OFFICIAL TRUTHOUT/LEOPOLD/ROVE THREAD #10

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Thread #9 is here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1231864&mesg_id=1231864

[seemslikeadream]

1. The reward is the act of struggle itself

It is wrong to expect a reward for your struggles. The reward is the act of struggle itself, not what you win. Even though you can't expect to defeat the absurdity of the world, you must make that attempt. That's morality, that's religion. That's art. That's life.

[stop the bleeding]

10. Thanks SLAD your posts

are always uplifting - I love the pictures along with the wisdom.

Peace!

[seemslikeadream]

35. i and i WILL discuss about this matter stb

Meet me at the bank of the beautiful river when your journey has end :hi:


They tried to fool the black population
By telling us jah jah dead
Say they tried to fool the black population
By telling us jah jah dead..
I & I knows jah - jah nuh dead - jah nuh dead

Jah nuh dead
Jah nuh dead
Jah nuh dead
Jah nuh dead
Oooh nooo - jah nuh dead

My knowledge increase
My memory reflect
Marcus Garvey did say

A rumour rumour rumour rumour rumour
Aah Marcus say

Jah nuh dead
Jah nuh dead
Jah nuh dead
Jah nuh dead
Jah nuh dead
Oooh nooo - jah nuh dead

It was I-man who say
I it's Green and gold, it's the rainbow

The lion the lion decrowned the king
The lion the lion decrowned the king
Inna in adis abeba - aaafrica

Jah nuh dead
Jah nuh dead
Jah nuh dead
Jah nuh dead
Jah nuh dead
Oooh nooo - jah nuh dead

Meet me at the bank of the beautiful river
When your journey has end
I & I will discuss about this matter
Jah nuh dead, jah nuh dead, jah nuh dead



listen to a couple of really great songs here
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4961027

[stop the bleeding]

42. I will

I listen to NPR twice daily on my commute to and from work.

Thank you :hug:

[DoYouEverWonder]

16. Thanks for trying

to get this thread off on a good foot.

What a beautiful picture of Phil Ochs. Too bad he's not around anymore. We could use his wisdom now.

[seemslikeadream]

40. 'Cops of the World' could have been written last night!”

:hi:

Cops of the World

Come, get out of the way, boys
Quick, get out of the way
You'd better watch what you say, boys
Better watch what you say
We've rammed in your harbor and tied to your port
And our pistols are hungry and our tempers are short
So bring your daughters around to the port
'Cause we're the Cops of the World, boys
We're the Cops of the World

We pick and choose as please, boys
Pick and choose as please
You'd best get down on your knees, boys
Best get down on your knees
We're hairy and horny and ready to shack
We don't care if you're yellow or black
Just take off your clothes and lie down on your back
'Cause we're the Cops of the World, boys
We're the Cops of the World

Our boots are needing a shine, boys
Boots are needing a shine
But our Coca-cola is fine, boys
Coca-cola is fine
We've got to protect all our citizens fair
So we'll send a battalion for everyone there
And maybe we'll leave in a couple of years
'Cause we're the Cops of the World, boys
We're the Cops of the World

Dump the reds in a pile, boys
Dump the reds in a pile
You'd better wipe of that smile, boys
Better wipe off that smile
We'll spit through the streets of the cities we wreck
We'll find you a leader that you can't elect
Those treaties we sighned were a pain in the neck
'Cause we're the Cops of the World, boys
We're the Cops of the World

Clean the johns with a rag, boys
Clean the johns with a rag
If you like you can use your flag, boys
If you like you can use your flag
We've got too much money we're looking for toys
And guns will be guns and boys will be boys
But we'll gladly pay for all we destroy
'Cause we're the Cops of the World, boys
We're the Cops of the World

Please stay off of the grass, boys
Please stay off of the grass
Here's a kick in the ass, boys
Here's a kick in the ass
We'll smash down your doors, we don't bother to knock
We've done it before, so why all the shock?
We're the biggest and toughest kids on the block
'Cause we're the Cops of the World, boys
We're the Cops of the World

When we butchered your son, boys
When we butchered your son
Have a stick of our gum, boys
Have a stick of our buble-gum
We own half the world, oh say can you see
The name for our profits is democracy
So, like it or not, you will have to be free
'Cause we're the Cops of the World, boys
We're the Cops of the World

- Phil Ochs

[zippy890]

89. Thank you for posting Phil Ochs

"We own half the world, oh say can you see
The name for our profits is democracy
So, like it or not, you will have to be free"

I haven't thought about him in years. I loved Phil Ochs,

and you are right, his words ring so true.

there was a person who knew who the real enemies are.

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

57. Hey Phil Ochs! I love that quotation too! n/t

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

75. Thanks for elevating the debate, SLAD. n/t

MKJ

[seemslikeadream]

119. For though they may be parted there is still a chance that they will see,

When I find myself in times of trouble, mother Mary comes to me,
speaking words of wisdom, let it be.
And in my hour of darkness she is standing right in front of me,
speaking words of wisdom, let it be.

Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be.
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be.

And when the broken hearted people living in the world agree,
there will be an answer, let it be.
For though they may be parted there is still a chance that they will see,
there will be an answer. let it be.

Let it be, let it be, .....

And when the night is cloudy, there is still a light, that shines on me,
shine until tomorrow, let it be.
I wake up to the sound of music, mother Mary comes to me,
speaking words of wisdom, let it be.

Let it be, let it be, .....

[Name removed]

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[Freddie Stubbs]

3. This whole thing reminds me of:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=194892

[grytpype]

4. Has it been 24 business hours yet?

And did you hear Wayne Masden says his sources tell him that yesterday Atty Gen Gonzales rolled up to the GJ courthouse in a limo and was personally told by the GJ that they intend to indict Rove tomorrow??????

Yeah, it's true.

Now some people say this is bullshit because Gonzales recused himself from the entire case, and anyway there's no procedure where a GJ has to personally inform the AG of an impending indictment. And that DoJ denies Gonzales was anywhere near that courthouse yesterday.

But I am a believer because I believe in what I believe.

And I believe Rove was indicted last Friday and will be again tomorrow, because that is what I believe.

[YEM]

5. This whole escapade is making me sick.

I believe we have all been duped, and I feel I need to take everything I hear anymore with a grain of salt. What bullshit!!!!!

[novalib]

14. These Threads Make Me Sick, Too!

Threads that cast aspersions on two of the greatest, most progressive, and most courageous people around -- Mr. William Pitt and Mr. Jason Leopold -- make me sick.

The make my heart ache.

Why can't we be more supportive of these two brave men who speak the TRUTH TO POWER????

[Goblinmonger]

24. Was that satire? n/t

[novalib]

29. NO!

Threads that RIP on Mr. Pitt and Mr. Leopold just depress the HELL out of me!

I mean -- here are two guys who bust chops to get to the the truth, and then to report the truth to the rest of us, and how do some of us treat them??

Like the worst liars in human history!!

Have we all forgotten that George W. Bush and his gang of thugs and his entire cabal regime spread NOTHING -- NOTHING!!! -- but lies, deceit, and misinformation!!

It's just SO UNFAIR -- and so hurtful -- to see William Pitt and Jason Leopold pilloried this way!!

We should be going after Bush, Rove, Rummy, Rice, and ALL the rest of those reptiles (and I apologize to real reptiles for the comparison).

We should NOT be attacking Pitt and Leopold!!

It truly makes me sick and it truly saddens my heart!!

[Name removed]

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[novalib]

58. I'm NOT Drinking Kool-Aid!!!

I am NOT the one who has forgotten who the real liars are!!

They are BUSH and all the rest of his corrupt little gang of thugs and lapdogs!

They are NOT Jason Leopold and William Pitt!!!

Have some of us drunk so much of the Kool-Aid that we have forgotten who the real enemy is??

Why do some of us insist on calling Jason Leopold a "liar" and neglect all of the MANY, MANY HUGE lies uttered by Bush!!!?????

[Marie26]

63. Can't they both be liars? nt

[Moloch]

66. Who? disgraced journalist leopold and rove?

Of course. They both ARE liars.

[Marie26]

71. Yep.

I don't see why we're obliged to defend a lie just cause it's coming from someone on our side of the aisle. That's the kind of absolutist, mindless rhetoric that the Bushies use. "My country, right or wrong." "I support BUSH & am sure he's telling us the truth about the NSA program, & I don't want to hear any other facts," "So what about WMD's, CLINTON lied all the time," etc.

[novalib]

87. Mr. Pitt and Mr. Leopold are NOT Both Liars!!

Neither of them are LIARS!!

Bush, Rice, Cheney, Frist, Rumsfeld, Hayden......THEY are the LIARS!!

[Marie26]

92. Referring to ROVE & Leopold

My personal opinion is that Leopold is lying, & Pitt just got duped.

[theboss]

95. Pitt duped? The hell you say.

That never happens.

[Marie26]

Never, ever

Except always. News outlets always have to deal w/false or incorrect stories & they usually just apoogize & run a correction. Why hasn't TruthOut rescinded this story already? Everyone makes mistakes, but I don't understand why they first fiercely defended the story (adding more "clarifications") & then disappeared completely. This probably wouldn't have become so silly if they'd just rescinded the story 5 days ago. The stalling is doing almost as much harm as the story, IMO.

[Snivi Yllom]

103. BIG TIME duped!

[theboss]

94. So Rove was indicted on Friday...that's the truth

Except not.

[Moloch]

65. I have NEVER neglected a lie from Bush, Rove or any of them...

in fact, I wrote numerous columns about the falsehoods presented daily by this misadministration.

Spreading lies is not acceptable, whether done by rove or by disgraced journalist leopold.

In fact, I think its worse when misinformation is spread by liberals because we are better people than bush and his allies at fox news.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

78. Columns? Where? Are you a journalist? n/t

MKJ

[Moloch]

88. LOL sort of.

I wrote columns for The Vermilion, my school newspaper. Looking for a newspaper job, but haven't found one yet. Ah well, its only been a few months since I've graduated.

If you're interested, here's my column on Rove and the Plame incident:
http://vermilion.louisiana.edu/issues/20050824/Opinion002.htm

[novalib]

90. I've Heard That Sometimes Journalists Get Jealous

I've heard that sometimes journalists get jealous of the accomplishments of other journalists.

Sometimes journalists who take risks and who speak the TRUTH to power engender jealously on the part of other journalists.

I understand that sometimes journalists who harbor jealously try to tear down and personally villify journalists who speak the TRUTH TO POWER.

It's just what I have heard.

[Marie26]

93. That's just mean, nt

[novalib]

106. You Want To Talk Mean???

Please --PLEASE-- do NOT leacture me about MEAN!

Look at what people are saying about Mr. Pitt and Mr. Leopold if you want to see "MEAN".

Calling someone a "disgraced" journalist does not strike me as being particularly "nice" (or whatever the opposite of "mean" is)!

I'm trying to be as nice as I can, given all the attacks against Mr. Pitt and Mr. Leopold!

[Goblinmonger]

98. I've Heard That Sometimes Journalists Get Ethics

And some of them actually think it is shitty when other journalists plagiarize. They actually see that as a problem.

It's just what I have heard.

[Moloch]

104. Oh my.

It is BECAUSE journalism is so important to me that I have such disdain for shady characters as Leopold who mock the institution by printing fabrications, plagiarized articles. It makes the entire profession look bad when folks such as Leopold are given so much publicity for shoddy and misleading journalism.

That, my friend, is my motivation for my continued vitriol toward Leopold.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

82. It's funny when we're trying to have a debate about the veracity of the

article, and the attendant issues with a blogsite trying to scoop the MSM, we are then called "kool aid" drinkers if we don't launch into name calling.

I'm glad to see the attack first crowd at least confined to a single thread. MKJ

[buff2]

64. AMEN!

I agree with you 100%. :hi:

[enough already]

120. I believe them, 100%

Why would Will or Jason lie about something like this? It doesn't make sense, unless Rove set them up. Today is the day the truth comes out. I feel really good about this now.

[theboss]

124. Why has Leopold lied throughout his career?

Does that make sense?

[tulsakatz]

61. I was hopeful until yesterday.......

...but now I'm having some doubts. I still believe Rove will eventually be indicted, I'm just not sure if we'll hear about it today.

I was thinking back to before the Libby indictment and I remember a few days before the announcement, people were reporting seeing Fitzgerald here and there every day for about a week! Now maybe that was due to the fact that the GJ was getting ready to expire or maybe not. But I have to wonder why we haven't seen the same kind of Fitz activity this time.

I don't have any facts to base this on.........it's just a feeling right now.

[robcon]

7. I believe facts.

Fact #1 Leopold is a liar - or he believed false sources.

Fact #2 Rove will be indicted, but I will wait for Fitz.

[bowens43]

13. If your fact #2 is true then your fact #1 is false.

[Goblinmonger]

21. Not necessarily.

Leopold said he WAS indicted a week ago. Unless the indictment has May 12th on it, #1 is true.

[Moloch]

46. Leopold is a liar regardless...

Claiming someone else's article as your own is lying.

and if that indictment is dated May 12th I will make a public apology for doubting the Pitt/Leopold sycophants.

[theboss]

32. If Rove is indicted today, Leopold is wrong

This is the problem with this story. The Pitt groupies are trying to spin it as if Rove is ever indicted, the story is write.

The story was written in the past tense, stating the indictment had occurred. In Leopold's world, the Karl Rove who appeared on Capitol Hill on Wednesday was a man under indictment.

[Snivi Yllom]

112. If Rove was not indicted or is indicted on any other day besides May 12

he's wrong

[Botany]

6. Just about done.

Do not eat but the gutting, putting on a metal stake, and roasting over
open flames is so much fun.

In the meantime have some fun with your fitzmas tree.

http://www.tbtmradio.com/flash/merryfitzmas.swf

[crispini]

25. Hi Cuddles!

:hug: And toss on that old Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers song.... the waaaaaaaaaaiting is the hardest part! :hug:

[Botany]

27. Hey Buddy

Just getting in? :blush:

So how was Mr. Waterfalls?

[seriousstan]

8. Breaking news........... Rove still not indicted and...........

Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead

update at 11

[Name removed]

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[novalib]

9. Not a Nay-Sayer!

I want to express, again and again and again, my DEEP admiration for William Pitt and Jason Leopold!

Both a truly wonderful human beings -- brave and courageous.

They both speak the TRUTH TO POWER!!

Hang in there, guys -- some -- MANY!! - of us have never stopped believing!!!

And THANKYOUTHANKYOUTHANKYOU for all you do!!!

[Goblinmonger]

26. I see it's not satire

You may want to do some research about the people you hitch your wagon to.

You aren't the least bit worried that Leopold was full of shit in his article?

[novalib]

37. I HATE Answering Questions Like This!!

"You aren't the least bit worried that Leopold was full of shit in his article?"

I HATE answering a question like that!

I WILL NOT buy into the premise of the question!!

You might as well ask me if I am the least bit worried that Leopold is from Mars!

Or if I am the least bit worried that Leopold is really working FOR Rove -- and is engaged in a massive compaign of misinformation, designed to discredit all progressive blogs!

I have NOT forgotten who the REAL enemy is -- and it is NOT Jason Leopold!!!!

Nor is is William Pitt!!

They are on OUR SIDE!!

[Moloch]

60. Jason Leopold: Is that you?

nt

[novalib]

84. I Am NOT Jason Leopold!

And I rather resent your implication!

I am, instead, someone who has NOT forgotten who our friends are.

And I am also someone who stands by mour friends through thich and thin!

[Goblinmonger]

77. Have you read Leopold's resume?

Do you know the problems he had had in the journalistic community?

If this story isn't true, which it already isn't, then the liberal blogosphere is going to look like complete fucking idiots thanks to Jason Leopold. You have no problem with that?

[novalib]

85. I Have Read The Resume of

I have read the resume of George W. Bush, and it is the one that is full of LIES!!

I do NOT understand why so many want to spend so much time attacking and villifying people who are fighting the Bush cabal regime!!

Call Bush a LIAR11 He is the LIAR!!! He is the fucking IDIOT!

[Goblinmonger]

91. That is what we call a non-answer.

Or are you so dillusioned as to think that the only bad people are republicans and anyone who is a democrat can do no wrong?

Answer my question, please. Have you read the resume of Leopold? Do you know where he was fired from and why? If not, do a little research before you hitch your wagon to that "star." If you have, how can you support so blindly someone who has done such unethical things?

[novalib]

96. I Know That

I know that Democrats can (sometimes and VERY rarely) do wrong.

Look at Joe Lieberman. Or even (sob!) Bill Clinton, when he signed that terrible Welfare "Reform" Bill.

And I would never judge someone because of any mistakes of thier past!

Who has not made mistakes??!!

I have!!

But would I want to be judged now because of mistakes I have made in the past??

Would YOU?

[Goblinmonger]

101. But when the mistakes you have made

look exactly like a mistake you are making now, you are telling me that isn't relevant. Is someone is a drug addict in the past, and you find a heroine kit in their car, are you not going to think back to the past drug addiction? Seriously.

[novalib]

111. All The MORE Reason

not to judge someone because of mistakes of the past.

If someone is a drug addict in the past (God, I hate THAT comparison!!!!!), and you find heroin in their car, I would NOT jump to the immeidate conclusion that that person was using heroin!

It's probably a "natural" conclusion to come to -- BUT IT COULD BE WRONG, and You COULD be doing the person a GRAVE misjustice by LEAPING to an unfounded CONCLUSION!!!

[demobabe]

132. This is more like

Finding the "former" drug addict in the car with the heroin, with the needle in their arm, and trying to sell everyone on the idea they're not doing heroin.

Oh, he was just taking his own blood samples.

Or, he wasn't actually doing heroin, it just looks like it. Don't jump to conclusions.

Really.

BTW, if Jason Leopold is reading any of this, get some help. We won't think worse of you. We will admire your courage to seek a path of healing.

[demobabe]

117. Of course you hate answering a question like that

Harsh reality doesn't fit within your denial system.

Understand that we can support the left and Jason Leopold's article can still be wrong.

I'm really sorry Will Pitt hooked his cart to Leopold; he's going to have to take responsiblity for that and deal with it.

You can't just give people a pass because they're "on our side." If we do, then we're hypocrites and we should just let the Bush administration have a pass as well.

You can't have it both ways.

[SidDithers]

113. Yes, we know...

I'm sure Messrs. Pitt and Leopold will be happy to autograph an 8x10 glossy of themselves if you were to send a self-addressed, stamped envelope to:

Truthout
Attn: Mr. William Rivers Pitt
P.O. Box 231278
Encinitas CA 92023

Sid

[Coexist]

11. ...never mind

http://forum.truthout.org/blog/story/2006/5/17/125248/099


"OK! It's Done!!!
CNN just reported on TV Rove has been indicted, official announcement set for 10 AM ET!"

Is this true or a sick joke?? I turned on CNN and Wandy Sykes is on.

[stop the bleeding]

17. I don't know but is this out in GD yet?

on edit: I am gonna say no it is not true cause it isn't anywhere on the latest threads and something like this would have blown this place to level 10

[Coexist]

18. No - I came here cuz I figured y'all were on top of it

the post was made:

by alsorising ([e-mail]) on Fri May 19th, 2006 at 05:23:07 AM EDT

[stop the bleeding]

19. I updated my post

I think no it is fakery/an attempt at humor

[Coexist]

22. I agree - I was just strolling through the comments and saw that

You are right. 5:00 a.m. joke. Grrrr.

[novalib]

20. How The HELL Do I Know?

I don't know who "alsorising" is!

I am not someplace where I can get to see CNN!

How the hell am I supposed to know if what "alsorising" is saying about CNN is true or not???!!!

[Imperialism Inc.]

23. Almost certainly not.

Someone on DU or any number of other progressive web sites surely would be reporting it and no one is.

[AllNamesHaveBeenUsed]

41. CNN

I am watching CNN and haven't seen anything on cnn.com as of yet.

[enough already]

129. Is this true????

PLEASE!!!!

[DancingBear]

15. Here's the plan for Friday, May 19th

I have to go stake out all the airports and bus stations and rental car counters.

You know, just in case.

I also am carrying a large poster-sized glossy picture that says "Have you seen this man?"

If he's in D.C. I'll find him.

Ayep, yep, yep.

Fitz IS a legal U.S. citizen, isn't he?

'Cause if not, well, I just don't have the time for the whole "border" thing.

That would take way longer than 24 business hours.

Or maybe I'll just stay here.

In my youth, when one of the mothers in the neighborhood wanted to call their kid they would just scream real loud out the front door. That might work.

"FITZ-EEEEEEEEEE!!!"

[warrior1]

28. Posting this for what it's worth

last message on this site...

I can not confirm this...

http://forum.truthout.org/blog/story/2006/5/17/125248/099

OK! It's Done!!!
CNN just reported on TV Rove has been indicted, official announcement set for 10 AM ET!

by alsorising ([e-mail]) on Fri May 19th, 2006 at 05:23:07 AM EDT

[Avalux]

30. I've had CNN on for the last hour -

not a word about Rove. So I would say this is a mean joke.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

39. yeah, nothing on the website either.

[stop the bleeding]

47. Good morning dmsRoar

:hi: howdy -ho!

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

53. what's up, stop? My fingers are cramping from being crossed all week!

Good morning to you, too.

[DS1]

31. This is getting silly. These aren't threads, they're Indictment Vigils

.

[keepthemhonest]

43. I know it has at least had me camped out here at DU since the

article last week. I was just hoping and checking like a maniac allthroughout the day and night.How 'bout now, not just because of the article but also because others in MSm have pinted in this direction as well. I think I will go back to normal after this weekend if nothing has come down.

[greatauntoftriplets]

62. They're funny indictment vigils....

Most entertaining.

[keepthemhonest]

69. they definately have me chuckling this week.

I think it is safe to say we all should want Rove indicted, no matter where people stand on the Leapold/Pitt issue

[Snivi Yllom]

100. or non-story vigils

enough for all to go around

[Jersey Devil]

33. A possibility discussed at Talk Left

Posted by jk
May 19, 2006 05:53 AM

There is a chance, albeit small and probably unlikely, that Rove changed his mind and decided to accept the plea deal (of course assuming the original story was true). That may be why nothing has (and will not) happen this week. Part of the agreement from Fitzgerald's end may be that he does not announce the indictment/deal publicly. TL had mentioned this as a possibility in the past.

If true, this raises two questions: shouldn't rove resign if he has accepted a plea deal? and is this something that somebody, such as leopold, would have reported? I don't know. Just putting this possibility out there.

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/014885.html#comments

[stop the bleeding]

34. taking a nap while surfing the internets ?

:) Thanks for the update - this is nerve wracking to say the least

[Jersey Devil]

48. LOL, it gets late early here

I figured Yogi deserves to be in at least one of these strings, more so than Hyman Roth.

[stop the bleeding]

51. I love your posts

also nothing is out of the question at this point, I couldn't even hardly get sleep last night, this is the first time that this has happened in many many moons so I can relate to the nap thing. :)

[theboss]

36. I think Republicans would want him gone

Can you imagine a Karl Rove who pled guilty to a crime in return for some sort of cooperation twisting House members' arms on Wednesday over immigration reform? Wouldn't Hayworths of the world go ballistic?

[Jersey Devil]

44. Yes, makes sense, but

let's say, for the purposes of discussion, that there is some sticking point, some bit of evidence that Rove offered that Fitz wants to verify before finalizing a deal that is holding up the whole works. Then technically there would be no "deal" yet and no reason not to conduct business as usual.

Since we are all just speculating, this scenario doesn't seem to me to be any more bizarre than some of the other's I've heard.

[theboss]

59. That's when you "resign to spend time with your family"

Look...Rove wants a life after these 8 years. There are millions to be paid on the speaking circuit. His memoirs need to be written. FoxNews needs commentators.

And if he has been secretly working for the White House while in the midst of selling them out, he's done. You can be indicted. You can even cop a plea and resign. But you simply cannot keep working while being indicted or having copped a plea.

[Snivi Yllom]

110. two big problems w/ that theory

1. The idea of a secret plea is absurd. Why would Fitz go for that?

2. Rove would still resign if he accepted a plea


Talkleft has been pretty balanced covering the Leopold story, but they are getting close to jumping the shark with this fairy tale speculation.

[Coexist]

38. DUer's comments make Captiol Hill Blue - they are watching you!

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/content/2006/05/drop_dead_day.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1231864&mesg_id=1232497

[DS1]

49. This isn't a personal message to you

but big fucking deal

[Coexist]

56. I get Alerts on Rove and Fitzgerald - this one showed up

I thought y'all would like to know. Thats all.

[stop the bleeding]

52. this is a circus to say the least

thank you for the update :)

[novalib]

54. In Case Any Are Looking -- I SUPPORT PITT, LEOPOLD, and TO!!

OK, if you are looking in, and want to report on what many of us think and believe -- HERE IT IS:

MANY of us believe and support William Pitt, Jason Leopold, and TruthOut!!

You (and I am speaking here to the person who posted on CapHillBlue) pick out ONE post in ONE thread, and try to make it appear that the entire progressive web community has turned on TruthOut and Mr. Pitt and Mr. Leopold!!

Post some positive comments about TruthOut!! There are several here!

[symbolman]

72. Why not go over there and post what you believe?

It's a free country, stick up for what you think is right.. I disagree, but would fight to the death for your right to say it.. in a way I sort of did already, got drafted during Nam :)

Anyone want to Decorate the Fitzmas Tree I posted the Interactive Flash on the main Gen Dis board, go have some fun and learn something while waiting.. you won't miss anything, the whole DU will LIGHT UP like a Fitzmas Tree if any news comes down :)

The first clue is that your JPEG is GONE.. then batten down the hatches for the shitstorm..

[stop the bleeding]

76. I would expect to see something like a level 10

ho-doggy! This place would just go nuts.

[Sammy Pepys]

45. I guess today is the day.....

First it was Monday, then it was Wednesday....will there be any further extensions?

[BurtWorm]

74. It will definitely happen on the next Fri"business"day.

We just don't know when that Fri"business"day will occur. It could be next Tuesday.

[onenote]

97. I think its gonna happen next "Someday"...the day after "Notoday"

[Marie26]

50. It's still here!

:rofl:

[LeftNYC]

67. I dont know

I have this queasy feeling that Truthout might have gotten duped. I think Rove will be indicted, but I dont think it will happen today.

[theboss]

68. What if it's May 12, 2007?

Huh? Huh?

Now we got something......

[symbolman]

73. There IS a lot of Temporal Disruption going on

maybe it's a mixture of Moonbats and Sun Spots :)

Like my newly minted term, "Faith Based Media", it's not just for those who demand Facts Anymore :)

[Marie26]

79. "Faith-based media"

That's brilliant. :toast:

[LeftNYC]

81. YOU HAVE A SCOOP!!!

Write an article and we can have this debate for another year. How fun would that be? lol!

[BurtWorm]

83. I'm glad you're finally laughing about this, LeftNYC!

Welcome to the club!

:toast:

(I'm hoping we don't witness a Heaven's Gate syndrome unfolding today.)

[OldLeftieLawyer]

133. Good point,

except that we're still counting down the 11,000 days binary thng that Dancing Bear figured out.

Well, actually, it's now 10,999 days.

[titoresque]

70. Dammit! See what I get for sleeping

I missed thread 9 and most of 10.
I heard thread 9 was going to be legend......damn my tired eyes!!!!

[sabra]

80. Capital Hill Blue is reading these threads...

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/content/2006/05/drop_dead_day.html

Writes a poster on DU:

I'll never read Truthout again. That site has let us down and this Leopold character is fool.

If he had any integrity he would accept responsibility for his screwups and not try to make up conspiracy theories blaming other people for his failure. That goes for us all.

[symbolman]

107. Yeah, like Capitol Hill Blues have any credibility

They fooled everyone once about three years ago, forget the article they ran, but it was our sole Retraction we posted on our site, and they fooled a LOT of blogs, only they were called Web Sites then, and there was only ONE Internet :)

Seriously, I don't take them seriously after they did that.. A lot of their stories seem flatly impossible, like they have robot flies on the wall in every room of the White House. They write like they live under Bush's bed, and tho they ARE the gang that can't shoot straight, there's never been a more secretive administration I think in the White House, hell, they're basically making CIA guys take LOYALTY OATHS now, and getting the Goods with the NSA on THEIR OWN MEDIA.. Corporate controlled, but they all have Fax machines that glow Cherry RED the minute Rove has a Plan..

[Quixote1818]

109. Thompson and Pitt once got into it. Probably why Thompson

is going after Truthout on this. Pitt wrote a scathing article about Thompson who once attacked Clinton for sleeping around and Thompson fired back with some really good points. Thompson goes after both sides hard which I admire but some here don't like the fact that he attacked a Democrat. Thompson is probably more Republican than Democrat but I am cool with that as long as he has is fair in the way he goes after each side. I like Will Pitt but I thought his article questioning Thompson's integrity went too far.

[Sammy Pepys]

118. Well, Thompson can't really go after....

...Pitt/Leopold/truthout on sources without awakening the "Terrance Wilkinson" beast.

[Goblinmonger]

86. Oh, Jason,

you're so fine. You're so fine, you blow my mind.

[Radio_Guy]

99. I'm going to take a break from DU

Or at least hide out in the Lounge. I believed in Jason and Will 100%. Especially Will. His work with Trouthout has been unblemished. I hope the truth comes out that Rove is indicted. But if Rove was not indeed indicted on May 12th, then Will made a mistake putting Leopold's story on Truthout. But everyone makes mistakes. But there are plenty of people here ready to figuratively, if not literally, crucify Will for that. And reading the attacks is getting tiresome.

A DUer even e-mailed me this link, saying how much of a laughingstock we are for believing Leopold's story. Well I will am not a laughingstock. I believe Fitz will do the right thing and indict Rove. But as long as emotions and ridicule run high here, I will take a break.

Peace to all.

[kpete]

102. Insiders: Richard Armitage Will NOT Be Indicted

Insiders: Richard Armitage Will NOT Be Indicted

Bobby Ray Inman's claims are "BS", claimed one very prominent Washington insider after reading TWN's report on Inman's claim that Richard Armitage would be indicted in the Valerie Plame Wilson outing probe.

Another well-placed insider who has interacted directly with many of the key personalities involved in the investigation wrote this to me:

I'm sure Inman is wrong on Armitage. But I am also sure we'll hear more about Armitage's direct involvement. I am additionally sure we will hear about Armitage as a witness against Rove if he is indicted.

Another person whom I can't identify but has direct knowledge of the direction of Fitzgerald's investigation as it pertains to Armitage and Rove stated that what Inman claims "is not the case". This source offered further that one "would be on 100 percent solid ground" with the claim that Armitage would NOT be indicted.

Another person with deep knowledge about this investigation called to say that Fitzgerald seems to have abandoned any interest in securing indictments regarding the "outing" of Plame and has invested his efforts in challenging the "white collar cover-ups" involved. According to this source, the information provided by Richard Armitage is -- more than any other information -- what has put Karl Rove at major risk of indictment.

I felt that these other insider perspectives are important as they are so uniformly consistent that Inman's claims are wrong, that Armitage made mistakes and immediately owned up to them, that Armitage has been completely forthcoming in the investigation, and that Karl Rove remains a prime indictment target for Patrick Fitzgerald.


more at:
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/001399.php

[H2O Man]

108. True.

Duers may recall last year, in "The Unknown Soldier," I explained how the OVP/WHIG would attempt to blame Dick for the leak.

[stop the bleeding]

115. The only Dick that Fitz has his on eye on is Darth Cheney

Good Morning Waterman and Good morning kpete! :)

[kpete]

121. Good Morning all

Sun is shining bright in SoCal...

My cat is anxiously awaiting news...

I have told her to be patient...

It is not WHEN it happens, but THAT it happens...

[OldLeftieLawyer]

130. It's not nice to lie to your cat

What if Rove is not indicted - ever?

The cat will never trust you again.

And then, you know what the cat will become?

That's right.

This:

[symbolman]

126. Wateroflifeman, question..

WHY NO RICE ever mentioned? I mean we've both spent a LOT of time researching all this and she (as I explained further down thread) was RIGHT there IN the WHIG group (who should ALL be dragged off to the Hague), on the Plane in Africa with the MEMO, talking to a gaggle of reporters about it, and the BOSS of ALL these lower scumbags THEN..

I can see Ari rolling over for Fitz, he read the memo too

No dirty rice for Fitz?

[symbolman]

122. Armitage was close enough to know what was going on

and kept far enough away to stay out of the risk zone on this one. I hope he is one of the many ways they take PigBoy down, Armitage knows plenty..

Here's my question.

WHERE THE HELL IS THE INDICTMENT ON CONDOLIESA RICE? NO one mentions her, NO ONE, and yet SHE was the Boss of ALL of these people. She was on that Plane in Africa with the Memo from Grossman handed to Powell, which while stamped "TOP SECRET American EYES only" Was read by TONS of people including Ari Fleicsher..

BOTH ARI and RICE made comments the next day at a "gaggle", THEY KNEW, maybe Ari is smart enough to Roll over, but WHY IS RICE NEVER Mentioned? It really pisses me off as I have a feeling she's being groomed for a VEEP position ala the magic of Diebold.. more REpig Coupe stuff, first woman, first Black, AND a repig..

Anyone answer that one, why no Dirty Rice?

[Snivi Yllom]

123. interesting, but you know what this is starting to tell me?

That there are ZERO leaks coming from Fitz's office. None, nada, zippo, zilch.

Anything else is pure speculation and third hand rumors.

[war on errorism]

105. update expected today..?

tucked into an email i rec'd from TO for Gitmo article...

FOCUS | UN: US Should Close Gitmo Facility
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/051906Z.shtml

"The state party should cease to detain any person at Guantanamo Bay and
close the detention facility," said the UN Committee Against Torture, a
panel of 10 independent experts on adherence to the UN Convention
Against Torture. The United States should also ensure that no one is
detained in secret detention facilities under its control and disclose
the existence of any such places, the report said.

TO will post an update on the Rove indictment story later today.


If You Do Not Donate...

[stop the bleeding]

116. We will all be waiting

thank you for the update on the update :)

[Hugin]

114. Is it time to light the source bonfire yet?

I've got all of these hot dogs left over from several business days
ago I need to cook.

[Snivi Yllom]

125. It's time to cook the Truthoutthewindow sources

[OldLeftieLawyer]

128. I'd vote for going ahead and lighting it

The angry villagers will need it to ignite their torches tonight when they storm the castle.

Plus, if you have enough hot dogs, you want want to put out a nice buffet for them. Storming castles makes angry villagers work up a hell of an appetite, I hear.

Maybe some sauerkraut, nice brown mustard, relish - any kind, really - and don't forget the celery salt. They love celery salt on their hot dogs, those angry villagers.

For the Communists among them, sure, ketchup.

I'll bring the Vidalia onions, all chopped.

Oh, and let's have the firehoses ready, When the angry villagers finally comprehend how badly they've been duped - I'm not sure this will ever actually happen - they'll need hosing down. We can probably steam the hot dogs over the vapors that will arise from their overheated and overtaxed bodies and minds.

Energy-efficient, that's what this affair could turn out to be.

Now, about this indictment that's been sitting around for a week..........................

[Sammy Pepys]

134. I would like to know....

...who Leopold considers a solid source.

[lonestarnot]

127. Thread 10 is almost full .... teehehehehehe... Red Rover we're waiting

[savemefromdumbya]

131. Gran Jury meeting scheduled at 9.30am today

does anyone know that they actually did

The grand jury investigating the CIA leak case is scheduled to meet at 9:30 am ET

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TheNote/story?id=156238

[Moderator]

135. Locking and opening Thread #11.

From Skinner:

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