Doesn't anyone have "dirt" on "General Hayden?"

[KoKo]

I'm sorry...but he looks like another one of those "soft spoken Nazi's" Bush has nominated who will Sail Through Congress and be appointed.

Chertoff and others have looked more sinister...but there's just something about Hayden that's "VERY WEIRD."

Yet...no Dem Site seems to have found anything about him that would stall or derail his confirmation.

Is my "gut reading wrong" about him? Is he truly the force agains Negroponte who will restore "Integrity" to the CIA?

Maybe I just see "Nazi's everywhere" these days. But, I grew up when Nazi threat was much closer in my psyche than many of you DU'ers who maybe didn't get to the part in your "American History" that talked about the "BUILD UP TO HITLER's GERMAN...ECONOMIC FACTORS AND VALUES."

Or, maybe you got through that part of your American History but it just seemed so long ago...you didn't think it would ever happen again. :shrug:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. He coerced me into having sex with him...

a whale shark, two clowns and a mime, a watermelon, and the goatse guy.

I haven't got any DNA evidence, but I'll be willing to testify.

[Nitrogenica]

2. Yup * appointments are embarrasing...like Bolton.

I hate the UN...make me the ambassador??

[paparush]

3. He looks like Elmer Fudd....oh..and he's KGB/NSA

[havocmom]

4. Nuthin' wrong with your eyes, KoKo01. He is trouble

Was wondering if he was part of the AF brass that is so pro-RW religious fundy that they pressure jr grade officers into going along to get along. The problems of religious pressure at the AF Academy keep rolling in my mind along with Hayden's argument with that reporter about the 4th Amendment.

[KoKo]

21. I tried to watch the hearings and just couldn't take him..

I hope they don't let him slip through. It's time for them to take a stand in the Senate. But, I'm figuring he somehow always gets what he wants...although I'd hoped something would come out that could be a scandal in his past. Certainly others the Senate has confirmed have had problems later.

[pnorman]

5. There's his CRIMINAL ignorance of the Fourth Amendment.

I gotta run right now, but will Google it later (unless someone else beats me to the punch). He was NSA chief at the time, and in charge of systematic trashing of that Fourth Amendment!

pnorman

[jody]

6. Why do you expect to find dirt on a Lt. General? Flag officers are under

constant scrutiny and typically the dirt you seek would have prevented promotion to Brigadier General and certainly to higher rank.

I don't agree with Hayden's philosophy but I doubt he besmirched his office or rank.

[LA lady]

7. I was going to post the same thing

The scrutiny at that level is intense and it's unlikely that there are any skeletons in the closet

[Jack Rabbit]

8. Dirt on General Hayden

He is a leading proponent of the NSA snooping program.

What else do you need to know? Isn't that dirt enough?

[jody]

9. Do you have a link to a statement by Hayden giving particulars of his

support for NSA snooping?

[Jack Rabbit]

15. Here's some. You can Google and find a lot more

NSA Expert Jim Bamford on Domestic Wiretapping: The Bush Administration Has "Decided Simply to Violate the Law" (Democracy Now!, January 24):

In a speech and question-and-answer session at the National Press Club in Washington Monday, Hayden, now the Deputy Director of National Intelligence, defended the program as “targeted and focused” and said it had succeeded in gathering information they would not have otherwise been able to get.

Top CIA Pick Has Credentials and Skeptics (The New York Times via TruthOut, May 6):

General Hayden, the principal deputy director of national intelligence, would also face serious questions about the controversy over the National Security Agency's domestic surveillance program, which he oversaw and has vigorously defended.

NSA has massive database of Americans' phone calls (USA Today, May 11):

Air Force Gen. Michael Hayden, nominated Monday by President Bush to become the director of the CIA, headed the NSA from March 1999 to April 2005. In that post, Hayden would have overseen the agency's domestic call-tracking program. Hayden declined to comment about the program.

NSA Warrantless Surveillance Controversy (Wikipedia):

In a press conference on December 19 held by both Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and General Michael Hayden, the Principal Deputy Director for National Intelligence, General Hayden claimed, "This program has been successful in detecting and preventing attacks inside the United States." Gen. Hayden also commented on the provisions in FISA allowing for emergency authorization by the Attorney General prior to obtaining a warrant. He stated that even an emergency authorization under FISA required marshaling arguments and "looping paperwork around". Hayden even implied that the decisions on whom to intercept under the wiretapping program were being made in real time or near real time by a shift supervisor and another person, but he refused to discuss details of the specific requirements for speed.

CIA pick: Phone tapping might have netted 9/11 terrorists (CNN, today):

Gen. Michael Hayden told his Senate confirmation hearing that the controversial National Security Agency wiretapping program he helped institute would have caught two 9/11 hijackers in San Diego, California, before they carried out their mission.

"Had this been in place prior to the attacks, the two hijackers who were in San Diego, Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi, almost certainly would have been identified as who they were, what they were and, most importantly, where they were," Hayden told the Senate Intelligence Committee.

[jody]

16. As I expected, the statements are general so on what basis does one

conclude that he specifically supported an illegal act?

[Jack Rabbit]

18. From today's herings

Reuters

Earlier, facing friendly questions from Missouri Republican Sen. Kit Bond, Hayden said the eavesdropping was narrowly targeted to suspected terrorists, closely supervised and regularly reviewed.

"We have a very strong oversight regime," Hayden said. "Targeting decisions are made by people in the U.S. government most knowledgeable about al Qaeda, al Qaeda communications, tactics and procedures."

"There is a probable cause standard. Every targeting is documented," he said. "No one has said there has been a targeting decision made that hasn't been well-founded."

General Hayden is expressing the view that no warrant is needed. Unfortunately, he is wrong. The Fourth Amendment exists so that the executive branch (e.g., the NSA) makes no searches without first getting an OK from a judge. It's simply part of the system of checks and balances.

Without that warrant, the wiretap is illegal. Here we have Hayden supporting an illegal act.

ON EDIT

While we're edit, please check out this thread, the subject of which is General Hayden's curiously unique reading of the Fourth Amendment.

[fooj]

10. He blew millions of dollars on computers that don't work for NSA...

That's all that I have...besides the fact that he was quoted as saying "the APPROPRIATE members of Congress have been briefed." WTF?

[KoKo]

22. And, Josh Marshall had up a week ago he had links to MZM/Cunningham

Scandal/Mitch Wade. I thought we'd hear alot about that after Josh posted but it kind of died. I don't know if anyone asked him about it today.

[Justice Is Comin]

11. Hang on.

Russell Tice the whistleblower might be brewing a dust storm.

[cornermouse]

12. Some might consider his defense of Bush's

"leave no American unspied upon" program to be dirt.

...I know I do.

[wildbilln864]

13. A few days ago...

www.cannonfire.blogspot.com had a post about Hayden. There's some questions for sure!

[flordehinojos]

14. did you notice how he arches the right side of his upper lip when he talks

just like cheney--except cheney arches the left side of his uppper lip when he talks ...

evil twins separated at birth, do you think?

[phoebe]

17. here's something from CooperativeResearch.org

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/searchResults.jsp?searchtext=Hayden&events=on&entities=on&articles=on&topics=on&timelines=on&projects=on&titles=on&descriptions=on&dosearch=on

EVENTS

October 17, 2002: NSA Denies Having Indications of 9/11 Planning NSA Director Michael Hayden.

NSA Director Michael Hayden testifies before the 9/11 Congressional Inquiry that the “NSA had no that al-Qaeda was specifically targeting New York and Washington ... or even that it was planning an attack on US soil.” Before 9/11, the “NSA had no knowledge ... that any of the attackers were in the United States.” Supposedly, a post-9/11 NSA review found no intercepts of calls involving any of the 19 hijackers.

Yet, in the summer of 2001 (see Summer 2001), the NSA intercepted communications between Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks, and hijacker Mohamed Atta, when he was in charge of operations in the US. What was said between the two has not been revealed. The NSA also intercepted multiple phone calls from Abu Zubaida, bin Laden’s chief of operations, to the US in the days before 9/11 (see Early September 2001). But who was called or what was said has not been revealed.


more

Senator Richard Shelby (R), the vice chairman, singles out six people as having “failed in significant ways to ensure that this country was as prepared as it could have been”: CIA Director Tenet; Tenet’s predecessor, John Deutch; former FBI Director Louis Freeh; NSA Director Michael Hayden; Hayden’s predecessor, Lieutenant General Kenneth Minihan; and former Deputy Director Barbara McNamara. Shelby says that Tenet should resign. “There have been more failures on his watch as far as massive intelligence failures than any CIA director in history. Yet he’s still there. It’s inexplicable to me.” But the Los Angeles Times criticizes their plan of action: “A list of 19 recommendations consists largely of recycled proposals and tepid calls for further study of thorny issues members themselves could not resolve.”

[KoKo]

23. So Shelby said Haydon was one who failed to prevent 9/11...

Where are the Senate Staffers who should have the info that's on this thread? We have to hope if we know this stuff...they do. Maybe he won't be confirmed.

[mtnsnake]

19. HERE!! Photo of Bush & Hayden practicing for the swearing-in ceremony

in private:



The same secret White House sources who supplied me with these photos also told me unequivocally that General Hayden is the mutant offspring of Sergeant Schultz (Schultzy) and General Burkhalter, those two Nazi officers from that old TV show, Hogan's Heroes. Both proud parents are pictured below with their son, General Hayden, in the last photo:

[KoKo]

20. kick.... Some good reading....if you missed today's hearings...

[KoKo]

24. Another one.....and go sign Dean's Petition! Stop Hayden!

[Ksec]

25. Yea, he started illegal wiretapping af American citizens.

Its right in front of our faces hiding in plain sight.