Can someone just tell me one thing re: Rove/Luskin...

[garybeck]

let's assume for the moment that the story is true. Rove has already been indicted, the meeting took place, etc. The spokesman is lying. Luskin is lying.

My question

what purpose would all this lying serve? They know that they can't hide it forever and eventually there will be an official announcement, a press conference, and a resignation. at that point, they are confirmed liars and nothing they do or say after that has any credibility whatsoever.

when there is unavoidable damage, the usual tactic is to get through it as quickly as possible. have your press conference and take off. get it over with.

I'm trying to see what they would have to gain, by just lying about it for a few days before the truth gets out. I can't see any benefit in this at all.

let's say today's article is true too - that the MSM knows he's been indicted but they're also not reporting it. similarly, what purpose would this serve? if they know it's true, they surely know it will have to be officially announced in the near future, so why hold back and allow someone else to scoop the biggest story of the year? Even if we agree the MSM is just a lapdog for Rove, they know they will have to report on this as soon as Fitz has a press conference. Why would they hold back if they know it's already happened, unless they really think there is a chance that Rove is going to squeak out of it somehow.

it seems to me like they have something up their sleeve. like a third option that hasn't been considered.

but if anyone has a plausible explanation why they would lie about it for just a few days, and what they would have to gain from this, help me out here.

[Midlodemocrat]

1. They need time to work on the spin.

Frankly, I believe Jason. Mostly because I trust Will Pitt.

[catnhatnh]

4. You are half right....

that was the original motive.But once the first freeper saw the discord spread over liberal boards like this one, then that became an end in itself....endgame-he will be indicted,but if lying just a bit more divides liberals-well HEY,they were going to get caught lying anyway.....

[katty]

6. right and they have no shame about lying all the time

[LA lady]

2. Chicago or D.C.

And why, if the courthouse and lawyer's offices were covered by media on Friday, have we not seen one picture of Rove, Fitz or Luskin at any of these places? If the media is being silenced, that shouldn't prevent them from showing proof of a meeting??
Fitz watchers, was he in Chicago or D.C. on Friday?

[dubyaD40web]

3. Because that's what * & Co. do.

They lie all the time.

Ken Lay, I hardly know the guy.

Chalabi, I hardly know the guy.

Blah, Blah, Blah....

[garybeck]

8. but there is usually a purpose to their lies

Ken Lay will lie because it could help him get off.

If rove is already indicted, there's nothing to gain from lying about it.

maybe it's just a case of the bully being caught in a corner, and acting irrationally. hope so.

[Pithy Cherub]

19. Actually there is a reason to lie.

If you accept the premise that bush's entire political career was strategically engineered by Rove and he is the principal architect of the 2006 republican mid terms, there is a whole lot to protect for the Bush administration. Further, if Fitz isn't going to contradict them about lying until he's good and ready - why fold your corrupt cards early when more work needs to be done. Rove is a huge blow to Bush and is the political player that he has over-relied on. Bush can't imagine Rove not being there. What happens for the most part when republicans who are in powerful positions first get caught - they lie like these people:

Haldeman, Ehrlichman, Liddy, McCord, C. Weinberger, Meese, Nixon, Reagan, Bush 41, Bush 43, Rove, Libby, Bolton, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Abramoff, DeLay and that's the really short list.

It may be their way of managing cognitive dissonance.

[garybeck]

20. i still don't see a reason really

if we're only talking about a few days of postponing the inevitable.

the bottom line is, grand jury testimony can be sealed. but the actual trial can't. so if he's indicted, everything from now on is going to be public. so he can't say he's not indicted if he is for very long. I don't see the purpose in putting it off a few days.

[DemReadingDU]

5. maybe they are waiting for a more explosive story

something really really huge, that everyone would be watching and writing about (think Katrina). That's when we'll hear about Rove being indicted and hardly anyone would pay attention to Rove because they would be focused on the other explosive story.

[garybeck]

9. that's what I was thinking

when I said "something up their sleeve".

if a war started with Iran, or God forbid, we were attacked, rove being indicted would be a side story. I hope that's not where this is going, but something is fishy.

[caledesi]

15. That's what I think. Cheney with his handwritten notes in the

margin. Then Cheney saying Bush told him to release the info on Plame (was just on CNN)....I will bet Fitz is going crazy trying to organize all these criminals.

[Jacobin]

7. I don't know

I don't think anyone really knows what is going on except Fitzgerald, his staff, and the grand jury.

[BooScout]

10. Bush and his administration has lied for 6 years....

Look how far they have gotten with lying over and over and over again. You have to ask why they should lie?

[lonestarnot]

11. A couple of days.

I really think they believe the castle is going to be stormed. Maybe they need the time to barricade the doors? :shrug:

[Dora]

12. Hypothetically speaking, let's say that you've told a BIG FAT LIE.

And you KNOW that lie will soon be found out. However, when that lie is found out, you'll be faced with ENORMOUS CONSEQUENCES - it could be anything. Loss of job, loss of marriage or other personal relationships, loss of money, respect, prestige, vehicle, ego, etc. At stake is a significant amount of personal loss. What do you do while you're waiting for the lie to surface? You line up your defenses. You reconcile your resources and your CYA stories. You ingratiate yourself to your peers and your loved ones. You suck up to your boss and you clean your office, house, and vehicle. Why? Because you don't want to be called a liar. You want everyone to see what a fine, upstanding, honest person you are, a fine person who just happened to have made a mistake in judgement. You spend your time getting your ducks in a row and waiting for the axe to fall, hoping that you'll be able to dodge it on its way down.

So, what's Rove and Bushco doing? They're doing the same thing. They're working on each other's alibis, they're distracting the media with red herrings, they're comparing notes on who-said-what-when so that they don't contradict each other. They're cleaning out their goddamn computers, offices, homes, and vehicles. They're fighting and arguing with each other over who's going to take the fall for whom, and they're at each other's throats every bleeding second.

What are they doing? They're wetting their pants because they're on the verge of losing all control of the terrible mess they've made, and they're scared shitless of the trials that WILL come.

[garybeck]

14. I like your explanation best so far,

I guess a few days of prep work is worth a few more lies.

[DemReadingDU]

17. Excellent! Thank you for your hypothetical thoughts!

[notadmblnd]

13. I think that maybe Rove has been given an option

to either be indicted or turn on Cheney and how the situation is going to be resolved is now being negotiated. Offer, counter offer, offer, counter offer.

Only time will tell.

[tulsakatz]

16. look at their reputations....

....have you ever known these guys to just come out and say 'yes, I lied' for any reason? It's just not something they do, they're much more comfortable with lying, even if it is against their own best interest.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

18. Because they always lie, and because they have some....

...legislation to get passed involving immigration, and CIA Director to get confirmed, and a major domestic spying program to sweep under the rug.

Rove is vital to all of those NeoCon activities, but he will have to resign if the indictment(s) becopme public. And if he resigns, the wheels will come off the NeoCon agenda.

[spuddonna]

21. I think KKKarl, being KKarl - a vindictive, conniving person at heart...

... really didn't set this up... he just saw an opportunity.

The Leopold story breaks, but no MSM cover it. KKKarl is probably alternating between sweating/losing more weight, and being furious that Leopold is breaking the story before he can get a full handle on the spin. KKKarl sees the lack of confirmation from the MSM and thinks, "Hey, I could really screw this bastard loose cannon, non-MSM controlled investigative reporter! Send the mouthpieces out to lie to the public. What do they have to lose? They aren't under oath!"

And KKKarl puts one more notch on his holster... Why go down alone, when you can take others with you?

[foo_bar]

22. maybe they aren't exactly "lying"

Indirect quotes provided by talkleft:

"Karl Rove has not been indicted nor told he would be indicted"

Doubletalk to english: only a grand jury can tell Rove he -would- be indicted, but he surely -could- be indicted any day now.

"Karl Rove did not tell the President he would resign.

And he hasn't, yet!

"As far as Corallo knows (and he is in contact with Luskin) Fitzgerald has not yet made up his mind as to whether to charge Rove."

As far as Corallo knows, Luskin thinks all of his clients are innocent.

"He says there is not an ounce of truth to anything Jason wrote. He says he made it up."

Translation: there might be truth to what Jason wrote, but it weighs less than an ounce, if you could put truth on a scale.

[Moderator]

23. locking.....

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