What Democratic Viewpoints Do You Disagree With?

[Jason9612]

For me:

-Anti- Gay Marriage

-Anti-Abortion

-Pro-Death Penalty



How about the rest of ya?

[Zynx]

1. Personally, but not politically, opposed to abortion.

Pro-Gun
Most of the party(at least he politicians) seems to be pro-death penalty and I am strongly opposed.

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[tyne]

17. immigration

I'm disappointed that more Dems aren't against ILLEGAL immigration. It seems logical that we need to strengthen our borders before any talk of guest worker programs or legalization can take place. Additionally, it's discouraging to see Dems pull a "Rove" and frame the argument as though those who are for what I suggested are simply against immigrants or immigration. I thought we were better than that.

I'm also disappointed that more Dems aren't supporting Hillary. You gotta know that she is doing what she MUST do to get Repubs out of office and is taking advice from Bill(who knows what the hell he's talking about).

[Roland99]

29. .

Since when has Hillary represented the principles of the Democratic Party?

[KingFlorez]

34. What are you talking about?

No one is for illegal immigration

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[KingFlorez]

61. Wait a minute, Tyne Daly?!?

I loved your version of "Rose's Turn" when you did Gypsy!

[Raine]

73. Hillary

is the repug choice to run for president.:eyes:

[Roland99]

3. Are those your stances or are you saying those are Dem viewpoints?

I'm assuming your viewpoints.


Just a quick little question. You're FOR the death penalty but you're against abortion? You don't see the problem with that?

[Jason9612]

5. Those are my stances...

And they're all against Democratic viewpoints.

[Roland99]

11. Anti-abortion is a meme from the right. You realize that, right?

And, you didn't answer my question in the previous post.

[MadMaddie]

16. I think that we have a big tent mentality everyone is welcome...

Live and let live I say...after all it is America...everyone is entitled to their own opionion..

I have a couple of questions for you?
Do you think that a woman has the right to determine what happens to her body?

Does she have the right to have a pelvic exam or does she need big brother telling her what to do?

If the woman is raped and doesn't want to carry the egg...is it her right to make that decison? or does she carry it to full term and then let the state take care of it...

Are tax paying Gay Americans entitled to equal protection under the constitution?

Just curious...

[mondo joe]

38. Uh, Jason, who do you think decides what democratic viewpoints are?

Which democrats have come out for same sex marriage?

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[SunDrop23]

88. "...being pro-choice doesnt mean you like abortions."

The sooner we can weave that into the mainstream discussion, the better for us. Because the right has everyone convinced the opposite of "anti-abortion" is "pro-abortion" and you are in favor of killing the innocents...blah blah blah.

JMO

[doc03]

6. Democratic Viewpoints? There are Democrats on both

sides of all these issues.

[Oversea Visitor]

7. Who cares

Democrats to win BIG 2006. More important.

[madokie]

82. right on OV, they are all wedge issues

peace
:hi:

[jody]

8. Suggest you read the Democratic Party Platform at the link below before

you list Democratic Party positions.

See http://www.democrats.org/pdfs/2004platform.pdf

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[Jason9612]

10. Notice how I asked you guys to list if you disagreed with any Dem views...

...And this is already turning into a flamefest. Fine, I can defend myself if need be.

[seabeyond]

18. everything kerry was talking about i agreed with

did you agree with kerry? i dont htink there was one thing i didnt agree with him on, as i think about it.

to just say democrat, well hell..... so many variations there. there are democrats on this board i disagree with on things they propose.

[originalpckelly]

19. I don't want you to get flamed...

but do you understand why someone might think you're a little freepish?

[KingFlorez]

22. Well with the post you made, it's understandble people react this way

[Oversea Visitor]

23. No flame fest

Only looking at all those little stick
But DUer knows all stick very tight and nice bundles
Very hard to snap this big bundles of stick

:rofl: good luck to you

[pepperbear]

32. Nah, we're a lot more interested in seeing you defend your views.

[Roland99]

37. Something tells me that ain't gonna happen

[mondo joe]

35. Jason, who told you those are dem views?

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[AllieB]

51. That's sad,crizzo5137

There is a tendency to 'pile on' here, I agree. There have been some topics (the Duke rape threads, for example) that I have stopped posting on because of this phenomenon. Hang in there!

[seabeyond]

12. bully for you, arent you the odd man out. wow. and you still say you are

democrat. what do you agree with the democrat on? terribly curious.

[tuvor]

13. What do you hope to accomplish by asking?

Just wondering.

[AllieB]

14. Hi Jason9612

Welcome to DU. Can you elaborate on which Democratic principles you agree with? The three that you mention in tandem are more in line with right-wing positions, especially being anti-choice and pro-death. Please enlighten us. Thanks!

[AllieB]

15. Dupe

[KingFlorez]

20. What is the point of this?

[AllieB]

26. The point is it's an excuse to eat popcorn

:popcorn: :popcorn:

[Roland99]

27. Is that with extra butter or maybe even kettle corn?

:D

[AllieB]

43. Or even caramel corn

but the sugar may keep me awake this late at night.

[Roland99]

44. Guess we should settle for a rice cake

;)

[Mr_Spock]

65. Mmmmmmmmm, tasty flame broiled popcorn

:popcorn:

thanks!!

[Erika]

21. That Republicans should be allowed to live

if they voted for W.

[Idioteque]

24. For me...

I disagree with the majority of Democrats on free trade. It actually saddens me to see normally progressive, liberal, people take a reactionary, protectionsit, position on trade.

I do, however, agree that CAFTA was flawed.

I'm sorry folks are flaming you. Your opinions are valid and you certainly belong in the Democratic party.

[idlisambar]

69. both sides are reactionary

Trade is a very difficult issue. At least 95% of those on both sides of the issue don't have good justification for their views.

[fhqwhgads]

95. with you on free trade

i'm glad someone else said it before i did, about free trade. that's the one major area where i diverge from most du'ers as well.

as for flaming that jason guy, well, he brought it on himself. maybe if he didn't parrot rw talking points (e.g. "the bible is against homosexuality") he'd have more credibility.

Idioteque said:
<<I disagree with the majority of Democrats on free trade. It actually saddens me to see normally progressive, liberal, people take a reactionary, protectionsit, position on trade.

I do, however, agree that CAFTA was flawed.

I'm sorry folks are flaming you. Your opinions are valid and you certainly belong in the Democratic party.
>>

[Boojatta]

25. Are you opposed to a "day after" pill? e.o.m.

[Erika]

28. Or the RU- 86 pill? n/t

[GrumpyGreg]

33. Old grandma here. I wouldn't even ask a guy that question.

Sometimes they don't have a clue.

[Selatius]

30. Free trade with no protections for workers and the environment

That, above all, makes me the most angry as far as the Democratic Party goes.

I'm in favor of fair trade where workers are on a level playing field both here and in foreign countries. The best man is the man who can produce the highest quality product, not the cheapest product in a race to the bottom.

[MadMaddie]

42. I can agree with that....it seems that American workers have

been getting the short end of the stick for too long....

[ruggerson]

31. Uh Jason

the Democratic party does not favor gay marriage. The platform in 2004 affirms the rights of gays and lesbians to live in dignity, but does not endorse legal marriage. It does oppose the Federal marriage amendment to the constitution.

Most leading Democrats, Kerry, Gore, Hillary, Biden, Vilsack, Warner do not favor gay marriage and have explicitly said so.

One, just one, leading Democrat supports gay marriage unequivocally: Russ Feingold.

So, before you come here, why don't you get your facts straight?

So to speak.

[simonm]

36. pro gun

-Pro gun cause freedom is not free and I will not gamble the security of my family.

In other words, I'm a gun toting, meat eating liberal Democrat.

[Erika]

45. We have 5 armed weapons in the house

with ammo. W's taking away civil liberties and redoing our Constitution. We may need those weapons with the neocons.

[Selatius]

50. There's nothing wrong with being "pro-gun"

If you're competent with firearms and can safely live with them, then have all the guns you want.

The fact that you have GWB in office with the NSA spying and the wars and the attack on freedom is justification enough in my mind to own a firearm.

[MrBenchley]

76. Be proud to stand with David Duke and Grover Norquist

and all the rest of the puddle of pus that makes up the pro-gun movement.

"The fact that you have GWB in office with the NSA spying and the wars and the attack on freedom is justification enough in my mind to own a firearm."
Jeb Bush agrees. Run out and buy one today!

"The sound of our guns is the sound of freedom!"

http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/Speeches.aspx?ID=30

[Selatius]

77. Nice non sequitor, buddy

Just because a person owns a firearm doesn't automatically make him a nutjob like Duke or Norquist. Next time don't bother replying if all you do is throw up a smokescreen to cloud the issue.

[MrBenchley]

78. No, actual fact, chum...those ARE the RKBA movement

Now I suggest you go snivel about what a puddle of pus the movement is to somebody who gives a shit.

[Selatius]

90. Sorry, still has no bearing on what I said

Try again...

[MrBenchley]

96. Has every bit of bearing on your silly statement

and then some.

[Bridget Burke]

91. But there is something wrong with being "pro-slogan"

Especially when the slogan is "freedom isn't free."

[simonm]

94. Slogans are useful

Easy to understand and to the point.

[jody]

56. The Dem platform says "We will protect Americans' Second Amendment right

to own firearms, and we will keep guns out of the hands of criminals and terrorists by fighting gun crime, reauthorizing the assault weapons ban, and closing the gun show loophole, as President Bush proposed and failed to do." See http://www.democrats.org/pdfs/2004platform.pdf

[derby378]

63. In that case...

You might want to check out Amendment II Democrats:

http://www.a2dems.net

[Ravenseye]

39. I disagree with a few

I think inexspensive universal health care should be available to all. I think our system as we have it is criminal and it needs reform immediately. Health Insurance companies should be eliminated outright, and the entire system reformed from the ground up.

I think the minimum wage should be a living wage, not 7 dollars an hour. You trying 'living' on 7 dollars an hour.

I think lobbyists should be illegal. I think PAC's should be illegal. I think we should have public financing for elections. I think our system is so corrupt at the core we'll never make any real progress until these changes are made.

*** edited to add ***

Also they should legalize marijuana and legalize gay marriage.

[Oversea Visitor]

40. Ok me reply you

Me not sleeping in marraige bed. So it is none of my business.
Marriage between 2 person. All others are outsiders. PERIOD>

Me not person to decide wheather need abortion or not.
Only person who has to make the decision can decide based on pro and con which is unique to every individual. Much harm done when this all not taken into consideration. Freedom of choice must ne maintain. Again only person to make decision is person giving birth all others are outsider and need take nose out of people business PERIOD.

Death Penalty. You need to look at you Judges selected. They one who has to make tough decision on this. Even jury pick for duty has to make hard decision. Me think they make decision based on facts.
That I think we should trust. That I think we must safeguard to make sure that it is not abused.
So yes in a way I am ok with Death Penalty as long as system safeguard to ensure it is not abuse is there.

[mondo joe]

41. Anti-weekends, anti-freedom of religion, anti-balance of powers.

:eyes:

[Hippo_Tron]

47. Personally I'm against civil rights and pro segregation

Wish that the Democrats would come to their senses on those issues.

[Erika]

48. Oh, Jason, Where are you? n/t

[ruggerson]

49. Nascar I think

oh wait. Connecticut doesn't have Nascar.

Well, well, well.

[KingFlorez]

52. Mysteriously dissapeared

Odd indeed

[Roland99]

53. hmmm....he dislikes Kerry's Vietnam record and thinks he's a flip-flopper

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1150107&mesg_id=1150206


I think we have ourselves a troll.

[AllieB]

58. Oh dear

I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt too. He says he's a student at UCONN-maybe he came to DU to learn something? :shrug: Hopefully he's not a student at Neo-Con.

[me b zola]

54. To each his own, I guess

More than half of repubs are pro-choice (they just call it by a different name)

Pro death penalty cuts both ways across the parties, but more people are moving away from it (we are the most barbaric modern country in respect to the DP)

Unfortunately, most of the Democratic party has not had the moxy to state that they are in favor of gay marrage, so I would not consider that a part of our platform--although it should be. The only people that I have heard of who are worried about gay marrage to the point that it affects their political thought are, well, RWers.


Come to think about it, the three issues that you have mentioned are wedge issues that the rw has used to confuse voters and get their religious nutjobs to the polls. Most voters are concerned about the war in Iraq, the economy, and health care.

I often think that people who wish to exert their "moral" ideologies on the rest of us through government might enjoy living abroad, there are many countries who share such "values". Have you considered living in Saudi Arabia?

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[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

59. I Hate The Dem Viewpoint That You Have To Support The President 100% or

you are a traitor. It's such an ignorant and fascist viewpoint...

...wait, what's that you say? That's not a democratic viewpoint?

Ohhhhhhhhh shittttt, my bad! That's right, that's a republican viewpoint that I hate! Sheesh, looks like both of us got parties mixed up a bit tonight. :rofl:

[Mr_Spock]

64. I'm scratching my head on this one...

You seem to have gotten his joke. Or was it...?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

66. LOL You Seriously Didn't Get My Post?

It was basically hinting that maybe the OP got his affiliation mixed up tonight, and meant to post elsewhere.

[Mr_Spock]

68. Yes, I was trying to be coy

Seeing if we could induce a clarification by the O/P...

[BillZBubb]

60. Funny. The trolls are out tonight!

What Democratic Viewpoints do you agree with, Jason?

[beyurslf]

62. I thought you were going to defend your views. So, defend....

[alittlelark]

67. You're kinda like a Dem 'GOTH' you're a Dem, but you hate it ?

I'm really quite confused.

[idlisambar]

70. State Lotteries

The government shouldn't rely on gambling for revenue. Also, the lottery functions, in effect, as a regressive tax.

[OneBlueSky]

71. those social issues are just distractions . . .

it's not so much what issues I disagree with as it is the issues they refuse to act on or even talk about . . . like voting machines and election fraud . . .

[Raine]

72. Anti-rich

the Democrats are anti-rich (anyway that's what the rethugs claim) and that just rubs me the wrong way. :sarcasm:

[Jason9612]

74. Alright, I'm back, now let me defend myself...

Firstly, these are the only ANTI-Democratic principles that I agree with. Other than what I've already stated, I'm Democrat all the way.

For Anti-Abortion: This is not so much a religious type thing, but for me I don't believe in it because it is EXTREMELY unfair to the unborn fetus. Think about it. If you were that fetus, would you want to be killed just because mommy made a mistake? I understand that many teenage women (and even older women) make "mistakes" and get pregnant unintentionally. The bottom line here is they need to be taught RESPONSIBILITY. They have to have safe sex if they don't want a kid. They must accept their consequences. However, I do believe that Abortions SHOULD be legal in case of something like rape...

For Pro-Death Penalty: I believe firmly that the WORST criminals in our society do not even deserve the decency to live. People who have killed tens, HUNDREDS of people, should not even be able to live their life in prison. I believe in the Death Penalty only in extreme cases. I'm talking about multiple-murders and mutli-rapers. People who have done the absolute dispicable and gone over the edge, well, I have NO pity for them.

For Anti-Gay Marriage: I know I'll get flamed for this, but the very concept of Marriage is a contract between a MAN and a WOMAN. That's how it has always been defined. Am I for civil unions? Absolutely. But the concept of marriage, I don't know, that's just too much for me. Marriage, while technically a legal status, is also a major religious occasion. We all know the bible is clearly against homosexuality, and while I don't see a problem with it, I will say our society is not quite yet ready to take that next leap with homosexual marriage.

[Roland99]

80. Still waiting for you to "defend" yourself.

Regurgitating your OP isn't defending yourself.

[dysfunctional press]

84. if i were a fetus...

i wouldn't want to be born into a home where i wasn't wanted.

btw- why do feel that it's fair to a fetus concieved by rape to have it's "life" extinguished...? isn't the fetus an innocent victim in that case...?

[Bridget Burke]

92. My turn.

Anti-choice: Unborn fetuses (are there any other kind?) don't have feelings as you understand them. Especially when most unwanted pregnancies are terminated quite early. Even the best contraceptive is not 100% effective. And men need to take some RESPONSIBILITY, too. If the fetus is the living, thinking, feeling being you envision, it should NOT be killed because of rape. Someone with your attitude generally thinks most women were just asking for it. (And what's "something like rape"?)

Pro-death penalty: No matter how heinous their crime, the rich tend to avoid the death penalty. In fact, they tend to avoid any punishment at all. A millionaire admitted to dismembering a neighbor & dumping his body in the Gulf not long ago. He was set free--nobody was really sure that he'd killed the guy. (The millionaire's wife disappeared mysteriously years ago.) The correctional system was set up to protect society. Most inmates will be released, so their rehabilitation will help us all. Those who are too dangerous must remain imprisoned. Most of the world has abandoned the death penalty. Your pity or lack of same is irrelevant.

Anti-Gay Marriage: The Democratic Party has not come out in favor of Gay Marriage, although Civil Unions have been recommended. Government should be concerned with the legal implications of marriage only. Let the Churches marry whomever they wish, but leave The Bible out of Government, please!

What do you think about Gay Rights, Women's Rights, Illegal Wars & separation of Church & State?

[Jason9612]

75. I love how out of the 70+ responses, only 3 actually answered the question

...And aside from that, I've just been flamed to death.

To the ONE guy that's apologized to me for being flamed, I say thank you.

I thought that being Democrat included being accepted if not all your views fit the mold?

I really don't appreciate the flaming, while it's fine to disagree with me, INSULTING me is unacceptable IMO.

[Norquist Nemesis]

83. No flame here, but an observation

You came in looking for a fight and got one. :shrug:

[Bridget Burke]

93. Being a Democrat means accepting non-Democrats....

As Republicans.

[Hubert Flottz]

79. Going along to get along!

[mdmc]

86. good point

the only dem positions that I oppose are shared with the gop

[mdmc]

81. you rat worm freeper!

Thanks for the OP! K/R

Anyway-
I do not like the new bankruptcy bill (thanks dlc :mad:)
I do not like the death penalty
I do not like the drug war
I do not like pre-emptive war's of choice
I do support public education
I do support universal health care
I do support legal immigration of all that desire citizenry
I oppose illegal wiretapping
I oppose war with Iran.

:D

[Lydia Leftcoast]

85. I disagree with the conventional interpretation of "a strong defense"

We defend ourselves best by maintaining good relations with other countries, not using military force except for real self-defense (as opposed to fantasies about WMD), and resisting the temptation to "fix" other countries.

[bleedingheart]

87. NAFTA and CAFTA

but then again not all Democrats like them either..

[SunDrop23]

89. Since 3 of 4 hetero marriages end in divorce, I have to speak out against

hetero marriage for the destruction it is causing on our society and the sanctity of marriage.

[Crunchy Frog]

97. I disagree with triangulation, and with Dems who are afraid

of confronting the Bush regime. I disagree with the Dems who supported the Iraq invasion, or who gave Bush a blank check for the invasion with the IWR. I disagree with the Dem support of the death penalty, and the bankruptcy bill. I disagree with the unconditional, large scale support for Israel, and I disagree with the Democratic opposition to gay marriage, or support for the marriage amendment.