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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 04:41 PM
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This Election In November 2006 Is The Most Important One of Our Lifetime
If the Democrats fail to take one chamber of the Congress, then Bush, his administration, and the Republicans in Congress will interpret their victory as the public's full endorsement of ALL of Bush's policies from the Iraq war, to tax cuts, to domestic spying, to his handling of Katrina.

More importantly, it will spell the end of the Democratic party itself. If they cannot defeat the party of a president with a 28% approval rating, then who can they defeat? It will show that the Democratic leadership is completely out of touch with the American public.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 04:44 PM
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1. Or they'll realize the real problem - GOP controls 90% of our airwaves
Edited on Sat May-20-06 04:45 PM by blm
and 80% of our voting machines.
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Poppyseedman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 05:16 PM
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7. The reason the GOP controls the airwaves is because
the dem message is not connecting with the avg joe American.

Progressive or democratic radio is not being locked out, it simply not being competitive in the marketplace. I know I will be accused of GOP talking points, but the simply fact is people pay to hear conservative radio. I believe people will pay to hear progressive radio as long as it's not extreme and intelligent

Not wanting to throw AA under the bus, but maybe the current set of hosts need to be replaced with people americans can connect with. I can only listen to Randi for about 5 minutes before her schick gets tiresome, she's rude and shrill. I imagine how a borderline rethug will feel listening who is looking to hear something besides the same old crap hannity puts out everyday.

I personally think the voting machine is a straw man argument. I keep hearing how Kerry lost because of voter machine fraud, but have yet to actual see real empirical evidence it was a conspiracy.

BTW, spare me the voter frauds links, I've seen almost all of them.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 05:23 PM
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9. AAR didn't exist till 2004. And it's not the NEWS NETWORKS' JOB to slant
Edited on Sat May-20-06 05:34 PM by blm
news for the GOPs because it sells better. Their job is to report the facts - not give the lies all the airtime they need while not covering the truth or giving it minimal reporting.

Typical example:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12799378/#060518

Relatively early on in the August coverage of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth story, ABC's Nightline devoted an entire episode to the allegations and reported, "The Kerry campaign calls the charges wrong, offensive and politically motivated. And points to Naval records that seemingly contradict the charges." (Emphasis added.) Seemingly? A more accurate phrasing would have been that Navy records "completely" or "thoroughly" contradicted the Swifty. In late August, CNN's scrawl across the bottom of the screen read, "Several Vietnam veterans are backing Kerry's version of events." Again, a more factual phrasing would have been "Crewmembers have always backed Kerry's version of events." But that would have meant not only having to stand up a well-funded Republican campaign attack machine, but also casting doubt on television news' hottest political story of the summer.

When the discussion did occasionally turn to the facts behind the Swift Boat allegations, reporters and pundits seemed too spooked to address the obvious—that the charges made no sense and there was little credible evidence to support them.. Substituting as host of "Meet the Press," Andrea Mitchell on Aug. 15 pressed Boston Globe reporter Anne Kornblut about the facts surrounding Kerry's combat service: "Well, Anne, you've covered him for many years, John Kerry. What is the truth of his record?" Instead of mentioning some of the glaring inconsistencies in the Swifties' allegation, such as George Elliott and Adrian Lonsdale 's embarrassing flip-flops, Kornblut ducked the question, suggesting the truth was "subjective": "The truth of his record, the criticism that's coming from the Swift Boat ads, is that he betrayed his fellow veterans. Well, that's a subjective question, that he came back from the war and then protested it. So, I mean, that is truly something that's subjective." Ten days later Kornblut scored a sit-down interview with O'Neill. In her 1,200-word story she politely declined to press O'Neill about a single factual inconsistency surrounding the Swifties' allegations, thereby keeping her Globe readers in the dark about the Swift Boat farce. (It was not until Bush was safely re-elected that that Kornblut, appearing on MSNBC, conceded the Swift Boast ads were clearly inaccurate.)

Hosting an Aug. 28 discussion on CNBC with Newsweek's Jon Meacham and Time's Jay Carney, NBC's Tim Russert finally, after weeks of overheated Swifty coverage, got around to asking the pertinent question: "Based on everything you have heard, seen, reported, in terms of the actual charges, the content of the book, is there any validity to any of it?" Carney conceded the charges did not have any validity, but did it oh, so gently: "I think it's hard to say that any one of them is by any standard that we measure these things has been substantiated." Apparently Carney forgot to pass the word along to editors at Time magazine, which is read by significantly more news consumers than Russert's weekly cable chat show on CNBC. Because it wasn't until its Sept. 20 2004 issue, well after the Swift Boat controversy had peaked, that the Time news team managed enough courage to tentatively announce the charges levied against Kerry and his combat service were "reckless and unfair." (Better late than never; Time's competitor Newsweek waited until after the election to report the Swift Boat charges were "misleading," but "very effective.") But even then, Time didn't hold the Swifties responsible for their "reckless and unfair" charges. Instead, Time celebrated them. Typing up an election postscript in November, Time toasted the Swift Boat's O'Neill as one of the campaign's "Winners," while remaining dutifully silent about the group's fraudulent charges.

That kind of Beltway media group self-censorship was evident throughout the Swift Boat story, as the perimeters of acceptable reporting were quickly established. Witness the MSM reaction to Wayne Langhofer, Jim Russell and Robert Lambert. All three men served with Kerry in Vietnam and all three men were witnesses to the disputed March 13, 1969 event in which Kerry rescued Green Beret Jim Rassmann, winning a Bronze Star and his third Purple Heart. The Swifties, after 35 years of silence, insisted Kerry did nothing special that day, and that he certainly did not come under enemy fire when he plucked Rassmann out of the drink. Therefore, Kerry did not deserve his honors.

It's true every person on Kerry's boat, along with the thankful Rassmann, insisted they were under fire, and so did the official Navy citation for Kerry's Bronze Star. Still, Swifties held to their unlikely story, and the press pretended to be confused about the stand-off. Then during the last week in August three more eyewitnesses, all backing the Navy's version of events that there had been hostile gun fire, stepped forward. They were Langhofer, Russell and Lambert.

Russell wrote an indignant letter to his local Telluride Daily Planet to dispute the Swifties' claim: "Forever pictured in my mind since that day over 30 years ago John Kerry bending over his boat picking up one of the rangers that we were ferrying from out of the water. All the time we were taking small arms fire from the beach; although because of our fusillade into the jungle, I don't think it was very accurate, thank God. Anyone who doesn't think that we were being fired upon must have been on a different river."

The number of times Russell was subsequently mentioned on CNN: 1. On Fox News: 1. MSNBC: 0. ABC: 1. On CBS: 0. On NBC: 0.

Like Russell, Langhofer also remembered strong enemy gunfire that day. An Aug. 22 article in the Washington Post laid out the details: "Until now, eyewitness evidence supporting Kerry's version had come only from his own crewmen. But yesterday, The Post independently contacted a participant who has not spoken out so far in favor of either camp who remembers coming under enemy fire. “There was a lot of firing going on, and it came from both sides of the river,” said Wayne D. Langhofer, who manned a machine gun aboard PCF-43, the boat that was directly behind Kerry’s. Langhofer said he distinctly remembered the “clack, clack, clack” of enemy AK-47s, as well as muzzle flashes from the riverbanks." (For some strange reason the Post buried its Langhofer scoop in the 50th paragraph of the story.)

The number of times Langhofer was subsequently mentioned on CNN: 0. On Fox News: 0. On MSNBC: 0. On ABC: 0. CBS: 0. NBC: 0.

As for Lambert, The Nation magazine uncovered the official citation for the Bronze Medal he won that same day and it too reported the flotilla of five U.S. boats "came under small-arms and automatic weapons fire from the river banks."

The number of times Lambert was mentioned on. On Fox News: 1. On CNN: 0. On MSNBC: 0. ABC: 1 On CBS: 0. On NBC: 0.

Additionally, the Washington Post's Michael Dobbs, who served as the paper's point person on the Swifty scandal, was asked during an Aug. 30, 2004, online chat with readers why the paper hadn't reported more aggressively on the public statements of Langhofer, Russell and Lambert. Dobbs insisted, "I hope to return to this subject at some point to update readers." But he never did. Post readers, who were deluged with Swifty reporting, received just the sketchiest of facts about Langhofer, Russell and Lambert.

If that doesn't represent a concerted effort by the press to look the other way, than what does?
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Poppyseedman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 05:35 PM
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11. You are kidding right?
The News Networks have ALWAYS slanted the news to sell it better, at least in the last 25 years.

To think otherwise is not reality.

During the Clinton years the network news was continually accused of being biased for Clinton by the rethugs. Today we are no different. Everything we see fits the template of our political views. If the news doesn't make bush look bad we think they are for him. The rethugs accused the media of loving Clinton, if the news didn't show Clinton raping nuns, they loved him.

Same game different players.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 05:39 PM
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13. I editted in an example. The only reason Clinton was impeached was media
Edited on Sat May-20-06 05:41 PM by blm
complicity.

The whole idea of a liberal media was SMOKEBLOWING from the GOPs who were busy buying control of it through their corporate cronies. Bill Kristol even admitted as much in the mid90s. It was a focking PLOY created as a political TACTIC.

You fell for it. Congratulations.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 05:43 PM
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14. You're Right. Those Do Sound Like Republican Talking Points
If it was all just about appealing to the audience, why aren't we hearing
more about what went on at the WATERGATE? That's the scandal that has
everything. It's got sex! It's got sex being used to gain the favor of
those in high places! It's in the WATERGATE! We've already had several
quiet and mysterious resignations and the FBI ransacking one official's
home over this, and what do we hear about it in the media? <crickets>
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 05:50 PM
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16. The truth is the message that is
connecting with the American public. Slowly sinking in to the buzzed brains that something is amiss with Bushco and his backers. The truth? Iraq is a quagmire, corruption in Congress, inflation inflating, jobs deflating, medical care and insurance unreachable, social programs going by the wayside. schools closing etc.etc.etc.lies lies lies.... Need we go on?
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 05:51 PM
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17. Really?
What evidence have you seen that you disagree with?

To say that that you think there was no conspiracy is foolish. You think the republicans don't get together and try to find ways to keep Dems votes from being counted?

But then you think the media has been fair and balanced, eh? Are you on the same planet as the rest of us?
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 04:44 PM
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2. I disagree
IMHO the one in 2000 was.
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Frosty1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 05:17 PM
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8. Right on!
:yourock:
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GregD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 04:45 PM
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3. completely out of touch,,, That is, as long as
Edited on Sat May-20-06 04:45 PM by GregD
don't Diebold and ES&S have something to do with the outcome.
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wake.up.america Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 04:47 PM
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4. One of the most thoughtful threads. ..
The world is waiting and watching. America will lose a lot more friends.
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 04:48 PM
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5. Yeah. And?
Where do you stand on Election Fraud?

http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060520/OPINION01/605200314/1031

None, I mean NONE of this rhetoric means anything without ballots that count.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 05:44 PM
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15. Boy, is NY lucky
They didn't take the HAVA bait and buy machines that are now proving to be worthless pieces of crap. NY won't be wasting any money on that, anyway.

It just came out that computer experts have found machines to be worse than they ever expected:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=428889&mesg_id=428889
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 04:52 PM
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6. Well, it's likely our last lawful recourse.
If the system fails this time, and no one stands up to challenge it again, there will be no more America as we know it.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 05:31 PM
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10. A "Loss" Would Show That Our Voting System is Hopelessly Rigged




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Totallybushed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 05:38 PM
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12. It's a very important
election, no doubt of that. And you are absolutely correct that if the Dems can't take at least one House of Congress they are probably finished.

But the most important ever? I don't know about that. What about Lincoln's election? What about FDR's election, which started a long period of progressive power?

What I mean, I guess, is that this was said about 2002 and 2004. And they were important, there is no question about that, at all. And went the wrong way. But there was another election after 2004, and is going to be one after 2004, in fact, this year.

It seems to me that the important thing is to realize that sometimes the opponent will force back our preferred policies a step or two. We just have to win and reinstall them. But winning is the key, and to do that we have to ensure honest elections. This is what is important
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 03:12 PM
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19. "the most important ever?" Hell Yes,
"But the most important ever? I don't know about that. What about Lincoln's election? What about FDR's election, which started a long period of progressive power?"

Hell yes it's far more important than either Lincoln's or FDR's elections. Why? Because a Republican victory would be interpreted by Bush that he has the public behind him if he wants to launch a pre-emptive nuclear strike against Iran, or broadened his spying, or destroy the entire socical safety network with excessive tax cuts for the rich.

My friend, our very lives are at stake in this election.

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Totallybushed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 04:26 PM
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20. Well, you might
be right, at that.
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KaryninMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 07:53 PM
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18. Correct. But if we are still voting on unverifiable voting machines-
Things have a good chance of staying just as they are which of course, would be a nightmare. That's why we need to get the electronic voting machine issue front and center into the corporate mainstream media NOW and not stand for anything except voter verified paper ballots or a verifiable system of checking the machines. November is less then 6 months away.


One way to propel this into the mainstream media, is to support whistle-blower Clint Curtis for Congress in FL (Dist.24. He is running against Bush insider, Republican Tom Feeney, one of the most corrupt members of congress. Once the news of this election heats up, it will be difficult for the media to ignore. After all, Feeney is the person who asked Clint, to design a program that could flip electronic voting machines without detection back in 2000, when these machines were just beginning to be used.
Visit www.clintcurtis.com for more info or to contribute.

Every dollar makes a difference!

More info: http://www.bradblog.com/ClintCurtisSummary.htm
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 04:29 PM
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21. this don't look too good
if we fail, we fail. Nothing will change either way. The Dem party will work with the GOP against the progressives, if they gain power this fall.

The more things change the more they stay the same...
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