Lou Dobbs: GOD or CLOD?

[Gato Moteado]

depending on what lou dobbs says each night he can range anywhere from a racist scumbag to a media saviour here on DU.

ok, what is it DU? is dobbs a god or a clod?

[CoffeeCat]

1. For the sake of clarification....

...what makes Dobbs racist?

I don't think people should enter this country illegally. Does that make me a racist?

[Eurobabe]

4. Me too. My hubby came here the legal way

and spent alot of time at the INS. Where do these illegal aliens get off thinking something is "due" to them??

[CoffeeCat]

7. I am puzzled by the actions taken by illegals...

I think immigration should be made a helluva lot easier. If more people want to come in, we should allow it, and it should take weeks or months--not years--to get in.

I'm puzzled by the demonstrations, which seemed odd. People who are breaking the law, and in this country illegally--are making demands? The position they are in is not a good one.

This is a complex issue, because BushCo has kept the borders porous for years. They've done nothing when they knew people were coming here. Therefore, illegals should not be punished for being here. Clearly, they are good people who want to be here and they are an important part of this country and our economy. You can't reprimand or punish someone when the unspoken policy was, "Oh come on in...you can have a job, live here and we'll do nothing."

Seems to me---the answer is to make it harder to cross the border, but easier to gain citizenship.

I want more immigrants from other countries and cultures, not fewer. The Hispanic population in our area has swelled and I couldn't be happier about it.

[Gato Moteado]

9. hey....i didn't call him a racist....i'm just repeating what i see...

...others say.

[CoffeeCat]

11. Yep...I was asking the question in general...

...to anyone who would like to answer.

No worries. :)

[Gato Moteado]

17. ok...thanks......

and isn't the range of responses in this thread interesting?

[w4rma]

2. Media god. He's one of the founders of CNN. Which is why he is able to get

away with saying what he says against pro-cheap labor folks.

[gizmo1979]

3. I like Lou Dobbs

He is the only pundit to stick up for the middle class.He freaks out over imigration,but that's his money issue can't begrudge him that.

[billbuckhead]

6. Dobbs is one of the most dangerous anti-Dem pundits

Lou never says anything that helps liberals, he just stabs us in the back.

[CoffeeCat]

10. He slams BushCo...

...and he was instrumental in the Dubai deal being squashed.

He's totally outspoken on outsourcing and about the economic slaughter of the middle class.

I have to say--I'm a card-carrying Dem. However, Dems have been just as guilty as the Republicans as far as corruption and being slaves to their corporate masters. I don't see Dobbs slaying Dems for liberalism. I see him calling both Dems and Reps on the carpet when they serve special interests over American interests.

There are plenty of Dems who deserve to be raked over the coals---for their lack of spines and for their "business as usual" bullshit that only helps corporations and hurts Americans.

I find that refreshing.

[gizmo1979]

21. I'm with you.

I may not agree with him all the time and his immigration deal gets alittle old but I like Lou and what he stands for.

[gizmo1979]

20. You never watch lou

He says things to help us everyday.He's the only one that talks about losing our jobs to China.He sticks up for the wotrking stiff everyday.You can disagree with some of his views,but come on you can't say he's dangerous.That's silly.

[billbuckhead]

35. I watch him everyday and he slams the Dems hard

This guy doesn't help liberals and makes bigotry acceptable. Dobbs might not exactly say racist things but he promotes a climate that makes them more acceptable. And ask yourself, who are these advocates for illeagl aliens? Jesus maybe?

[Berserker]

30. Don't include Liberals

in your statement. I am a Liberal and I agree with him 100% on the Illegal Immigrant issue. You may want to state he stabs the OPEN BORDER crowd in the back. Don't include this Liberal in your assumption.

[billbuckhead]

39. The "open border crowd"? Who are they?

Christians? Corporations? Who exactly is this latest buzzword?

[Roxy66]

5. stupid poll n/t

[Gato Moteado]

14. why?

nt

[me b zola]

8. Neither

I disagree with most of his views because he is conservative, but I respect him for not bowing to the corporate masters and because he doesn't read from the gop script.

If we were a sane nation, Dobbs would be what the opposition party looks like. As it stands now, the repulican party is comprised of religious nuts and greedy war profiteers & corporatists doing the devil's bidding.

[newswolf56]

12. The notion that opposition to illegal immigration is "racist" is...

an especially clever ploy by the ruling class to enlist knee-jerk Leftist and/or pseudo-Leftist support for union busting and other forms of forcible wage-reduction. Same reason the corporate media gives massive coverage to pro-illegal-immigration demonstrations and methodically minimizes or suppresses news of anti-war demonstrations.

By the way: licensed guest workers can be organized; classic fly-by-night illegals cannot. Which is why adequate border control is the vital first step to the re-empowerment of U.S. workers in the struggle against corporate subjugation -- part of the class-struggle against Big Business imperialism whether here at home or abroad.

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Edit: to post to journal.

[Gato Moteado]

19. good points.....

and even stranger was when the ruling class tried calling anyone who opposed the dubai ports deal a racist. that was laughable. the right wing even got one of chimpy's retarded nephews to get on TV and say it was racist to oppose the dubai ports deal. hilarious, coming from another bushtard.

[biglake]

34. Yes. Successful dodge- distraction from corporate power/illegalities.

We need to stop the greed. It is a class struggle (an economic issue) that criminal corporations are winning with middle and lower income folks losing at every turn. I am amazed at the knee jerk confusion.
Some get hung up on it as an issue of racism instead. Enforce our laws-all of them. The "illegal" whether corporate or individual, need to feel the certitude of American law. Some will do battle with their own governments (an issue of nationalism?) as we do battle with ours. Close the border. I believe it really is a dangerous time in history - time to protect and care for America and Americans for a change, while we still can.

[elfin]

13. Neither.... but at least authentic eom

[valerief]

15. I don't understand it. American business builds plants in

Mexico, pollutes the hell out of Mexico, hires Mexicans, and lays off Americans. And we're supposed to be pissed, because Mexicans live, work, and spend money here? Shouldn't we be angry with the American corporations who abandoned us?

[xultar]

16. Racist Media Glod.

[biglake]

18. Like and respect Lou. Depend on his straight talk.

He takes issues to their essentials. I too am for enforcement of regulation against the lawbreaking corporations and the politicians who aid them. Odd. Why pick on Lou when there are so few voices in the wilderness with microphones speaking against the powerful money interests? Love Amy Goodman of course.

[Gato Moteado]

22. i respect lou also......

i don't really agree with him on the immigration issue. i think anyone should be able to come here and seek a better life as long as they don't cause trouble and commit crimes.

that said, i don't think lou is a racist because of his view on the issue.

[Harper_is_Bush]

23. Definite clod.

He's not partisan to the same degree as rightwingers. He's quite willing to eviscerate (sp) Bush, but he has a complete "me me me me" mentality.

[Mr_Spock]

24. Clearly he's both, or neither. Very silly poll.

What are we accomplishing here anyway?

A fight?

[Gato Moteado]

26. actually, i think it's a good poll......

look at the range of responses. look at how close the vote is on two very extremely different options.

if nothing else, it shows that DUers are not guilty of groupthink like freepers and dittoheads.

[Mr_Spock]

27. I'll give you that

I was expecting people might fight about it though :D

[Gato Moteado]

29. ah hell....people will fight about anything on here.....

say something not flattering about texas, joke about the south, or say something about one of the many other hot button issues and you'll get a fight. but we can all take it! our skin is thick.

anyway, i doubt anyone will fight over lou dobbs one way or the other.

[Harper_is_Bush]

28. 'tis a good poll

The only critisism I could make is more choices....because I think he's a clod...but I don't know if I think he's a "racist" clod. He's got a hard-on for illegals, but can that be called racist?

It's a good poll though because that guy is an enigma. It's a mystery how he keeps his job!

[Gato Moteado]

31. hey it's even more a mystery how chimpy and cheney keep their jobs!

i mean, lou dobbs approval rating is over 50% on this poll. chimpy and cheney's approval ratings added together don't match that.

[Harper_is_Bush]

38. lol! no doubt. I guess Lou is always at the mercy of the ratings

while * has the luxury of being untouchable....until after Nov. at least!

[NastyDiaper]

25. He makes a good point that the laws are in place

Dobbs to President: Do you take us for fools?
and there is really nothing keeping congress or the executice from doing their job. This problem is about labor, not walls. The corporations, the politicians, and even the upper class employing nannies are to blame. Organized and citizen labor is getting screwed big time and the Dems need to stand up on this one.

[Selatius]

32. I would've been happy to vote for "a man who means well"

He may have policies you disagree with, but he's up front about them, and he agrees with you on other areas like trade and helping the middle class.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

33. Just another loud mouthed bully picking on the helpless.

A rich white man "defending" the middle-class from the Mexican bogeyman.

[billbuckhead]

36. Dobbs subtly makes racism more acceptable

America is more of a problem to Mexicans than Mexicans are a problem to Americans. Mexicans don't keep our wages down, our corporate overlords keep our wages down. Part of the reason they're up here is because they can't compete with Chinese slave labor either.

[El Fuego]

37. RACE CARD, RACE CARD, whatcha gonna do?

When no one cares if anyone's purple, green or blue. :(

[Gato Moteado]

40. The vote is in!

Lou Dobbs: Media God!

[wicket]

41. I love me some Dobbs

n/t