"Karl Rove Is Innocent Of All Charges And I Pardon Him."

[emanymton]

is the subject of Monday's speech by shrub.

Any bets?





Bush Lied. People Died. Media Cheered.

[Kutjara]

1. Yep, either that or...

..."Karl Rove? Never heard of him."

[Renew Deal]

7. lol

That's more likely. Karl Rove? He may have been here for a Briss or two.

[CrownPrinceBandar]

2. He shouldnt need a pardon if he's innocent.......

which I doubt.

[emanymton]

14. Your Line Of Logic Is Not Valid In shrub's Denial Land.

[Jack Rabbit]

3. No so fast

He'll get around to it, but not even His Imperial Incompetency is that arrogant.

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

10. Actually, yes he is that arrogant.

He hears the Voice of God, after all.

[emanymton]

11. Oh Yes He Is!

[SammyWinstonJack]

12. He is that ARROGANT!

[bdamomma]

17. and he will totally ignore the whole rove thing by talking

about illegal immigration.

[emulatorloo]

4. If Bush pardons Rove, it will be all hush hush -- no big national speech.

They would not want to call attention to it -- because ALL HELL would break loose.

[Jack Rabbit]

15. Exaactly. Thank you

To those who think he would be that arrogant in response to my post. He wouldn't get away with it.

[emanymton]

18. shrub Has No Reason To Think Otherwise. Media Cheers All

criminal acts of this administration.

[emanymton]

16. And Then shrub Will Give Him A Medal On Boob Tube

[tsuki]

21. Don't you have to have a guilty verdict to be pardoned? This

pardon thing is so confusing to me. Like the sealed indictment thing. Why would you seal an indictment? How long can it be sealed? And would you be told that you were under a sealed indictment?

I can't believe they are hoping for a deal, with Karl Rove.

[jmowreader]

33. Nixon was never convicted of anything

Nixon bailed, Jerry Ford pardoned him.

You can pardon someone for "acts legal or illegal he may or may not have committed." If Shrub pardons Rove, that's how they'll format it.

If he does that, I recommend to Shrub that he get in front of a camera, tape his resignation speech in the middle of the night and drop the reel off at the DC Faux affiliate while he's fleeing town.

[tsuki]

37. Duh...My bad. Thanks, I forgot about the Ford pardon. nt

[johnnie]

5. I hope so

Only for the fact that many more people will know what the hell is going on. It might get more people understanding that this administration is a bunch of criminals and maybe they will respond.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

6. I don't think so

He will wash his hands of him.

[bdamomma]

13. and bush will say something like we have to get to work on

getting results for the American People, or whatever bush says which shows how delusional he is.

[Gabi Hayes]

8. can they stall THROUGH the 08 election?

they'll have to

poppy waited til Xmas 92 to pardon the six scum

[WritingIsMyReligion]

9. No, it will be: "Karl Rove? I never knew the man."

:eyes:

:P

[Proud_Democratt]

19. Bush cannot pardon Rove...until a conviction...and Bush

would have to remain as President.

[emanymton]

20. Pardons Are Absolute. No Over-rides. Bush 1 Pardon SecDef

[Proud_Democratt]

23. My bad...

[Nickster]

30. See Caspar Weinberger. Pardons can come at any time. n/t

[Proud_Democratt]

39. Here's proof of the pudding.....AFTER conviction.

Under the Constitution, only federal criminal convictions, such as those obtained in the United States District Courts, may be pardoned by the President. In addition, the President's pardon power extends to convictions obtained in the Superior Court of the District of Columbia and military court-martial proceedings.

http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/pardon_instructions.htm

[Nickster]

44. Caspar Weinberger was never convicted yet he received a Presidential

pardon from Pappy. I'm no lawyer, but that pardon came well before any conviction.

[kestrel91316]

36. Bush can pardon anyone he wants to, any time he wants to. There

need not be an indictment, a trial, or a conviction. Nixon was pardoned by Ford with none of the above. And I think Reagan pardoned all the Iran-Contra felons before any major proceedings.

[Proud_Democratt]

40. I have different info.

2. Federal convictions only

Under the Constitution, only federal criminal convictions, such as those obtained in the United States District Courts, may be pardoned by the President. In addition, the President's pardon power extends to convictions obtained in the Superior Court of the District of Columbia and military court-martial proceedings. However, the President cannot pardon a state criminal offense. Accordingly, if you are seeking clemency for a state criminal conviction, you should not complete and submit this petition. Instead, you should contact the Governor or other appropriate authorities of the state where you reside or where the conviction occurred (such as the state board of pardons and paroles) to determine whether any relief is available to you under state law. If you have a federal conviction, information about the conviction may be obtained from the clerk of the federal court where you were convicted.



http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/pardon_instructions.htm

[Proud_Democratt]

41. You have to have been found GUILTY, in order to be pardoned.

2. Federal convictions only

Under the Constitution, only federal criminal convictions, such as those obtained in the United States District Courts, may be pardoned by the President. In addition, the President's pardon power extends to convictions obtained in the Superior Court of the District of Columbia and military court-martial proceedings. However, the President cannot pardon a state criminal offense. Accordingly, if you are seeking clemency for a state criminal conviction, you should not complete and submit this petition. Instead, you should contact the Governor or other appropriate authorities of the state where you reside or where the conviction occurred (such as the state board of pardons and paroles) to determine whether any relief is available to you under state law. If you have a federal conviction, information about the conviction may be obtained from the clerk of the federal court where you were convicted.




http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/pardon_instructions.htm

[Justice Is Comin]

22. Pardon this.

[Poll_Blind]

25. That reminds me of Kissinger..lol.... n/t

PB

[heartofthesiskiyou]

29. No... I remember this and it wasn't HK

it was Dick Cheney at an undisclosed location watching the Colbert skit at the WH press club. It was never used though because the photgrapher actually missed the shot as Dick was in a long yawn and just as he snapped the picture DC finished his yawn.

[deadparrot]

24. Nope.

Not before the election, at least.

[Roland99]

26. Pre-emptive pardoning. Just like KY Gov. Fletcher did last year

[BrotherBuzz]

27. House and Senate would flip if there was a pardon before midterms

Bank on it, Rove will just have to roll with the punches until after the midterm elections. :rofl:

[emanymton]

28. Talk You About The Rubber Stamps In D.C.? Who Cares?

[BrotherBuzz]

35. Some Dems might retire their rubber stamps...

If their party regained the power to conduct investigations and uncover the truth. Some won't. :shrug:

[Critters2]

31. My guess is that he'll forget he ever knew good ol' Karl!

He's just that loyal

[opihimoimoi]

32. OMG, the PARDON CARD???? "You owe ME too much George,

You gatta do it now....or I squeal like the Pig I am....."

[APPLE314]

34. CAN HE PARDON ROVE FOR TREASON?

[BlooInBloo]

38. Unless I'm mistaken, the pardon power of the POTUS isn't limited....

... in any way...

[Proud_Democratt]

42. Here's the Dept. of Justice web

http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/pardon_instructions.htm

4. Reason for seeking pardon

In answering question 20, you should state the specific purpose for which you are seeking pardon and, if applicable, attach any relevant documentary evidence that indicates how a pardon will help you accomplish that purpose (such as citations to applicable provisions of state constitutions, statutes, or regulations, or copies of letters from appropriate officials of administrative agencies, professional associations, licensing authorities, etc.). In addition, you should bear in mind that a presidential pardon is ordinarily a sign of forgiveness and is granted in recognition of the applicant's acceptance of responsibility for the crime and established good conduct for a significant period of time AFTER conviction or release from confinement. A pardon is not a sign of vindication and does not connote or establish innocence. For that reason, when considering the merits of a pardon petition, pardon officials take into account the petitioner's acceptance of responsibility, remorse, and atonement for the offense.

[jmowreader]

43. Okay, guys, quit reading the DoJ's Pardon Manual

It's not applicable here.

You would use the Pardon Manual if you were a person seeking a pardon from the president. Far-fetched example...you were busted at the age of 15 for taking a marijuana cigarette from your home in Kansas City, Kansas, to your friend's home two miles away in Kansas City, Missouri. Now you're 40 and you've developed a Product That Will Benefit Mankind but you can't get the ingredients with a federal drug conviction on your record. Taking one joint two miles before you're even old enough to drive shouldn't fuck up your whole life, so you apply for a pardon.

The president can initiate pardons on anyone he damn well feels like for any reason he wants to use.