ROVE INFORMS WHITE HOUSE HE WILL BE INDICTED - Thread 2

[Catherine Vincent]

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/051206Y.shtml

Rove Informs White House He Will Be Indicted
By Jason Leopold
t r u t h o u t | Report

Friday 12 May 2006

Within the last week, Karl Rove told President Bush and Chief of Staff Joshua Bolten, as well as a few other high level administration officials, that he will be indicted in the CIA leak case and will immediately resign his White House job when the special counsel publicly announces the charges against him, according to sources.

Details of Rove's discussions with the president and Bolten have spread through the corridors of the White House where low-level staffers and senior officials were trying to determine how the indictment would impact an administration that has been mired in a number of high-profile political scandals for nearly a year, said a half-dozen White House aides and two senior officials who work at the Republican National Committee.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, sources confirmed Rove's indictment is imminent. These individuals requested anonymity saying they were not authorized to speak publicly about Rove's situation. A spokesman in the White House press office said they would not comment on "wildly speculative rumors."

Rove's attorney, Robert Luskin, did not return a call for comment Friday.



Thread 1 here--->http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1172571&mesg_id=1172571

Pitt's thread has over 350 messages and I just thought I'd help out the DUers on dial up. :D

[Viva_La_Revolution]

1. thank you cat_girl25 !

for being a good neighbor. :)

[Catherine Vincent]

12. No problemo!

:loveya:

[usregimechange]

2. God Bless, I was the first to nominate the Rove 2 thread!

:bounce:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

3. No You Weren't, I Was.

Prove the first one was yours. :rofl:

Just kidding :) But this is a great thread topic to recommend ain't it? It's a real feel good one.

:toast:

[usregimechange]

7. It was sexual for me.

[Harper_is_Bush]

4. Posing the same point again re: "said a half-dozen W.House aides"

How many WH aides ARE there?

If this turns out to be true I imagine some WH aides will be swept out the door.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

5. It Will Be True.

And I think there are a ton of WH aides.

[Harper_is_Bush]

8. A ton of WH aides who would have been privy to this?

We'll see I guess.

It seems bizarre to me that they specify there were a half dozen of them.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

10. There's Nothing Bizarre About That At All.

And with as exciting of a story as this is, why would you be fixated on such a petty part of the article? Now that seems bizarre to me LOL

[Harper_is_Bush]

16. You think the sources are just a "petty part" of the article?

And you wonder why "with as exciting of a story as this is" I would be questioning ("be fixated" you call it) aspects of the story.

I'm not going to throw out critical thought just because a story is exciting.

Still seem bizarre to you? ::)

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

18. Yes, It Does.

I find no reason to question the sources, especially considering the source of the article itself (which is EXTREMELY accurate and trustworthy). Sounds to me like you just have gripes with the source of the story itself and are just being cynical for vindictive reasons. I have no idea if that's true or not, but it just comes off that way to me, sorry.

I trust in this story 100% and find no flaw in it. Will Pitt and Jason Leopold are two of the most trustworthy people on this entire site in my opinion.

[Harper_is_Bush]

21. Why do you find no reason to question the sources?

That is an odd way to approach new information.

You're "excited" over the story, and assuch my critical questioning seems "vindictive" to you. Rest assured, I have no "gripes" with truthout or Mr. Leopold. Nor am I being cynical.

Seeing it announced that 6 WH aides acted as the source for this story seems very odd to me.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

25. If you have better sources, link 'em.

[Harper_is_Bush]

26. hardly the point.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

28. That's my point. What's yours?

[Harper_is_Bush]

36. If you have five dollars, send it to me.

A point equal in stature to your own!

[Maddy McCall]

51. LOL.

:thumbsup:

Never question the sources' credibility. Sources mean nothing, and asking questions means that you are petty, have personal issues, or are vindictive.

:eyes:

I've heard it all, myself.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

55. Yes, and I've seen tactics like yours used repeatedly on DU....

...to denigrate the reporting done by those who work very hard to gather facts and present them to the public.

This isn't about telling people they can't ask questions...it's about protecting those posters/reporters who come forward with factual information and find themselves questioned and/or ridiculed by people who may have another agenda for being on this board.

[Harper_is_Bush]

57. Please check yourself

I've questioned something in the article...namely the 6 WH aides quoted as a source. I find that odd, and therefore I question it.
You characterize that as "denigrating" the reporting and say you need to "protect" Leopold from me because I'm "questioning and/or ridiculing" him because I "may have another agenda for being on this board"

That is a rotton little attempt at intimidation.

Jason Leopold is nothing to me. If he wants to work hard, that's fantastic. If he wants to break a story, I'm sure he's ready to be questioned on it before it's made official and I'm equally sure my questions are not going to offend him. He doesn't require you to "protect" him with your half-baked accusations.

[bridgit]

6. oh lord, the kudzu thread in the lounge is some 800+, but that's a nice...

thought :hi: :thumbsup:

[Lisa0825]

9. This is me:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

11. Perfect Picture To Display The Sentiment.

Well done!

(I love snoopy)

[wellst0nev0ter]

29. This Is Me Too

Happy Dance

[lonestarnot]

13. WOOFUCK'NDAMNWHOO! BITCH! RED ROVER! I'M GONA LIVE TO SEE

THE DAY!

[peacetalksforall]

14. They will need to clone Baker and Olson to protect 'em all. Law suits

piling in. Indictments. Rendition flight investigations by EU are hot. Possible indefensible NSA stretch of law. Indefensible dictatorship. Fed Society going down for all their assistance in advising Gonzales. Cheney nodding. Rove pleasant to co-workers? George's eyes darting everywhere.

Does Rove still get to work at the RNC?

[upi402]

15. I will piss on their graves, I swear it

May their heirs live in shame and poverty.

[Kittycat]

17. Why would he wait to resign?

If I knew I was going to be indicted, I would resign immediately, so that when the news came out - it wouldn't be like I left because of that.

[Catherine Vincent]

19. Well with the job responsibilities change, he basically already did.

Imo.

[slybacon9]

Republicans: TAKE OUT YOUR OWN TRASH

now! While you can! YOU should be impeaching. Scum....

[Justice Is Comin]

20. 5 performances

before the grand jury and you think you are gonna keep your lies straight?

HA HA HA HA HAHAH HA AH AAHH HAHHH AHH HA HAH HA.



And Fitz is the prosecutor you think you're going to lie to?


H A H AH HA HA HHAH HHAH HAH ha ha ha hhaha HA HA HAHAHA HA HA HAH AHHA HA HA. snort.

[upi402]

22. snarf indeed

:bounce:

[IndyOp]

52. Or, as the voting machines said:

81 81 81 81 81818 81 18 1188 81888 188 81 818 81

HA HA HA HA HAHAH HA AH AAHH HAHHH AHH HA HAH HA

[Catherine Vincent]

23. One question before bed...

"If an indictment is returned by the grand jury, it will be filed under seal. "

Why would it be sealed? Is that the deal Rove's lawyers are negotiating? And where has H2O Man been? I haven't seen his posts regarding this latest revelation.

[Justice Is Comin]

24. I'm still not so sure

that wasn't what was in that envelope clipped to the Libby papers. Maybe at that point, an unindicted co-conspirator.

It didn't have nothing to do with Libby that's for sure. And he would have had to have a signed record of that jury's consent.

[H2O Man]

34. Incorrect.

The court papers made public in the Libby pre-trial hearings have absolutely put to rest any belief that there was anything but Libby's indictments filed last October. The envelope that people saw was, in fact, entirely about Libby.

[Justice Is Comin]

47. That doesn't make sense.

What reason would there be for a sealed envelope--or at least paperwork in an envelope, attached to the standard indictment paperwork of a target?

This was commented on by all the experts I saw as I was watching the CNN coverage. They had all themselves done extensive federal indictments and none of them had ever seen the need to have a separate mystery envelope. They were mystified by it.

Take this in combination with the fact that this indictment was under pressure time wise to be completed as this grand jury's tenure by statute had to expire. Things this jury had consented to and approved for Fitzgerald would have had to been signed by the required majority. And the judge would also have had to be involved and appraised.

Filings in the Libby case would not be dispositive of anything filed on record with the court outside of the Libby indictment. As a sealed motion or action, it would not be revealed until such time as it was made public by the prosecutor, and approved by the court.

My contention is that it was extraneous to the Libby indictment.

[H2O Man]

50. Your contention

notwithstanding, Mr. Fitzgerald has identified the mysterious sealed envelope in a pre-trial hearing.

[Justice Is Comin]

53. I would be interested in seeing that passage

and reading the explanation.

If in fact he specifically addressed that envelope and divulged the contents and why it was there, that would put to rest the speculation regarding the attached envelope.

[dweller]

27. Waterman's post from tonite

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1174786

The Valley of the Black Pig
by William Butler Yeats

The dews drop slowly and dreams gather: unknown spears
Suddenly hurtle before my dream-awakened eyes,
And then the clash of fallen horsemen and the cries
Of unknown perishing armies beat about my ears.
We who still labour by the crumlech on the shore
The grey caim on the hill, when day sinks drowned in dew,
Being weary of the world's empires, bow down to you
Master of the still stars and of the flaming door.



a bit more, make of it what you will.

personally, i want to squeal with delight.
dp

[H2O Man]

38. I had addressed this Thursday,

but will again provide an interesting bit of information. It comes from 10-26-05, when Chris Matthews was talking to Time magazine's Mike Allen:

MA: Well, Chris, there's a lot of dead horses being beaten here. But there is a lot of activity happening that we're not seeing. What a likely scenario for whathappened today is Patrick Fitzgerald got some indictments from this grand jury. He is now able to go ...

CM: Oh, you think they're sealed right now?

MA: It's very possible. What I'm told is typical in a case like this, he could get the indictments and now he can go to the targets and say, you can plead to these or I'll go back Friday and get more. You have 12-to-24 hours to think about it.

CM: I think you get a little Whitman's sampler of suggestions like you can plead to the process charge of obstruction or perjury. Or --

MA: Or I can add a bunch of counts. You can take a couple of counts, or we can add a bunch more.

I will add that people have some confused ideas about "sealed" indictments. The media is largely responsible for much of the confusion. Last October, people saw an envelope being carried to the judge's chambers when the Libby indictments were filed. People mistakenly believed that these were "sealed indictments," or something else like that. They weren't. I noted at the time that they were not. The court documents filed for pre-trial issues in the Libby case have confirmed that. The mysterious envelope was not mysterious at all; there is simply a lot of information in the case that is classified.

Regarding Mr. Rove: a process which has been on-going was put in a higher gear on Wednesday. Some have noted that the proceedings may involve more than Karl.

Things are very good right now.

[democrank]

30. Wonder if the treacherous little snake

will think it was all worth it when he`s sitting in the slammer?

[npincus]

31. when does the GJ meet next?

Monday?

[H2O Man]

33. Things are further ahead

than the media is reporting. Now, I often note that Chris Matthews does the best coverage of Plame on the corporate media. He had ads on Thursday afternoon through Friday morning, promising some Plame discussion on Friday night. And that didn't happen. Why not?

[HereSince1628]

37. Great question. Why not?

Matthew's behaviour on Thursday seemed to betray some stink circulating in the WH. Why did Matthews walk away from it?

[H2O Man]

39. It wasn't his choice.

Things are very tense in that neighborhood.

[HereSince1628]

42. Maybe.

[bklyncowgirl]

32. I gave a big "WoooooHoooo" when I heard it.

I'll wait for the official announcement to do handsprings.

I just hope that Jason Leopold isn't being Dan Rathered.

[HereSince1628]

35. It's been 12 hours. How's the story doing?

I see Drudge has the Truthout story posted, but so far as I can tell it seems other than him no one but liberal blogs have picked it up.

[Pab Sungenis]

40. Is it really here?

Is it time to officially start the Fitzo De Mayo parties?

[Dinger]

41. Nothing In The "News" Yet, Not Even Buzzflash

What's up?

[HereSince1628]

43. I think the problem is no one has anything independent

to confirm or deny any of Leopold's story.

[wishlist]

44. Apparently Fitz hasn't even met with GJ since Rove's April 26 appearance

Media reports do not indicate that Fitz has met with GJ again since Rove testified over two weeks ago under reportedly difficult questioning by the GJ. We cannot expect to hear any announcement of a press conference earlier than the day AFTER the next GJ meeting with Fitz which could be this week or later (assuming that Rove continues stonewalling and the GJ does not request more information to be provided before indicting.)

The reports of a hostile GJ and then silence from Rove's camp after changing tune from claiming he was not a target to Fitz not yet deciding his status are indicators that Rove & Co are signalling he expects indictment.

[HereSince1628]

48. Interesting, I thought they had met since the 26th of April.

[jazzjunkysue]

45. I've been googling every 8 hours for something, but so far, nada online.

It's not unlike DC to give the condemned man the weekend to get his family out of town: Take the wife to mother's house. Get the lawn mowed, prepare for a michael jackson reporter encampment.

Buying a little time is necessary with a story this huge. So many reporters need to get on a plane. So many news trucks are on the road right now. Tents must be rented. Power/phone/internet lines installed.

If I lived near the sob I'd rent my house out to the highest news bidder, I swear.

[Taxloss]

46. The news providers don't need that time to prepare.

If they're that confident, why the big hush?

[HereSince1628]

49. I don't think any other news source has the information Leopold

reported via Truthout.

To me it is nothing short of remarkable that one guy has 8 sources for the story (6 White House and 2 RNC) and no other news source has anything that let's them run with what would be the story of the year.

[GCP]

54. My thoughts exactly

I'm afraid Leopold has written plenty of stories re Fitzgerald in the past few months that didn't pan out. I'm not holding my breath on this one either. :(

[Media_Lies_Daily]

56. Which reports did Leopold write "that didn't pan out"? Links?

[jazzjunkysue]

58. They gave Rove 24 hours to put his affiars in order.....makes sense

The guy really does have to delegate his white house duties before his big moment in front of the cameras in his new orange jumpsuit. He is, after all, in the inner cabinet of the white house, so, lots of information and security codes, etc. have to be released and tended to.

This is not instant soup.