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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 04:25 PM
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Raw Story & TPM Prove White House Abramoff Records False
Edited on Wed May-10-06 05:07 PM by kpete
Abramoff visited twice, White House records say;
White House records show just two visits by convicted lobbyist; Records proven incomplete
Raw Story
John Byrne
Published: Wednesday May 10, 2006

Records do not include visit made on May 9, 2001

"Secret Service records released today under court order show that convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff made only two visits to the White House since President Bush took office in January 2001," Cox News Service is reporting Article.http://www.coxwashington.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/washington/washington/entries/2006/05/10/abramoffs_white.html

"On March 6, 2001, Abramoff entered at 4:23 p.m. and left at 4:49 p.m. On Jan. 20, 2004, he went in at 10:42 a.m. and left at 11:29 a.m. The records do not show who he saw or what the topic was," Cox reported. "Bush delivered a State of the Union address on Jan. 20, 2004."

This, however, does not square with what is already in the public record. The New York Times reported that Bush met with Abramoff and an Indian tribal leader on May 9, 2001 -- which is not in the Secret Service logs
Article: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/10/politics/10abramoff.html?ex=1299646800&en=d587f3bd19d2a66c&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

Andrew Blum, Abramoff's legal spokesman, said he had "no comment" about whether the records were accurate in response to a RAW STORY inquiry.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/White_House_records_show_just_two_0510.html

and from TPM

WH Records Exclude Abramoff Visits
By Paul Kiel - May 10, 2006, 5:05 PM

We know of at least three visits by Jack Abramoff to the White House that aren't included in the recently-released visitor logs.

Remember that the only visits the Secret Service's records show are on January 20, 2004 and March 6, 2001.

That means these records don't account for any of the meetings the White House has publicly confirmed: Hannukah receptions in 2001 and 2002, as well as the infamous May 9, 2001, "$25,000 Meeting," of which we have a picture.
(Photo of May 9 WH meeting here: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1158908,00.html )

In short, the records are a joke.

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/000611.php

AND MORE FROM RAWSTORY

Bush nominated Abramoff associate same day Abramoff visited the White House in 2001

Ron Brynaert
Published: Wednesday May 10, 2006

Convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff met with President George W. Bush the same day President Bush nominated one of Abramoff's former colleagues to be Assistant Secretary of Labor, RAW STORY has found.

President Bush announced his intent to nominate Patrick Pizzella, who worked with Abramoff at his former lawfirm Preston Gates Ellis & Rouvelas Meeds, the same day Abramoff made a visit to the White House, according to Secret Service records released today.

On Mar. 6, 2001, Abramoff entered at 4:23 p.m. and left at 4:49 p.m., according to Cox News Service, which obtained the records from the government watchdog Judicial Watch today (Article).

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Bush_nominated_Abramoff_associate_same_day_0510.html




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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 04:27 PM
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1. AHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
like a deflated balloon swirling towards a lonely corner...

You shot another blank White House!
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enid602 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 04:28 PM
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2. shocked
What? Are you suggesting that the doc was tampered? But that would be like breaking one of the Ten Commandments.
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Betsy Ross Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 04:40 PM
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5. Thou shall not tamper?
You have a different bible. LOL!
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 04:29 PM
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3. Now why on earth would the WH give false records???
Edited on Wed May-10-06 04:30 PM by sparosnare
Because the real ones are incriminating? Must be BAD. :rofl: :popcorn:
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 04:40 PM
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6. they didn't give false records, they are incomplete
and all they could find by using computer generation.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 05:38 PM
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14. Hi Nancy!
I stand corrected - incomplete, not false. :D Hope you're doing well! :hug:
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 05:39 PM
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15. imagine who else might be on those records....
me too...:popcorn:
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 04:40 PM
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4. Actually it is acknowledged that they are incomplete
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 04:44 PM
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7. That's because on some visits he leaped out of a cake wearing a g-string
Edited on Wed May-10-06 04:45 PM by IanDB1
Secret Service never checked inside the cake.

"The card says, 'Happy Birthday Scotty, Love Jeff and Duke.' Hmmm... I wonder what it could be? Oh, my! You guys!"

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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 04:52 PM
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8. RawStory seems to have the right answer.
It sounds like Judicial Watch didn't make a distinction that can be made; whether it's a distinction they should have made is a different question. They appear to have asked for White House logs, and they got White House logs. Whether or not "White House" usually covers the adjacent Eisenhower building, I can't say. RawStory apparently wants the expression to, and Judicial Watch is also clearly unimpressed. But if the Secret Service directs staff to go to the White House, I suspect they wouldn't go to the EEOB, or vice-versa. It's unclear to me if the prez has an office there; Wikipedia says Nixon had an office there, and that has *'s not having an office there as an implicature, but not as an implication; it says that the VP has since the early '60s. I didn't know this.

There's the White House; there's the Eisenhower Executive Office Building. They're adjacent, but they're separate buildings. The EEOB is on 17th Av, and has its own entrance. The administrative staff from the WH slops over into the EEOB. Abramoff was at a reception on 5/9/01 in the EEOB, not in the WH--he was meeting with senators, and I have to assume there's appropriate space there for such a thing.

A standard difference or not, precision would have made the ambiguity go away.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 04:58 PM
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9. Wonder how many visits coincided with JimmyJeff?
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 05:19 PM
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10. Olbermann and AP said more than 200 times:
From the May 2nd Transcript of Countdown - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12615276/

OLBERMANN: Any D.C. scandal roundup incomplete without mention of a certain former lobbyist. Conveniently, there is big news in the Jack Abramoff case, or the guaranteed promise of big news in the very near future, a federal judge ordering the Secret Service to release all records of any visit that Mr. Abramoff or his associates made to the White House, the logs for every visit, from January 1 of 2001 to the current day, the conservative watchdog group, Judicial Watch, filing suit to get those logs. after the Secret Service failed to respond to its request under the Freedom of Information Act, the Associated Press hinting the number of visits could end up ranging in the high hundreds.

I went to the White House 200 times and all I got was this one lousy photo, records obtained by the AP showing that Mr. Abramoff‘s lobbying team logged nearly 200 meetings with administration officials during Mr. Bush‘s first 10 months in office on behalf of just one of Abramoff‘s clients. The logs must be handed over by the 10th of May.

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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 05:33 PM
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12. AP story specifically mentions they HAVE "lobbying records"
The president has said he does not know Abramoff personally. When a photo of Bush with Abramoff surfaced earlier this year, the president said he has his picture taken with "a lot of people." In the 2001 photo, Bush is shaking hands with a leader of an Indian tribe. Abramoff is in the background.

A few days after Bush made the remarks about the photo, Abramoff expressed surprise in e-mails to a magazine editor about the president's faulty memory. Abramoff told the Washingtonian magazine that he had met with Bush nearly a dozen times and that Bush knew him well enough to joke with him.

Three former business associates of Abramoff also told The Associated Press that Abramoff often mentioned White House adviser Karl Rove when talking about his influence inside the White House.

Abramoff was a $100,000 fundraiser for Bush and lobbying records obtained by the AP show his lobbying team logged nearly 200 meetings with the administration during its first 10 months in office on behalf of one of his clients, the Northern Mariana Islands.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060501/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_abramoff

is anybody else stunned that there's been ZERO M$M followup on this story?

of course, not, but what about the Dems? silly me



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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:48 AM
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24. hmmm, why is AP so mum if it has the records? Perhaps these records are
now "classified in the name of national security?" Or maybe someone in AP is being bought off? Who owns AP?
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 05:28 PM
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11. Recognize the little guy in the circle from May 9 2001 Meeting?
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 05:36 PM
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13. ha! from the above AP story:
''In the 2001 photo, Bush is shaking hands with a leader of an Indian tribe. Abramoff is in the background.''
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 08:25 PM
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16. Can we ALL now say together the words COVER UP!!!!
If I remember correctly, it was the COVER UP, Not the Break in that ultimately brought down Nixon.
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cirrostratus Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 12:18 AM
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19. Where is the media on this?
Is it too much to expect the mainstream media to finally start asking questions about a cover-up?
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 09:09 PM
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17. I thought it was more like one a day for 3 months solid!
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 10:12 PM
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18. I know nothing .... nothing
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 07:08 AM
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20. I am shocked, SHOCKED to find that gambling is going on in here..
I heard Cheney is going to turn over the notes from the Energy Policy meetings too. You know, the ones where they talk about how LOW the price of oil will be because we will be pwoning all the oil in Iraq....
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 07:16 AM
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21. Great post kpete
big brother is gonna take away the internets because of research like this.

I don't know what we do without you.

Thank you:hi:
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 07:21 AM
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22. Bloggers uber alles


Restore truth and accountability to journalism !!!
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:43 AM
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23. what a shocker, * lies AGAIN. So what else is new? Throw the lying bums
OUT :puke:
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