My dad (Republican voter since 1968) just told me:

[StellaBlue]

"Yeah, I saw it. It was really funny. In fact, I think I might vote for Al Gore if he runs this time... I think the guy deserves a chance, you know... see what he can do. He's has his wilderness time now, like Nixon, and I think he can make a comeback."

:o

:bounce:

[tsuki]

1. Ask him what he thinks of a Gore/Clark ticket. I am getting good

feed back down here.

[Warpy]

3. It could work

but only if Gore remains his own man and keeps sounding the way he has since late in 2001. If he takes those DLC handlers back and gets neutered again, he'll lose.

I sincerely hope he learned his lesson.

Besides, I've got my heart set on Kerry as AG.

[StellaBlue]

4. My dad doesn't trust Clark quite.

Thinks he has some ulterior anti-Clinton motives and wasn't running for the right reasons. Which maybe he does. Maybe that's what he and Al could have in common. They could be the anti-DLC. ? The anti-Hillary.

[alfredo]

7. I don't think Clark is Anti Hillary any more than he

would be against any rival for the nomination. Sure she's the person to beat so that is who they all are gunning for.

[tsuki]

8. I guess that because I am in the South, that I see Southerns like

the military part of Clark. They think he's a fine man. And Gore, they now realize that the 2000 election was stolen from him, and that he didn't back down (the whining thing is gone) until the Supremes did their activist judge thing.

It could be a ticket that would sweep the south.

[NewJeffCT]

2. I keep bringing up the coincidences...

Nixon was VP to a popular 2 term moderate in Eisenhower. Nixon lost a razor thin election and fraud likely tipped the balance against him. Nixon sat out the next election and then ran against the backdrop of an unpopular war.

Gore was also VP to a popular 2 term moderate in Clinton. Gore lost a razor thin election and fraud likely tipped the balance against him. Gore sat out the next election...

[bobbieinok]

6. don't buy RW propaganda.....fraud in 1960 election

This usually means 'democrats stole the Chicago vote'. From what I've read/heard the republicans agreed not to challenge the Chicago vote if the democrats agreed not to challenge the southern IL vote.

[Jim Lane]

13. I agree, JFK actually won in 1960.

The other thing deterring the Republicans from challenging the Chicago vote was their hanky-panky in California, especially with the absentee ballots that finally gave the state to Nixon (in the official count, anyway). A thorough examination of the California vote might well have given the state to JFK and also reversed some Republican "victories" elsewhere on the ticket.

[JNelson6563]

10. Yes indeed.

And Gore is so much better than Nixon EVER was. If Nixon could win in that situation, Gore surely can.

:toast:

Julie

[IndyOp]

5. WOOT!!

What a WONDERFUL comment from a Republican voter since 1968. My parents voted Repub most of their adult lives (Nixon onward). I think they would've had it with Dimson by now, too.

For more Gore video go here:
<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1187870&mesg_id=1187870>

:hi:

[StellaBlue]

9. Yep.

My dad is more politically informed that most. He's not a freeper, or a fundie. But he doesn't like East Coast Liberals.

The whole Nixon comparison is just so right-on. Only Gore is obviously far superior to Tricky Dick.

And, yeah, I think this might be the ticket to get some of the white Southern Democratic vote back.

[IndyOp]

11. One point about East Coast Liberals - that you might mention to

your Dad in future, if it comes up.

The Republicans accusing Democrats of being "East Coast Liberals" or "Elite" has been done systematically for decades to that the public won't realize that it is truly the Republicans who are the "East Coast Elite."

The strategy is this: I accuse you of having the bad traits I have so that if you try to turn around and point them out in me, you seem weak. I say "SB is an egotist" and you reply "Indy is really the egotist!" The label sticks to you and you seem childish trying to point it out in me.

Other examples: Repubs accuse Dems of corruption, Repubs accuse Dems of not caring about elderly, not caring about minorities, schools...

It works. It has been working for decades.

The Republicans are East Coast Elites in the style of Daddy Warbucks.

[StellaBlue]

12. Yeah, he gets that

He resents the oligarchy as much as the average person, but doesn't conceive of it in the same, clear way that most of us here on DU would.

His problem is with the academic/intellectual East Coast Liberals. Typical Southerner in that regard. He has no interest in music, film, liteature, art, etc., for instance.

[StellaBlue]

15. Edited to add:

I don't mean to imnply that Southerners aren't intellectual. But, let's face it, most Southerners and most Americans in general are not too fond of the 'intelligentsia'.

That's what I meant. They resent Harvard-know-it-all-professors. Even though they coudln't name a single one.

[progressivebydesign]

14. Your Dad forgets that the Bush family are not Texans..

they are East Coast multi-millionaires. Silver spoon in mouth (and nose).

[Pirate Smile]

16. My Dad, who voted for Bush in 2000 (but didn't vote for pres in 2004)

said he could vote for Gore.

He calls himself an Independent but he hasn't voted for a Dem Pres Candidate since LBJ. He votes for Dennis Moore and has voted for some lower Dem office holders but it has been a long time since he voted for a Dem for Pres.

He wouldn't vote for Kerry because of the anti-war stuff (I know, I know but he just couldn't get past that :eyes: )

[StellaBlue]

17. Sounds similar to my dad...

He's open-minded as far as crossing party lines, but he's always voted Republican in presidential elections. 68 was his first time to vote. He did vote for Clinton in the pimrary in 1998. I went with him - I was few months shy of 18 and upset that I couldn't vote for Big Dog, and when he checked the box, he looked over at me and said, "First and last time you'll see my voting for Clinton", with a sparkle in his eye. haha

He also doesn't like any group being too entrenched in power, because it leads to a lack of creativity and to even worse-than-usual corruption, cronyism, etc.

I would be over the moon if he in fact voted for Gore in 2008.

Hell, I'll be over the moon if *I* get to vote for Gore in 2008!!!!!!!!! And this time my vote in Texas will count, too!

[Pirate Smile]

18. That is funny about the primary. Did he think he was setting the Dems

up for a loss by trying to help Clinton get the nomination?

[StellaBlue]

19. No

We have to vote in the Dem primary in East Texas - 99% of local races are decided in it. So he decided to vote for Clinton instead of for the unlikely challengers that were running against him in the primary. He probably really thought Clinton was the best in the primary. But then he voted for Dole/Kemp in November.

[Pirate Smile]

21. OK, the best of the options. I get it.

[Autonomy]

23. "He did vote for Clinton in the pimrary in 1998."

I'm confused. Do you mean 1996? Clinton was the incumbent that year, so no respectable Democrat was running against him that year. I believe the only person running against him in the primary that year was the nutjob Lyndon LaRouche. IOW, Clinton was the only choice.

[StellaBlue]

26. Apologies

I meant 96.

Yeah... that's why it was funny. My dad wouldn't have voted for Clinton in the general election under any circumstances.

[bleever]

20. Wow! All the years combine,

indeed.

:bounce:

[Autonomy]

22. "Like Nixon."

Let's hope the similarities end there.

[MindMatter]

24. Oh, I don't know

History clearly shows that Nixon was the most ethical and most visionary of the Republican Presidents in the past 40 years.

Yes, of course he was a crook that couldn't be trusted. But he was still a giant compared to Reagan and the two Bushes.

I mean these Bushes took the Nixon level of corruption and increased it one-hundredfold. And unlike Nixon, they haven't done one damn thing to improve the future of America.

Nixon: the best Republican President in the last 46 years.

[Autonomy]

25. That's kinda like saying Hitler is the best murderous dictator

of the mid-20th Century because Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot murdered tens of millions more people. While true, I wouldn't use the word "best", or phrase it to read like a defense of Hitler.