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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:40 PM
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You know that old worn-out "Hillary is too polarizing to win" expression?
The people who've worn that one to death are going to have to come up with another excuse soon because that one is quickly becoming a thing of the past. She's less and less polarizing with every month that passes.

In fact, for anyone who wants to pay attention, she's more of a uniter than anything.
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:41 PM
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1. It might be old and worn-out but it is true.
Good Senator......Lousy Presidential Candidate.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:43 PM
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2. I have no idea what you are talking about
as far as I know she is still a hawk, is in cahoots with that bastard MURDOCH, and recently called an entire generation a bunch of slackers. SHE F***ING SUCKS.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:44 PM
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4. Hey, she's got zest. What can I say?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:45 PM
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5. I do not call that ZEST
I call it IDIOCY
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 11:10 PM
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14. Lever 2000? Irish Spring?
Or maybe Lava. She is kind of rough and grating.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:44 PM
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3. Sorry, I disagree. The farther right she goes the more
she will continue to divide.

I will vote for her if she gets the nom, but she's too hawkish (among other things) for me in the primaries.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:45 PM
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6. That's an optical illusion
She only looks like she's moving right because she's making the right move left!
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:46 PM
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7. That's about the stupidest thing I've read today.
Are you drunk?
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:52 PM
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9. Do I get a prize?
The lady is just trying to bring the country together. She's got her ways of doing it, that's all.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:55 PM
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11. Yeah, well the phrase "I'm a uniter not a divider" comes to mind.
She's in bed with Murdoch. Doesn't that tell you anything? "Her" way of doing it hasn't worked for any of the other spineless Dems, and it's embarrassing. I used to like her, but to see her selling out is a big disappointment. I have no more respect for her--she's veering close to Lieberman territory, IMO.
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asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 11:00 PM
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13. Some B12 and orange juice might help you with that acid trip you're on.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:49 PM
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8. Saying it doesn't make it so. I think Hillary is incredibly polarizing.
Edited on Wed May-17-06 10:50 PM by Marr
I know Republicans who despise that woman more than they hate her husband. They may be disillusioned with the GOP, but they'd come out in droves to stop Hillary Clinton from becoming president. Add to that her slide to the so-called "middle" (i.e. right), and I don't see her appeal.

Yeah, let's risk everything for a chance at gaining nothing. That makes sense.

How about we get someone other than a Clinton or a Bush?
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:55 PM
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10. I'm all for getting "someone other than a Clinton or a Bush", but for
the time being, the rest of the field isn't sizing up too good. Maybe someone will come out of the woodwork to give her a little competition, but she's certainly not as polarizing as you think anymore.
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 11:53 PM
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23. I personally know two Democratic voters
who will not vote for her, both of them relatives. I'd pinch my nose and vote for her, but I'd certainly prefer someone else. I really don't know anyone who is pleased about her running.
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SoCalDemGrrl Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:56 PM
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12. Agreed- Hillary has zero chance to become Pres. Thats why Repubs
are falling all over themselves in support of her.

To say she is polarizing is a "HUGH" understatement. Unfortunately the RIGHT is lovin every minute of it!!

She is a TERRIFIC senator, but we must be realistic here......

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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 11:15 PM
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15. Outside DU, in the real world
I only know one person who is a Hillary supporter. EVERYONE else thinks she's unelectable and divisive.

I'm for Gore, and I dislike Hillary. But I would vote for her energetically if she was the nominee. We may get stuck with her for precisely that reason. Us lefties have nowhere else to go. Problem there is, the middle-ground people think she's a radical, hairy-legged, lesbian, witchcraft-practicing feminist in diguise.

Lose, lose.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 11:35 PM
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16. That sounds eerily similar to "inside" DU
although times are a changin.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 11:38 PM
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17. She's doing a helluva good job "uniting" with the conservatives.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 11:45 PM
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19. Ya just gotta have faith that any uniting she does will be good for us
Democrats more than it will be good for the conservatives. She smart that way and she knows the pendulum is shifting left, but she's gotta be careful about it.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 11:47 PM
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20. My god. "Ya just gotta have faith?"
How about you explain your position with REASON instead? I'm willing to listen but so far all you've come up with is crap like this.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 11:49 PM
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22. I liked it better when you asked me if I was drunk
LOL!
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Asgaya Dihi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 11:53 PM
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24. I like that you have a sense of humor
but I can't think of a better way to end up with a republican President than to have Hillary run against them. I'd hope she realizes that and doesn't push far enough to hurt someone else's chances.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 11:57 PM
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25. Come on
I'm glad you're being good-natured about it, but really...if you're gonna try to convince us to go for Hillary, you really should be prepared to offer up some good reasons for it. Kay? :)
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 11:59 PM
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26. faith? sorry, blind aherence to leaders is a GOP thing
I'd prefer to look at a candidate's record to see if I trust them and Rupert Murdoch's friend, Ms. pro-war, pro-bankruptcy reform, pro-flagburning amendment, has proven she's not someone I trust
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 07:56 AM
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33. Pro-war? Pro-flag burning amendment?
She might not be for immediate withdrawal, unfortunately, but I wouldn't say Hillary Clinton is pro-war, at least not in the sense that everyone here makes her out to be. She's no more pro-war than John Kerry, the Democratic war candidate, was or John Edwards was either.

As far as the flag burning amendment, she was never for one, but that's a story that gets spun here almost on a daily basis. In fact, she supported legislation, not an amendment, to ban desecration of the American flag in certain instances as a means to WARD OFF any flag burning amendment that the conservatives were trying to railroad through.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:08 AM
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29. No, actually I don't have to have faith.
And if the party machinery is stupid enough to hand Hillary Clinton the nomination, I won't vote for her.
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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:11 AM
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30. Yes. I don't have a problem with "moderate" per se...
...but she does seem to be going out of her way to piss off progressives, liberals and libertarians at every opportunity. The only people her actions appeal to is war hawks and right-wingers, and they've already got their minds set against her, anyway. It's one thing to set yourself apart from the left wing of the party, but totally blowing them off is not smart by any stretch. She doesn't strike me as a moderate, but as a less shrill Zell Miller.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 11:43 PM
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18. Yeah, she's sucking up to the Republicans
That SOOO makes me want to vote for her. :sarcasm:
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 11:48 PM
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21. Sometimes she works with them, but she doesn't suck up to them.
She's blistered the Bush administration as much or more than anyone, and not in emails.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:00 AM
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27. That's special
but I'm still not voting for her pro-war ass.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:05 AM
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28. Not saying who to vote for. Just saying the "polarizing" thing is beat
and doesn't apply like it used to.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:14 AM
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31. The Clintonites said exactly the same thing about Gov. Dean when he ran
for the Democratic presidential nominee. Just saying.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:45 AM
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32. she will be reelected hand down
A true uniter of NYS
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:10 PM
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34. I agree! She's a uniter! Neither Repubs nor Dems can stand her.
Good call!
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 05:00 PM
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35. Yeah, that's why her re-election bid for Senate will be a virtual cakewalk
because nobody likes her. Uh-huh
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:38 PM
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36. States frequently re-elect people they don't like.
Like 'em or not, a Congressman with some clout can be a boon to the district (or state in the case of a Senator).

I was speaking nationally, not in her home state.
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:42 PM
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37. I love the Hil but it is simply not her time....yet.
But - she'd make a wonderful Sec of State for President Gore
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