Interesting Post at Truthout referring to a DU Post

[BeatleBoot]

http://forum.truthout.org/blog/story/2006/5/17/125248/099

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I could be wrong, and indictments could be sealed and Rove just won't make an announcement until they're opened. I think it unlikely, but still...

Mike Allen, in an exchange with Chris Matthews on 26 October, 2005, said this:

MA: Well, Chris, there's a lot of dead horses being beaten here. But there is a lot of activity happening that we're not seeing. What a likely scenario for what happened today is Patrick Fitzgerald got some indictments from this grand jury. He is now able to go ....

CM: Oh, you think they're sealed right now?

MA: It's very possible. What I'm told is typically in a case like this, he could get the indictments and now he can go to the targets and say, you can plead to these or I'll go back Friday and get more. You have 12-to-24 hours to think about it.

CM: I think you get a little Whitman's sampler of suggestions like you can plead to the process charge of obstruction or perjury. Or --

MA: Or I can add a bunch of counts. You can take a couple of counts, we can do a bunch more.

See:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=11 92093

[jazzjunkysue]

1. Real easy to believe. Thanks.

I like it, and it fits the whole profile of this case and Fitz's MO.

I'm going with it.

DEAL, OR NO DEAL??!!!!:hi:

[Sydnie]

5. Deal

I think that spells it out clearly. I think that the original indictments are sealed, with the promise of more if they don't cop to them. Squeeze play ... aw damn ... now I have an earworm too! :rofl:

[BeatleBoot]

6. I'm with you kiddo!

To me its the most obvious explanation.

I really don't know what the hubub about Leopold is all about around here.

It really just sounds like jealousy to me.

[Kagemusha]

2. It's rough on "us" and all but, this is an organized crime busting tool

If there really are sealed indictments, it's a squeeze play, serious hardball.

[htuttle]

3. So, that's a Truthout post about a DU post about a Truthout article?

Perilously close to an infinite loop.

To the topic, Fitzgerald plays his cards extremely close to his chest for a reason. He probably picked up the habit while investigating the mob. It serves his goals well -- which are to get convictions, not score political points.

[alfredo]

4. It's our very own echo chamber.

[TahitiNut]

7. Ouroboros ... (swallowing it's own 'tale')

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros

[bleever]

12. Why do I look at that and think, "Benzene"? I majored in

sociology.

Damn you, "liberal" arts!


ed: wrote "love" instead of "look". Bought an old Burt Bacharach record at a yard sale, and got confused by "The Look of Love."

[TahitiNut]

18. The benzene ring figures in a LOT of organinc chemistry

[darkstar]

21. Kekule's snake

I do believe. Right mate?

:toast:

[Canuckistanian]

11. Wave hi to yourself!

Maybe they'll pick up THIS thread!

[lonestarnot]

8. heh heh heh and a wooofucknhoo!

[Karmakaze]

9. So why is he doing things different this time?

Why not a sealed indictment against Libby? Or is this just a case of grasping at straws?

[DoYouEverWonder]

13. Because he's going after an even bigger fish

and he doesn't want to put more evidence into the public record yet.

[Karmakaze]

22. Makes sense...

but how does sealing the indictment do that any more than making it public?

[DoYouEverWonder]

26. It's like a poker game

You don't show your cards until you absolutely have to. That way Cheney and Bush have no idea what else you have on them. Fitzgerald gave them some bait last Friday when he released Cheney's annotated copy of the Wilson article. That should have been enough to make Cheney sweat a little.

[Pithy Cherub]

15. Fitzgerald wants evidence VERY high in the bush administration.

It's also why he has taken a limited indictment approach to Libby. Rove and Libby each have to prove they can give up someone higher in order to make more indictments not happen. Fitz is draining them over time - he didn't swing for the fences right out of the gate. The deals will be on Fitz's terms or not at all. :popcorn:

[lonestarnot]

17. Pop some more damn corn Ethel!

[Karmakaze]

23. I don't think he "wants" anything.

At least I hope he doesn't. I hope he is simply going where the evidence points.

The question still is why does sealing an indictment against Rove encourage any more cooperation from him than making them public?

[DoYouEverWonder]

27. It's called putting the squeeze on

and Rove isn't the only one getting squeezed here.

[Canuckistanian]

10. That's encouraging

And god knows, this case has a lot of twists and turns. This battle is not a simple matter of he said, she said.

And if they delay too long, Fitz will start handing out obstruction charges like candy.

[DoYouEverWonder]

14. Better watch out

the hall monitor will be here to stomp out this tread if anyone says the words sealed indictment again.

[nicknameless]

16. The link at the bottom of your post doesn't seem to be the one

from Truthout:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1192093

[Kingofalldems]

19. Sounds like Mr. Allen knows something

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

20. Less Than 24 Hours To Go

I predict that by this time tomorrow evening, it will be widely known that the rover indictment is to be announced come Friday. The end is near.

[Goblinmonger]

25. Remember

unlike TruthOut, you only have a very limited amount of time to edit your post to say 24 BUSINESS hours.
:rofl:

[Goblinmonger]

24. OK, let's assume this is true

Why didn't the dozens of sources that Leopold has confirming his story tell him it was sealed? Why, when it became clear that the 24 hour thing was a crock of manure, didn't he come out and say, "Sorry, it seems the indictments are sealed so there will be a delay" instead of the stellar response of, "Did I say 24 hours, I meant 24 BUSINESS hours. Yeah, BUSINESS hours, that's the ticket, BUSINESS hours"?

[Skinner]

28. Locking

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