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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 05:48 PM
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"A clear federal crime ordered by the president more than 30 times"
Edited on Wed May-17-06 05:49 PM by swag
GWU law professor Jonathan Turley has a great OpEd in today's USA today (via Laura Rozen and DU's w8liftinglady)

http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20060517/oplede17.art.htm

This month, Congress is faced with a most inconvenient crime. With the recent disclosure of a massive secret database program run by the National Security Agency involving tens of millions of innocent Americans, members are confronted with a second intelligence operation that not only lacks congressional authorization but also appears patently unlawful. In December, the public learned that the NSA was engaging in warrantless domestic surveillance of overseas communications — an operation many experts believe is a clear federal crime ordered by the president more than 30 times.

What is most striking about these programs is that they were revealed not by members of Congress but by members of the Fourth Estate: Journalists who confronted Congress with evidence of potentially illegal conduct by this president that was known to various congressional leaders.

In response, President Bush has demanded to know who will rid him of these meddlesome whistleblowers, and various devout members have rushed forth with cudgels and codes in hand.

Now, it appears Congress is finally acting — not to end alleged criminal acts by the administration, mind you, but to stop the public from learning about such alleged crimes in the future. Members are seeking to give the president the authority to continue to engage in warrantless domestic surveillance as they call for whistleblowers to be routed out. They also want new penalties to deter both reporters and their sources.

. . .

It is time to separate true patriots from cringing politicians. The assertion of unchecked power by this president has created a danger to our constitutional system. Congress must demand an independent investigation of these programs. It must also pass a federal shield law and strengthen whistleblower protections to preserve the only current check on governmental abuse. It should change the federal law to prevent the abusive use of the Espionage Act, such as in the AIPAC case. Finally, it should revamp the intelligence oversight system, which has long been viewed as a pathetic paper tiger with either little interest or ability in checking abuses.

The Framers gave us a free press as the final safety net if all other checks and balances in the three branches of government should fail. With the failure of both parties in Congress to exercise oversight responsibilities, the importance of a free press has been vividly demonstrated. The public now has a choice. It can live in self-imposed ignorance, or it can fight for an open society. Not hearing about alleged crimes by your government is certainly a comfort, but not having crimes occur would be an even greater one.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 05:51 PM
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1. That is a very strongly-worded article. Kudos to Turley! :-)
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 05:52 PM
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2. I hope this gets a lot of attention and gets passed around.
That is an awesome OpEd.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 07:09 PM
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6. I'm going to ask my Republican Senator what he thinks about it.
It's been a while since I've bugged ol' Gordon and his staff.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 05:53 PM
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3. Go Jonathan Turley! - n/t
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 05:59 PM
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4. And to the talking heads who try to blame Dems
Someone on a MSNBC gabfest the other night tried to blame Dems on the senate intel committee for not taking action when they knew illegal spying on US citizens was approved.

I guess they forgot about Jay Rockefeller's letter revealed a few months back...

http://a9.g.akamai.net/7/9/8082/v002/democratic1.download.akamai.com/8082/pdfs/20051219_Rockfellerletter.pdf
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shadowlight Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 07:16 PM
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7. That was the first thing
i thought of when i read the article.
Thanks for the link.
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Trish1168 Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 05:59 PM
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5. This is one of the big reasons for low poll numbers.
People are worried about our turning into a dictatorship and we need to throw these bums out before they do. I wish we could throw them out now, before something happens that prevents us from doing so. I very much worry about some type of October surprise.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 07:16 PM
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8. Damn! A great big K&R
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 07:59 PM
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9. And another!
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 08:11 PM
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10. Excellent article, thanks for posting!
Turley has been consistent and, might I say, courageous under the current conditions, in publicly excoriating both bush and congress over their actions and in-actions.

Recommended.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 08:47 PM
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11. Wow, what a jewel! Thanks for the post. I imagine B* hasn't even read
The Federalist Papers, let alone The Constitution.

:kick: and R! (Strongly R'd...would vote twice if I could!)


"The assertion of unchecked power by this president has created a danger to our constitutional system."

"The Framers gave us a free press as the final safety net if all other checks and balances in the three branches of government should fail."



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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 09:25 PM
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14. I like the idea of all the bored business travelers who need
something to read getting such a powerful essay delivered to their hotel room door.

Nice excerpts, Sara.

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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 11:41 PM
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16. Let's hope it awakens a passion in their hearts to save our wonderful
country (because of it's constitution) from these evil, maniacal beasts and tyrants who are currently occupying our WH.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 08:52 PM
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12. Another kick for a great OpEd.
Edited on Wed May-17-06 08:54 PM by WiseButAngrySara
:kick:!

Had to edit my kick! LOL...
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 08:55 PM
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13. And another kick! ....n/t
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 11:27 PM
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15. K&R (nt)
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 11:42 PM
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17. Another kick for late night DUer viewers! ....n/t
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 08:40 AM
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18. K&R. nt
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 10:59 AM
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19. Something to keep in mind about Turley
He was hardly the champion of the Democrats' views during the Clinton imbroglio.

I mention this not to try to discredit what he's said here, but in fact to give it more weight and to try to establish one more talking point.

This op ed is an antidote to the 'Clinton did it' meme. One simply cannot have it both ways. If anyone thinks Turley was right in the Clinton years, then they have to accept as valid his views here. The same goes for our side ...... if you accept what he says here as having some weight, then you need to acknowlege that what he said then also had weight.

This is not to endorse or reject his opinon then or now. Each case he makes should be debated on the **merit**. So when your RW 'buddies' try to pooh pooh this out of hand, challenge them on it. They are being either dishonest or forgetful (intentionally or otherwise).

Defuse (as opposed to 'diffuse') and distract as we have been defused and distracted.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 11:18 AM
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20. Thanks for the elaboration.
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:25 PM
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21. Impeachment is the ONLY moral, patriotic option n/t
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 03:15 PM
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Turley. Now I remember. He was on Countdown last week and it was
the best thing I'd seen on there for quite a while.
K+R
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 04:13 PM
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23. You almost make me wish I had cable.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 04:43 PM
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24. cable is so overrated.
i'm going to unplug it when the sopranos ends. it is fun watching the show w/ sharon, kelly and patsy, et al.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 03:15 PM
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22. Turley. Now I remember. He was on Countdown last week and it was
the best thing I'd seen on there for quite a while.
K+R
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 05:42 PM
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25. Why does Turley hate Bush's Freedom to hate our freedom?
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