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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 09:14 PM
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May Rove have been too slick for his own good?
I hate to throw gasoline on a fire.

Therefore, I'll stick to biodiesel. It's a good liberal solution.

We keep going back and forth on this Rove indictment thing. Yes he was indicted. No he was not. Truthout is God. Truthout is a traitor to the left-wing cause. There's a reason I keep my hair short enough you can't get a good hold on it.

The one thing we know, that none of us can deny, is that Rove will spread false and/or misleading information about himself. IIRC Rove got his start in the ratfucking business by conducting a B&E of his own office. He "stole" some information about the candidate he was working for, then got the media to blame the crime on his client's opponent. Worked, too.

In 2004, Rove seeded Dan Rather with the infamous TANG memos. These memos destroyed Rather's career.

It is thoroughly possible that Rove tried it again--seeding the media with a story cut from whole cloth about an impending indictment, "24 hours to get your affairs in order," all that. Naturally, someone ran with it--someone backed by people who don't much care for Karl Rove. If all goes according to Rove's plan, Truthout will be forever discredited as a news source.

Now here's the scenario I'm thinking, and you guys are always good at demolishing them. Have at it, and have fun!

Step 1: Rove knows that every liberal in America is itching to see Rove frogmarched out of the White House. He drops this story on the media, and someone (Truthout) runs with it.

Step 2: Rove doesn't get frogmarched when the story he planted says he will. People get pissed at Truthout.

So far so good, at least for Rove. But here's the problem with this one: there is currently a prosecutor crawling up Rove's ass right now. If...

Step 3: Fitz waits until he can come up with fifty or sixty provable charges then, using the Eliot Ness strategy of not indicting on everything you've got in the first pass, drops a 10-count indictment on Rove's head this coming Monday

...things could get very exciting very quickly.

And, fortunately, it will also destroy the ratfucking business for all time.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 09:16 PM
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1. Rove has made enemies of many people...some of those
people were good people...

He deserves everything that's coming his way....

You are right...things could get exciting very quickly...I am ready!!!
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 09:20 PM
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2. We give Rove far too much credit. No matter what he might have done
to Dan Rather, he's not likely to spread false rumors about himself -- too dicey, too likely to backfire, since even he doesn't know whether he's going to be indicted. And anyhow, Truthout is not a major media outlet; nobody outside the liberal blogosphere has heard of it. If Rove wanted to stick his neck out in such a fashion he wouldn't waste his efforts on an obscure blog. He'd wait until he could nail an outfit like CNN.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:38 AM
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6. To liberals it's a major media outlet
Demoralizing liberals by destroying the credibility of one of their favorite news sources is something Rove would do in a heartbeat.

Ask yourself something: Would Karl Rove try to demolish CNN? I don't think he would. Every television news network is a major Bush cheerleader. The only real anomaly is Keith Olbermann on MSNBC, but he's one liberal in a sea of conservatives. There are five newspapers in this country that count: the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, the Boston Globe and the Los Angeles Times. The first four are definitely in the Bush camp and I don't know about the LA Times...but I'd suspect it's pro-Bush as well.

The real thorn in Rove's side isn't Truthout, although I'm certain he hates Truthout. The real thorn is Air America--imagine, a Liberal Talk Radio Network! I think what he wanted to do was demolish Air America--find a liberal reporter who feeds Truthout, seed him with this fantastic story about an impending indictment, get it on Truthout, have Air America pick it up then yell about how unreliable Air America is when the indictment story turns out to be groundless.

He would do this because Protecting Bush is job one with Karl Rove. He's got to deflect criticism away from Dear Leader because, of all people, Rove knows just how close the government is to collapsing. Rove isn't stupid. Rove knows the effects of running two expensive wars and gearing up for a third at a time when we're recovering from two major natural disasters--last year's hurricanes in the Gulf and this year's floods in New England--and reducing government revenues not only from cutting tax rates but also exporting our manufacturing base (which reduces the number of dollars available for taxation) is eventually going to collapse the country--and he knows that since the Republican Party owns the White House, Congress and the courts he can't blame it all on the Democrats. Especially if there's a liberal press.

So he's got to take out the liberal press, almost all of which is online--Air America, Consortium News, Truthout, a handful of big blogs like Wonkette and Bartcop--and he'll even sacrifice himself to do it. He's a good soldier. He'll fall on his sword for the Republican Party.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 09:24 PM
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3. I've said this before
If Rove's just playing a game, it's a dangerous one. I don't think he knows any more than we do about exactly when the guillotine comes down.

Fitz, god love him, runs a tight ship. Nobody knows what he's got on his targets until the last minute.

And we know Rove is an "official A". And they always end up indicted in Fitz's world.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 09:44 PM
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4. ALL Rethuglicans are too slick for their own good
Their refusals to accept accountabilty and face reality are precisely why they always eventually doing more damage to THEMSELVES than any Democrat could ever dream of.

:headbang:
rocknation
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:14 PM
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5. All I know is, when Rove f*cked with Joe Wilson, he f*cked with the WRONG
person!:)

Even if Rove doesn't get indicted (I think he WILL be indicted), I'd say that with this tense, long-drawn investigation, and his repeated pathetic trips back to try to con the grand jury, Rove is (to use a phrase of his own) "getting f*cked like he's never been f*cked before".

And that's good enough for me.:)
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 07:04 AM
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7. Don't be so hasty.
24 business hours may not have expired yet.

If Truthout was correct then 24 business hours won't have expired until the end of today. Assuming that Fitz's definition of a business day is 8 hours per day and a business week runs from Monday through Friday 5 days a week. If Fitz starts the clock on Monday morning at the beginning of the business week the indictment would then fall on Thursday.

Again It's not how anybody here defines what 24 business hours is. It's how Fitz defines it. It's his discretion as to when the clock starts and when it stops.

Fitz might also be inclined to grant Rove an extension to get his affairs in order if Rove requests one. So what Truthout reported may have been true at the time they reported it but circumstances could change in the meantime.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 08:09 AM
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8. Instead of excuses for one little ol' website
why not NOT report something until it's a FACT? Solves a lot of problems.. of course Leopold has never been wrong, so it has to be Rove tryong to take down TO..

Excuse me but MAN, that is a stretch...

I still think that Leopold Blew it and now all the Apologists are SPINNING just like the very MSM they despise, yet demand Validate a story that no one wants to touch because they've DONE their HOMEWORK.

So now it's been PUSHED OFF until MONDAY?

COME ON, When are people going to ADMIT that story was WRONG?

Never underestimate the power of denial.

And now since I have had an Opinion I will be called a Commie, a GOP team leader, an attack dog, and whatever else the Leopold Apologists can dream up..

Business days being pulled like taffy into NEXT WEEK?
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