Is GWB implementing the "New World Order" that his father spoke of?

[Syrinx]

And does the "New World Order" mean a global, corporatist dictatorship?

Does the broader GOP support such a plan?

Are the corporate Democrats players in it too?

Sorry to get all tinfoily, but things are bad right now. And the wee hours of the morning tend to bring out my inner conspiracist.

(I seem to recall that Bush 41 first used the term "New World Order" on September 11. I think the year was 1990, but I'm not sure about that.)

[sandnsea]

1. Uh, the Bush Doctrine?

Yes. That's what Iraq was all about, step one.

Some Dems are players, I'd bet money on Lieberman and Biden, maybe Hillary. Some Dems, like Bill Clinton, I don't think believe the corporatist dictatorship part and think we'll somehow manage to keep our democracy while becoming "inter-dependent". That patriotic boy from Arkansas might just be getting in the way of his ability to believe how ruthless the uppercrust really is. One look at what happened in the Marianas ought to open anybody's eyes.

Others, Gore, Feingold, Kerry, Edwards, no way. They're our only hope. I wish they'd create a team and flat out confront it, all of them, together. I'm not sure we can fight this any other way.

And it's damned scary and not tinfoily at all. At least not in my opinion.

[Syrinx]

2. thanks for your input

We like some of the same people. I just commented on another thread that I'd like to see a Gore/Feingold ticket. That would be great.

And I've gotten some flack on here for criticizing Hillary Clinton. I just think she's more ambitious than principled... even for a politician. Bill was far from perfect (see NAFTA, etc.), but I think Hillary has all his negatives (except for the sex stuff), without offering any of his positives.

I'm truly scared for our country, and for our world. Perhaps a hero will emerge in the nick of time.

[sandnsea]

3. I think we need a whole team

One person isn't going to be able to pull us back from the brink. There's too many things going wrong all at once, seems to me.

[Syrinx]

4. you're right

One day Kerry will say a good thing. The next day Edwards will say a good thing, and Kerry will say something stupid and counterproductive. The following day Kerry will issue a "correction," that only makes his original comment seem worse, and Edwards will... you get the point.

These people, I think they mean well, but they have got to get coordinated. The Repugs run like one well-oiled, albeit very evil, machine. The good guys are all over the place. While that's the normal human condition, it's not a very efficient method for advancing an agenda, political or otherwise.

[sandnsea]

5. Yeah, I get the point

Unfortunately, you don't. But whatever. Nite.

[Syrinx]

11. I get the point

It's not unpatriotic to criticize your fellow Democrats when they deserve it.

Democrats need to grow a spine and stand up straight.

Democrats need to yell to the mountaintops that Bush is evil, and stop apologizing for being right.

This "hear no evil, speak no evil" bullshit is getting old. And that's why Democrats are a minority party.

If you refuse to call the Dems on their complicity, that's not only the Democrats problem, it's America's problem.

I'm standing straight, as I yell now "Democrats! Quit being the enablers! Stand on principle!"

What's so fucking hard to understand?

This isn't Alabama versus Auburn. This isn't USC versus UCLA. This is about the survival of our way of life! If that means I must try to kick some sense into the heads of some professional politicians (even if they are Democrats), then so be it.

Survival of American ideals is more important that political partisanship. And to anyone who disagrees, I say go to a fucking football game and cheer your guts out! I hear Gitmo still has a few accommodations left.

[Bad Penny]

6. who despises the wisdom of FDR more than the Bush family?

[TexasProgresive]

7. From the Great Seal of the USA-

Movus Ordo Secularum - New order of the ages or as I prefer to translate, New world order. The seal was adopted in 1782.

[KittyWampus]

10. New World Oder has an esoteric meaning which Bush & Fascists are

ignorant of.

Paul Foster Case wrote a book explaining the meainings of the symbols if anyone really wants to know.

[Lerkfish]

8. do a search for "Project for a new american century" all your answers will

be there in their mission statement. Pay attention to the signees.

ok. I looked it up for you:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

excerpt:

June 3, 1997

American foreign and defense policy is adrift. Conservatives have criticized the incoherent policies of the Clinton Administration. They have also resisted isolationist impulses from within their own ranks. But conservatives have not confidently advanced a strategic vision of America's role in the world. They have not set forth guiding principles for American foreign policy. They have allowed differences over tactics to obscure potential agreement on strategic objectives. And they have not fought for a defense budget that would maintain American security and advance American interests in the new century.

We aim to change this. We aim to make the case and rally support for American global leadership.

signees:

Elliott Abrams Gary Bauer William J. Bennett Jeb Bush

Dick Cheney Eliot A. Cohen Midge Decter Paula Dobriansky Steve Forbes

Aaron Friedberg Francis Fukuyama Frank Gaffney Fred C. Ikle

Donald Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad I. Lewis Libby Norman Podhoretz

Dan Quayle Peter W. Rodman Stephen P. Rosen Henry S. Rowen

Donald Rumsfeld Vin Weber George Weigel Paul Wolfowitz

[paparush]

9. Bush** Has Implemented a New World Odor