

80. Maybe they should select Winning Candidates Who attract Mainstream Voters!

And not be CREAMED by a Very Smart Very Tight Republican Smear Campaign. Current Democratic candidates already maintain clout within the party as well as outside. People know them very well and have known them for years. Newbies are more vulnerable. And the Democratic Candidates who have already been selected weren't necessarily selected by the fact that they are Democratic but by the fact that people know them.

In order to make policy change, you have to make an idea popular. When an idea is not popular in a particular state, that particular state's senator or representative is not going to go for it. And you have to accept the fact that your idea and those of your friends may not represent that of the general voting population, just because it is the right thing to do.

Candidates that attract mainstream voters are actually helping the Democratic party from maintaining the "Liberal" label which has been used against Democrats time and time again.

[JNelson6563]

87. We proles have the power.

The key is getting organized. I am so happy for those hard working Dems in Conneticut!

Julie

[understandinglife]

88. "2006: The Year the Progressive Movement Became a Movement "

There are many reasons to be optimistic these days if you are a progressive. A look accross the 2006 campaign landscape shows that our movement is no longer theoretical - it is very real, and increasing in power every single day. But as the Denver Post today notes in a piece about our growing movement, progressives also face stiff opposition in the form of a corrupt political Establishment desperate to preserve the status quo. The confrontation brewing between this new movement and the Establishment is not to be downplayed - it is escalating, and it will have profound results that go far beyond just one election.

The notes that those defending the status quo are, to be sure, entrenched. "Political corruption comes in two varieties," the Post notes. "There are brazen payoffs, and then there is a kind of gooey rot: the venal abandonment of principles, spurred by the favors of corporate lobbyists and the need for campaign cash." Ultimately, "All but the toughest pols and pundits get seduced, and over time, the party establishment starts to stipulate: globalization is a blessing, free trade is sacred, billionaires need tax breaks, job loss is inevitable, workers are expendable, wages will decline, the war in Iraq is necessary."

<clip>

More from David Sirota at the link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/2006-the-year-the-progre_b_21398.html

And, for all the joementum and al from fans, and others of that ilk, you should read .

Get a hint - your version of the Democratic Party is dead. The PROGRESSIVE Democratic party of Gore, Murtha, Feingold, Lamont, Conyers, Clark, Slaughter, Lee, .... is the Real Deal ....


pro-Bu$h = Anti-America -- got that, joementum

[skyblue]

89. Sorry ! Moderate Dems -- Are Probably the Majority

Should any of the candidates you mention win without monetary support from the:

DNC
DCCC
DSCC

That you so abhor, I'd be really surprised.

Like we were with Dukakis (America ever so ready to vote in a candidate with a Greek background even tho' some 20 years-ish before they fought over whether Jimmy Hendrix could stay at the same hotel as his other whiter band mates) and Ferraro (of Italian heritage which is pronounced differently in certain segments of this country probably still) I'd hate to see us be foolish to think that the country is ready to elect a Libral.

[understandinglife]

90. I admire Gov Dean and support his DNC efforts. Try reading a bit ...

... more carefully.

As to your stuff about Dukakis and Ferraro - :shrug:

This is 2006, and we have war criminals in the White House and a few other problems, like global warming, a plethora of American atrocities, a pending fiscal catastrophe, and more, that Gore, Conyers, Feingold, Murtha, Lamont, and others clearly recognize and aren't afraid to confront.

How about you ... got something to say other than more ?


Never Forget: George W. Bush willfully violated National Security to cover-up his willful launch of a war of aggression and illegal occupation of Iraq.

[skyblue]

93. Here's what I meant with some of that.

I think we were a bit too sure of ourselves and nominated someone of Greek descent thinking that the rest of the country would be ready for a Greek President. Ferraro being a woman the country was not ready for a woman for VP. Are they ready for a Liberal President? Don't think so.

I admit I'm not sure what it takes for a bill to get addressed in congress. I like S. 810 and there are numerous medical organizations which favor S. 810 (which should have been able to force this issue into the forefront and is somehow being stopped by Frist). I read some post earlier by someone who explained why Democrats may not have such as easy time about doing this, and at the time it wasn't that big an issue for me.

I would vote for a liberal candidate in my state if I knew he/she could win, and if I knew that other races that are being voted for by all of my states inhabitants say a governor's race would be clearly in Democratic hands. Should I vote for a more liberal candidate vs. incumbent when it becomes clear that the governor's race is supposedly in the bag for the Republican who will be voted in by all my states inhabitants? To me that seems like the illogical choice of someone who wants his or her candidate to win. It could be argued that the seat may have been in Democratic hands for years therefore it could be most logical that a Democratic candidate would win whether incumbent or not. Or, it could be that the Democratic incumbent has been voted in because of his or her name recognition. Along with the fact that the more experienced incumbent may be the one who knows how to work the Hill, etc to get his constituents little things like government contracts or jobs. I always thought politics was a dirty business: you scratch my back, and I will scratch yours. Ish.. God Save All Our Democratic Public Servants!!!

Yes, GWB has done many questionable at best things, but he's helping the Democratic party, both Mods & Liberals, retain a higher lead going into the general election.

so, hopefully, there ya go!!!