New conservative meme: "I'm really more of a Libertarian"

[Patiod]

I've heard this one from more than one formerly rabid Republican - nice way to distance from Chimpy's nonsense, I guess.

Anyone else hearing this?

As I mentioned yesterday, I also heard "oh, I'm not interested in Bush or Santorum. I only pay attention to local issues like Supervisors and school board because I care so much about my kids' future. All politics is local!" (this from an idiot who LOVED Bush and Santorum last election, and who told my SO yesterday that there's no such thing as global warming, prompting SO to ask "so how can you say care about your kids' future?")

[Ian David]

1. Because in the future, HIS kids will own a summer home in Alaska...

where they can swim in the ocean and laugh while they watch the polar bears drown.

[ShortnFiery]

2. At this point ...

Any port in a storm? ;) If it helps the republicans stay home or actually turn and vote for democrats. Well God Bless Them for "whatever" converted them. :shrug: :hi:

[bryant69]

3. Yeah I have a friend who says this.

In fairness he really is a libertarian - but he's still pretty much in the pocket for Bush.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[treestar]

8. Even the ones who voted for him who now "disapprove"

of the job he is doing might still haved vote for him again.

[bryant69]

20. There it is. He was very clear that he would not vote for a Democrat

Ever.

No matter how badly the Republicans screw it up, at least they are ideologically on the right page.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Hubert Flottz]

4. Libertarian sounds better than...

S-U-C-K-E-R!

[Dudley_DUright]

5. Libertarians for Big Brother

:crazy:

[Wickerman]

6. oh, one of those,"I want to have all the benefits of a benevolent

society while I only pay for the things I think I might use someday?" guys. Oh, and I want to smoke dope, too, while I support candidates with some of the most bigoted and conservative positions imaginable.

[Inland]

7. A libertarian is a conservative who

has the intention of disobeying all the social laws put on other people.

A libertarian is a guy who votes for anti abortion candidates and buys his daughter a ticket to New York when she gets pregnant, as an example. A guy who cokes up half his life and then sends first time users to twenty year prison terms, for another.

[Union Thug]

9. Libertarian: Republican that likes to get high. n/t

[Liberal OIF Vet]

10. Liberterian....

I am hearing this from more than one of the Marines I am stationed with. They were all about the president in the past, but now you can barely get them to admit they are republicans.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

11. Other new conservative meme: "I'm really more of a straight fascist."

[Patiod]

16. ***coffee alert***

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[rman]

12. libertarian - originally rather leftist, the term hijacked by the RW,

now typically stands for favoring a government so small that it does no longer exist, leaving everything political, everything related to society, to unregulated market forces...

Be aware though that original libertarians still do exist, such as Noam Chomsky who identifies himself as a socialist-libertarian and as an anarcho-syndicalist.

[ghostsofgiants]

29. Libertarianism is more of a harkening back to classical liberalism...

With a strong emphasis on negative liberty (that is, the freedom from the authority of others), individualism and pursuit of one's own interests.

Libertarian socialism on the other hand, while it shares libertarianism's desire to reduce government, it's more of a collectivist ideology and prommotes positive liberty: the opportunity to achieve one's goals. Libertarianism is firmly in support of free market caitalism, while libertarian socialism views capitalism as just as much an unwanted coercive force as the state, and seeks to have wealth distributed evenly much the same as socialism, because, as a result of its emphasis on positive liberty, it views equality as a necessary component of freedom.

So it's not just that there are "original libertarians" and a new crop of libertarians trying to bastardize the concept, there are just certain (very different) ideologies that happen to both use the term "libertarian" as a result of the fact that they both eschew coercive forms of rule.

[seabeyond]

13. yes yes yes i heard that 6 months ago from rw fox listenin bro n/t

[mod mom]

14. Libertarians will be on the ballot in Ohio in the Governors race.

Perhaps this will take Republican votes from Blackwell. Ohioans will have 4 choices: Dem, Rep, Green and Libertarian.

Here is a site for what they really stand for: (I honestly didn't know until recently)

http://www.lp.org/article_85.shtml

[The Backlash Cometh]

15. Finally. They're speaking the truth.

NOW do you see why I started a pre-emptive attack on Libertarians five years ago? The ugly side of Libertarianism and Conservatism are one and the same. Hopefully the people on DU already know this and will be ready for the next stage in this fight.

Be sure to tell your rabid Republican that the press considers Cheney an old style Western Libertarian. THAT's why we're in this spiraling hole.

[TahitiNut]

19. Any claim by "neo-libs" to the label "libertarian" is a fraud.

What these people support would probably make Hayek and libertarians of the past vomit. Most significantly appalling is the vast array of entitlements afforded corporate entities. A true libertarian would probably abolish the corporation as we know it. Corporate welfare is toxic.

[The Backlash Cometh]

22. I don't disagree with you, but it is what it is.

We have to deal with the monster today and nobody has really gone out of their way to make Libertarians, or libertarians, purists. Whatever it is, we have to fight them with the same weapons and it's up to them to explain how they're different than the rest.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

17. let's all send money to libertarian candidates in close races!

[Atman]

18. The "Libertarian" label is a Republican cop-out

I have a Republican buddy who proudly admitted to voting for Bush in 2004. The guy is very well off, no kids, and loved his tax cuts. He made his announcement at a party full of dems, just to watch us squirm. Started a very tense verbal sparring before we got things back under control.

Now he swears he's a Libertarian and always has been, doesn't remember making that announcement at the part, swears he didn't vote for Bush in 2004 (although he still admits voting for him in 2000).

"Libertarian" is just another word for "too embarrassed to admit I voted for Bush."

[Ganja Ninja]

21. Translation:

"I'd rather not admit I was wrong and I'm still voting GOP."

[zbdent]

23. Were any of these people the rabid "You're a F*CKING COMMIE

if you don't support Bush!" types?

[Patiod]

25. Nah - it's the dark blue city of Philadelphia - they know better

If they accused me of being a commie, they would have to accuse the boss and all of our co-workers!!

I'm enjoying this...

[redqueen]

24. All the time...

strange how these 'libertarians' I encounter go to such great lengths to defend the preznit and his GOPrano buddies, though...

:rofl:

[Ksec]

26. or how bout; "I was just kidding about being republican"

Now that they have been exposed they are like rats jumping from the burning ship.

[BlooInBloo]

27. = "I vote republican, but don't want it publically known"

It's no different than "states' rights" being used to give plausible deniability to being racist.

[Momgonepostal]

28. I've heard this a lot

Bush is such an incompetent president, a lot of RWers seem to be trying to distance themselves.

An interesting thing about all these nouveau Libertarians. They claim to be Libertarian, but when it gets down to it they are largely still anti-choice, anti-gay marriage/civil union, pro-war/strong military. They can call themselves whatever they want, but if it waddles, quacks, and looks like a duck...

I call these people just really cheap republicans.