Does anyone agree with Jerry Springer that Hillary would be unbeatable?

[redqueen]

I don't know about you all, but it seems to me that she's *extremely* divisive, and would be a horrible candidate. He seemed to think that she'd fly through the primaries.

Am I that out of touch? I thought the polling backed my perception up... why would he say that?

[NC_Nurse]

1. I agree with you.

Maybe Jerry knows something I don't know. I know many people really HATE her, though I'm not sure why...

[xultar]

2. She's beatable because Democrats would take her down.

Who needs enemies when your friends and family will do?

[redqueen]

9. Can we not start that here please?

Do you think she'd have an easy time of the primaries?

[xultar]

23. Nope refer to my original reply.

[babylonsister]

3. Makes me wonder who Jerry listens to; isn't that a r/w talking point? nt

[papau]

4. Yes - at this point it looks like Hillary would be unbeatable - but there

is 2 years before we need look at that question - and the answer may well change.

She is indeed "extremely" divisive, but in the same way FDR was "extremely" divisive.

And at this point it looks like even being "extremely" divisive, she would win the general election.

[redqueen]

11. Thank you.

That's a good point... it's a long way off.

It's just that with the recent polling I'd read about... I was a little taken aback.

[Joe for Clark]

5. I don't have a big problem with Hillary exactly -

But america has never elected a woman president - we have no interest in making a first in history - we have an interest in winning.

She'd make a good choice for vice-president.

Joe

[leftyladyfrommo]

6. I don't think she would have a chance.

[bowens43]

7. No. I can't think of anyone Hillary could beat.

No one would get the republican base to the polls on election day.

[in_cog_ni_to]

8. Anyone who thinks the psycho-in-chief is charming and charismatic

can NEVER win the nomination. She needs the progressives to win. I will NOT be voting for her. Her primary opponents can just play that quote over and over and over and over. Hillary stuck her foot in her mouth. She's also letting RUPERT MURDOCH have a fundraiser. Know why? The REPUKES want Hillary as our candidate so they can DESTROY her during the General election. Springer's wrong.

[redqueen]

14. Most people seem to say that about him, it seems...

"In private, he's... " and then they go on to shower him with praise.

I tend to agree with you... they want her. And I believe the corporations who pay good money to get the laws they want passed might want her as well.

[lancdem]

10. Anyone we pick is going to be viciously attacked by the right

so divisiveness is not a disqualifier. Her husband was polarizing, and he won two terms. This is not an endorsement, just a point.

[Jacobin]

12. no

[FiveGoodMen]

13. She wouldn't stand a chance. AT ALL.

1. 15 years of smear-campaign stuff already rolled out against her and ready to go again (e.g. the '93 Health Care reform attempt) -- doesn't matter that the criticisms were unfair, those memes are in millions of people's heads.

2. Last name Clinton. That meme's in a lot of heads, too.

3. Acting more like a repuke every day -- which will not win over pukes, but will turn off liberals.

4. The Iraq war vote that she refuses to be sorry for.

5. She's a woman. That shouldn't matter, but in a country where the biggest single voting block (fundies) preach that women should be submissive, no woman is going to win the White House in '08. Let me repeat that: Although this shouldn't be the case, no woman is going to win the White House in 2008.

[redqueen]

15. Re: Last name Clinton.

Haven't we had enough dynasties?

:shrug:

[benburch]

16. Horrible Candidate. Horrible Democrat.

She does not represent me on most issues.

I would work as hard as possible to defeat her in the primaries.

And though I would vote for her in a General Election, it would be ONLY because she is less Republican than John Edward Bush, the likely opponent.

And she would have a hard time winning.

A very hard time.

And this would make the election once again close enough for the GOP Crime Syndicate to steal.

[Bucky]

36. I'm thinking they've given up on Jeb running.

I could be wrong, but I think they've cut their deals with McCain. The Republicans always nominate exactly who you expect them to.

[Rosemary2205]

17. Hillary doesn't have a prayer

The Democrats will put the smackdown on her before the primaries even begin. She's suited for Senate. That's it.

[skipos]

18. I think she is the MOST beatable candidate BY FAR. nt

[MadHound]

Hillary on the ticket would mean four more years of Republican rule

Her name is poison when trying to woo the right, her record is poison when trying to convince the left, and frankly the center won't hold. Her presidential run would result in a failure as spectacular as McGovern's.

[timber84]

19. As much as I'd love to see our next president be a woman

I can't say that I wish it was her.

[AllieB]

20. I'm with you

People either like her or hate her with a white-hot passion.

[redqueen]

22. I think you're dead on.

WTF was Jerry thinking?

I tried to call when I got to work, but he was only taking calls on certain topics. I'm not letting this drop with him.

[Ksec]

21. I think she will win

Despite the hatred coming her way from both sides, she commands a huge lead of people in the center. I like Hillary but imo she needs to stop pretending shes a hawk . We all know she would have never started a war in Iraq if she had been Pres. and this support is just her playing politics. Shes a political genuis. IMO she will be the next President of this country.

[Ksec]

24. BTW did you hear that the FOX owner was supporting her?

Or was that just a rumor?

[Bucky]

34. Not a rumor. But he'll fundraise for her and her opponents.

Obviously it's about him helping her create a 2008 nomination juggernaut. All the Republicans want her to be the one because they're sure they'll beat her. Sort of like the Democrats who wanted the GOP to nominate Reagan in 1980--the one Republican they were sure Carter could beat. These things can backfire, but then again Reagan never had negatives like Mrs Clinton (if only because there was never a full time smear campaign run against him).

[redqueen]

27. Well... if she does run and win the nomination.

I hope to GODDESS you're right about the center liking her so much.

I fear that this country wouldn't survive another keystone cops/GOPrano administration...

[debbierlus]

25. She is completely beatable

She has pissed off the most active component of the democratic base - US! And, where are support goes, the nomination may follow. We are the ones that raise funds for canidates. We are the ones that vote in primaries. We are the ones that can make or break a canidate.

I don't like Hilary

At ALL.

[WI_DEM]

26. No, she starts with a huge negative rating as it is

nobody with those kind of negatives can win

[redqueen]

29. There are wildly conflicting statements on this thread.

Why did he need to go there? He was commenting on Hardhead's segment about Jebbie not being able to beat Hillary... and used it as a segue to diatribe about how she'd win so handily...would be 'unbeatable' in the primaires.

I had the impression her nomination might just cause a schism within the party.

[Bucky]

35. It will schism us before the nomination. Dems are like that. Afterwords...

I'm certain after the nomination, unless it's Lieberman, we'll all be united. I think the vast majority of Democrats would be willing to support her for President if she's nominated. I just don't think she'll be nominated, no matter how hard Fox, Springer, George F Will, Joe Scarborough, Bill O'Reilley, or Tucker Carlson push for her.

I don't think she can win. But right now her negatives are running only about 40%--not to far away from the block that will vote against her anyway. That's damn high, but it may also be a "ceiling" of sorts. Part of her success in New York is her talent for being a lot less scary in person than the rightwing baiters have made her out to be.

[redqueen]

37. Thanks.

You're right... fear has pushed us to the point that we'd vote for a cardboard box rather than face more of the same for 6 years.

Fear is not my favorite motivator, though... alas.

[Bucky]

31. What do you think of the argument that her negatives can't go down?

I'm curious about what people think about the suggestion that people who disagree with Clinton are already against her. If she has no neutrals, then she can't fall further behind.

[Bucky]

28. Once she's nominated, I'll work my butt off for her. But we will lose.

Sorry, but the "Hillary is the front runner" talk always comes either from people who want the Democrats to lose or people who don't care if they lose. I doubt Springer is eating talking points from the right, but he's not exactly relevant to or well informed on the process. This is bandwagon chatter, making noises because other people are making the same noises.

[redqueen]

30. Yeah, he proved he wasn't well-informed...

when a caller later informed him about the Net-Neutrality battle... and he said something like "oh really? well maybe we should look into that."

:wow:

[Bucky]

32. Maybe, but it's a pretty wonky issue if you're not a cyber person

I'd be surprised if half as many people understand net neutrality as understand budget issues, trade deficit issues, or social security solvancy. I kinda understand it, but most people won't.

[Dunvegan]

33. Bottom Line: ALL Candidates Have to Go Through the Nominating Process

...FIRST.

Then, we'll have all the ideas and data out there.

Until they run, they're not running.

Until they're nominated, they're not running as the Democratic nominee for president.

Simple.

Let the best candidate win the nomination.

[El Fuego]

38. She's the repug's dream nominee

It's mostly the repug talking heads who are handicapping her chances in 08.