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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 01:10 PM
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Larry David: Crazies say Bush lost in 2004 - Greg Palast
CRANKS AND KOOKS: KERRY WON IN '04 ... HEAR ONE OF THEM--LARRY DAVID--TELL YOU THE STONE-COLD EVIDENCE THAT, YEP, GEORGE BUSH STOLE IT IN 2004. AGAIN.
>From Armed Madhouse, the new book by Greg Palast
Wednesday, May 10, 2006

Hear Larry David, auteur of HBO's "Curb Your Enthusiasm," and principal writer of the "Seinfeld" series reading Palast's new book, Armed Madhouse, Chapter 4: The Con-Kerry Won at www.GregPalast.com

Read the excerpt here:

THE CON

Kerry Won. Now Get Over It . . .

....because they're putting '08 in their pocket. Republicans just seem to have that winning spirit. They also have caging lists, felons of the future, rotting ballots, snuffed canaries, and a lock on the votes of Kissinger-Americans and the undead.

WARNING! There are cranks and kooks and crazies out there on the Internet who say that George Bush lost the 2004 election, like one titled, "Kerry Won" published on the TomPaine.com web site two days after the election. I wrote it.

On November 11, a week after TomPaine.com published it, I received an e-mail from The New York Times Washington Bureau. Hot on the investigation of the veracity of the vote, The Times reporter asked me pointed questions:

Question #1: Are you a "sore loser"?

Question #2: Are you a "conspiracy nut"?

There was no third question. Investigation of the vote was, for The Times at any rate, complete. The next day, the paper's thorough analysis of the evidence yielded this front-page story, "VOTE FRAUD THEORIES, SPREAD BY BLOGS, ARE QUICKLY BURIED."

As America's self-proclaimed Paper of Record had no space for the facts, I thought I'd share some with you here.

"Kerry Won" was not a two-day inquiry ࠬa Times. It was the latest in a series of investigative reports coming out of a four-year team examination, begun for BBC Television's Newsnight, Britain's Guardian papers and Harper's Magazine, dissecting that greasy sausage called American electoral democracy.

And, by the way, the answer to Question #1: I didn't lose, so I'm not sore. This investigation isn't about John Kerry. As a journalist, I don't give a toss which rich white kid won the game. But I'm not so blas頴hat I don't care about the disappearance of American democracy. And I really wanted to know how the Bushes swallowed the sausage.

How'd they do it? Again. And how will they do it in '08? The answer arrived just after midnight on October 8, 2004, three weeks before the official voting, in a series of extraordinary e-mails. The e-mails were intended for the chieftains of the President's re-election campaign in Washington. Strangely enough, they were misaddressed and ended up in my mailbox. Such things happen.

NIGHT OF THE UNCOUNTED:
How to Disappear Three Million Votes

But the e-mails and their technical attachments won't mean a thing unless you understand some arcane facts about elections American-style.

First, consider CNN's Ohio exit polls broadcast just after midnight after the voting ended on Election Day. They show John Kerry defeated George Bush among women voters by 53% to 47%. And among men voters, Kerry defeated Bush 51% to 49%.

So here's your question, class: What third sex put George Bush over the top in Ohio and gave him the White House?

Answer: The Uncounted.

In Ohio, there were 153,237 ballots simply thrown away, more than the Bush "victory" margin. In New Mexico the uncounted vote was fives times the Bush alleged victory margin of 5,988. In Iowa, Bush's triumph of 13,498 was overwhelmed by 36,811 votes rejected. In all, over three million votes were cast but never counted in the 2004 presidential election. The official number is bad enough-1,855,827 ballots cast not counted, reported to the federal government's Election's Assistance Commission. But the feds are missing data from several cities and entire states too embarrassed to report the votes they failed to count. Correcting for the under-reporting of the undercount, the number of ballots cast but never counted goes to 3,600,380. And there are certainly more we couldn't locate to tote up.

Why doesn't your government tell you this? Hey, they do. It's right there in black-and-white on a U.S. Census Bureau announcement released seven months after the election -- in a footnote to the report on voter turn -- out. The Census tabulation of voters voting "differs," from ballots tallied by the Clerk of the House of Representatives for the 2004 presidential race by 3.4 million votes.

This is the hidden presidential count which, excepting the Census' whispered footnote, has not been reported.

Unfortunately, that's not all. In addition to the 3 million ballots uncounted due to technical "glitches," millions more were lost because the voters were prevented from casting their ballots in the first place. This group of un-votes includes voters illegally denied registration or wrongly purged from the registries.

In the voting biz, most of these lost votes are called "spoilage." Spoilage, not the voters, picked our president for us.

Joe Stalin, the story goes, said, "It's not the people who vote that count; it's the people who count the votes." That may have been true in the old Soviet Union, but in the U.S.A, the game is much, much subtler: He who makes sure votes don't get counted decides our winners.

In the lead-up to the 2004 race, millions of Americans were, not unreasonably, panicked about computer voting machines, "black boxes," that could flip your vote from John Kerry to George Bush. Images abounded of an evil hacker-genius in Dick Cheney's bunker rewriting code and zapping the totals. But that's not how it went down. The computer scare was the McGuffin, the fake detail used by magicians to keep your eye off their hands. The new black boxes played their role, albeit minor, but the principal means of the election heist-voiding ballots, overwhelmingly of the poor and Black-went unexposed, unreported and most importantly, uncorrected and ready to roll out on a grander scale in 2008.

I went to sleep election night with the exit polls showing Kerry ahead in swing states. But between 1:05 am and 6:41 am the next morning, goblins went to work. By dawn, the network's exit poll for Ohio showed Kerry dead even with Bush among women, and down by five percentage points among men.

What happened? Were thousands of Bush voters locked in the voting booths, released at 2am, then queried about their choices? Not quite. The network's polling company applied a fancy "algorithm," a mathematical magic wand, to slowly transform the exit polls to match the official count.

And that's bad. By deliberately contaminating the exit polls, the networks snuffed the canary that would signal that something was deeply wrong about the vote count.

Hunting for a Democrat to defend the Twilight Zone between the exit polls and the "official" polls, media grabbed on Dick Morris, Bill Clinton's old advisor. An expert at walking that fine line between minor criminality and psychopathic ambition, Morris knows which way his next client's wind blows.

Morris said:

"Exit polls are almost never wrong. So reliable are the surveys that actually tap voters as they leave the polling places that they're used as guides to the relative honesty of elections in Third World Countries. To screw up one exit poll is unheard of. To miss six of them is incredible."

His opening was promising, but then he switches into full Morris:
"It boggles the imagination how pollsters could be that incompetent and invites speculation that more than honest error was at play here."

So, Dick, you're telling us there was an evil cabal among six pollsters, competitors who don't even like each other, conspiring one dark night to make George Bush look like a vote thief.

There's another explanation: Kerry won.

We've got the body (the wounded elections), we've got the bullet holes (the missing votes), now where are the smoking guns? How does the GOP disappear the vote? And why do Democratic ballots spoil so much more readily than Republican ballots? How's it done?

But that little Bill O'Reilly in your head is screaming, Get over it; let's move on already. What they tested in 2000 and practiced in 2004, they are preparing to roll out in 2008 big time.

----

Get the rest of the nasty truth about the election of 2004 and the program to steal '08 -- from Republican "caging lists," the "disappearing Democrats of Area 51," 50 illustrations and even weirder stuff in ARMED MADHOUSE: WHOSE AFRAID OF OSAMA WOLF?, CHINA FLOATS BUSH SINKS, THE SCHEME TO STEAL 2008, NO CHILD'S BEHIND LEFT AND OTHER DISPATCHES FROM THE FRONT LINES OF THE CLASS WAR, Greg Palast's newest expos頯f war, oil, elections and class.

Or get the 5 CD ARMED MADHOUSE audio book: Read by Larry David, Randi Rhodes, Janeane Garofalo, Randy Credico, Brad Friedman, Mark Crispin Miller, Jerry Quickley , Amy Goodman, Ed Asner, Brod Bagert, Medea Benjamin, Kevin Danaher, Jim Hightower, and Shiva Rose.

"No one has uncovered more about the Bush Dynasty than Greg Palast ... and lived to write about it." - Baltimore Chronicle

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 01:17 PM
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1. Bush-Cheney cheated. Kerry-Edwards won. /nt
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 01:26 PM
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2. It is as plain as day, yet our bought and paid for media are silent.
Everyone must buy, hawk, and push this book. It may be the most important book ever published for the life of our country...
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 01:27 PM
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3. Time for Jon Stewert or Colbert to interview him about this.
Edited on Wed May-10-06 01:28 PM by helderheid
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 05:38 PM
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39. They're not just silent. It's evident now, that they are in on it.
n/t
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 01:30 PM
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4. My favorite line is:
"I didn't lose so I'm not sore." Great comeback.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 01:35 PM
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6. Too bad Kerry never bothered using it. His own image was more important
than our votes, Still is.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 04:00 PM
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28. And, that is why he is not a viable Presidential candidate
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SoCalDemGrrl Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 01:51 AM
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48. Respectfully disagree- Kerry rocks.
Unfortunately on the morning after the stolen 2004 election he could not provide iron clad evidence of theft, so he was forced to concede.

Just a question for all you Kerry naysayers - how do you suggest he could have proven the theft of the election and therfore claimed his rightful win??
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 01:45 PM
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8. Here's mine, just for the imagery
"And I really wanted to know how the Bushes swallowed the sausage."
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 01:34 PM
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5. found much more here:
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=501&row=0


<snip>
In the voting biz, most of these lost votes are called "spoilage." Spoilage, not the voters, picked our president for us.

Joe Stalin, the story goes, said, "It's not the people who vote that count; it's the people who count the votes." That may have been true in the old Soviet Union, but in the U.S.A, the game is much, much subtler: He who makes sure votes don't get counted decides our winners.



In the lead-up to the 2004 race, millions of Americans were, not unreasonably, panicked about computer voting machines, "black boxes," that could flip your vote from John Kerry to George Bush. Images abounded of an evil hacker-genius in Dick Cheney's bunker rewriting code and zapping the totals. But that's not how it went down. The computer scare was the McGuffin, the fake detail used by magicians to keep your eye off their hands. The new black boxes played their role, albeit minor, but the principal means of the election heist-voiding ballots, overwhelmingly of the poor and Black-went unexposed, unreported and most importantly, uncorrected and ready to roll out on a grander scale in 2008.


I went to sleep election night with the exit polls showing Kerry ahead in swing states. But between 1:05 am and 6:41 am the next morning, goblins went to work. By dawn, the network's exit poll for Ohio showed Kerry dead even with Bush among women, and down by five percentage points among men.

What happened? Were thousands of Bush voters locked in the voting booths, released at 2am, then queried about their choices? Not quite. The network's polling company applied a fancy "algorithm," a mathematical magic wand, to slowly transform the exit polls to match the official count.

And that's bad. By deliberately contaminating the exit polls, the networks snuffed the canary that would signal that something was deeply wrong about the vote count.
</snip>

More at the link
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 01:38 PM
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7. Damn right they cheated!
They cheated their way to power in '00, '02, '04, and if we dont stop them, they'll do it again in '06 and '08.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 01:52 PM
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9. Kick for Greg
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 01:52 PM
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10. Greg Palast's new book ARMED MADNESS is great!
I am lucky enough to be working on an event featuring him and I received an advance copy. I had to go straight to Chapter 4 On Election fraud. My blood is boiling over details about New Mexico. Anyway, if you like BEST DEMOCRACY MONEY CAN BUY, you'll love this book. He will be touring giving talks on the book. Here is a schedule (I highly suggest that those who have never seen him to make an effort)

M-June 5 Portland
T-June 6 San Francisco
W-June 7 Berkeley
W-June 7 Santa Rosa
TH-June 8 Seattle
F-June 9 San Francisco
F-June 9 Los Angeles
Sa-June 10 San Diego
SU-June 11 Chicago
M-June 12 Wash DC
T-June 13 NYC
W-June 14 NYC
TH June 15 Boulder
F-June 16 Denver
SA-June 17 Albuquerque
SU June 18th Austin
M-June 19 Houston
T- June 20 Columbus
W- June 21 Albany
F- June 23 Atlanta
Sa-June 24 Tampa

how's that a schedule for you?

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 01:56 PM
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11. Thanks for the list of appearances.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 02:06 PM
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15. Are you going to the one in Columbus? Do you have more details?
I might be able to drive over....

The last time I was in Columbus was in Jan '04 -- to see the Rev. Jesse Jackson, Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones, David Cobb, Bob Fitrakis. I think I remember you posted that you were there, too.

:hi:
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 02:34 PM
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18. pm-ed you.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 02:45 PM
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19. you ARE lucky! Do you get to meet him?
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 02:49 PM
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22. Even better. Holding a fund raiser at my home for Free Press after
the event. Greg was one of the people who participated in the CASE Ohio rally after the '04 election. For all the bad stuff that goes on here in Ohio, it sure is exciting.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 01:58 PM
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12. "You go with what works..."
Edited on Wed May-10-06 02:06 PM by kenny blankenship
I expect to see America's tradition upheld next time around--disenfranchisement, locked out voters, tampering everywhere.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 02:01 PM
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13. Thanks for posting this, helderheid!
Like I could love either of them any more than I do... :loveya:
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 02:02 PM
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14. Sing it loud & proud: I'm STILL CRAZY after all these years...
Wooooooo, still crazy after all these years.

Go Larry! Go Greg! Go Mark! Go Brad! Go Amy! Go Ed! Go Janeane! Go Medea! Go Jim!

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 02:18 PM
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17. Yeah! With that line-up reading his book for CD, I want to buy
the CD just for those voices! :toast:
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 02:14 PM
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16. kick n/t
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 02:46 PM
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20. Greg Palast appears in the Sundance award winning film AMERICAN BLACKOUT.
Excellent film-highly recommended.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 02:48 PM
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21. Paging the Democratic Party Leadership ......
...... hello Leaders.

Please read this.

Thank you.

Your faithful follower,
Stinky The Clown
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 02:49 PM
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23. You know what? We need to send a copy to all of our Dem leaders - Feingold
for sure needs to read this book after stating we'll get rid of the machines AFTER WE WIN THE HOUSE.
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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 03:11 PM
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24. Am I remembering correctly?
Wasn't it us on DU that hijacked those Repub "caging" lists from Florida, and got them to Greg Palast? I know that I downloaded some of them and still have them here somewhere....sent a tip to Wonkette, she emailed back immediately, asking for the lists, saying that she would get them to someone who would know what to do with them...so maybe she sent the lists to Palast? Anyhoo, I know that we got them, and someone got them to Palast (at least the ones from FL) Can someone refresh my memory? I'm old.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 03:37 PM
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25. WOW, this was a DU effort?? Amazing!
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 03:39 PM
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26. The book states he got them unsolicited from some guy who owned a site
called georgewbush.org. * used geo...sh.com and someone in the GOP made a mistake and sent them to the org site in an email.
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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 04:36 PM
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35. that's how we got them
Morans mixed up their .com and their .net, and the guy posted them on his website. They didn't stay posted very long after we discovered them, and posted the discovery here on GD. Then, we started downloading the attachments like crazy, because we knew they wouldn't last long. (DU being monitored by RW and maybe agent Mickey) Sure enough, they soon were taken down, but too late, we had them all. There was an immediate suggestion to get the evidence to Palast, because some DUers knew he was in Florida, so I really think that DUers arranged to get them to Palast, or arranged for the owner of that site to get them to him. It could have been thru Ana Marie Cox, I sent them to her, and whereupon she reported the story immediately, she didn't post info from the attachements. She did credit DU with discovering the .com and .net mix-up and the emails tho. ( Also can't believe that they were unencrypted attachments to emails from Jeb's office.) No matter what he said, I think it was DUers who either directly or indirectly got them to Palast.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 03:59 PM
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27. THAT IS WHY IT WAS SO IMPORTANT FOR KERRY NOT TO CONCEED

This went WAY beyond him.

This was about maintaining a media spotlight on the issue. It was about keeping the light on the issue to expose the truth. This is precisely why I can't support a second Kerry run.

He PROMISED during his entire campaign that he would make sure that every vote was counted. But, he didn't even try. Worse, his campaign didn't even work to stem off this possible issue. I contacted the Kerry campaign before the election, and asked what was there plan, if the GOP cheated. They acted like I was some lunatic fringe nut from planet Liberalnutjobs. I blogged this issue on their site. No response. Kerry still won't confront what happened. And, there is no way in hell I am going to support a candidate that won't confront this reality. This is NOT a conspiracy theory. It is a conspiracy.

And, forget 2008.

What do you think they have in the works for 2006...

You think they are going to let democrats win back the Congress? HA! I think they are concerned, however, that since the polls are so HUGELY against them, a Republican win this time around may arouse much more suspicion. That doesn't mean they won't cheat. It justs means they are worried about getting caught. We must talk about their plans now, so that when it happens (which it will), people will at least be prepared.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 04:02 PM
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29. There are some big names who will be coming out on this in the near future
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 04:05 PM
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30. Larry David....Can't stand the guy!
:P
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 04:31 PM
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34. you got me!
I saw the title of your post and scrolled down to :spank: you...

...never mind.:)
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 04:36 PM
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36. Spank away!
Considering my wife thinks I'm too much like his HBO counterpart, I probably deserve it for something. ;)

BING-OOOOO!!!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 04:06 PM
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 04:21 PM
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32. In the words of Dick Cheney...
Go fuck yourself You goddamn ninny!
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Sapere aude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 04:24 PM
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33. Who are the people in the repub camp that are stealing the elections?
Edited on Wed May-10-06 04:25 PM by Sapere aude
What troubles me is that we don't have names and dates. Why hasn't someone turned traitor and spilled the beans on what they did to steal the election?

There must be hundreds or thousands of people that know what went on. Why don't we have even a single name? Is their security that good? Elections like the past ones were stole like elections were stole in years past. By denying the right to vote to the opposition. Ohio and FL were states with repub sec of states. Now CA has a repub sec of state. Is he working to steal the election too?

We need names and dates and deeds done. Without that we look like sore losers and kooks.
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PinkyisBlue Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 04:58 PM
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37. No, you don't need hundreds or thousands of people in on the fix.
You only need a few knowledgeable people to change vote counts. I read an article about this a while ago. I'm not a computer savvy person, so I don't know the details, but apparently it's not difficult to do. With easily hackable computer programs and source codes, the right person could adjust things so that, for instance, one out of every three votes for Kerry went for Bush, or each vote for Bush would register as five votes, or ten votes. Maybe that's why, in some voting districts, there were more votes for Bush than registered voters.
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vickitulsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:35 AM
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50. This might account for the e-vote manipulations, but not all the rest.
Remember, the plot really hinges not so much on the "proprietary software" issue which makes all e-machine votes amenable to quick and massive "revisions," but on all the other dirty tricks that have been used for hundreds of years. The most basic form of these reliable old tactics is simply scaring certain voters away from the polls in the first place.

So you figure in the conjunctive efforts -- purging voter registration rolls with lists of fake "felons," moving polling places without notice, even sending out small gangs of thugs to threaten voters standing in line outside polling places, among other things. This requires a lot more warm bodies to orchestrate and then perform the devil's tasks for him, and that means there must be quite a number of people out there who know about and participated in the shenanigans and outright illegal operations that delivered the white House (and who knows what other offices) to the Republicans.

What I keep wondering is, with the tide of public opinion clearly changing and swinging away from this White House and the GOP in general, why aren't we hearing the nasty truth of these election thefts from the mouths of at least a few of those who participated in the dirty deeds? We know that "average Americans" who voted for Bu$h are now lying about it and saying they did NOT vote for him (primarily to save a little face, I'd guess). So why aren't we also getting the inside story on the dirty tricks and horror stories of election fraud operations straight from the mouths of a few who were involved in them?

IMO such "revealers of the truth" would be veritable heroes in today's climate of anti-Bush, anti-GOP feeling running high among most Americans. Yes, such people would be admitting to a certain level of wrongdoing, but I don't understand why some of them aren't "singing" anyway -- if only to get the attention such confessions would garner them.

Could it be something as simple as the fact that the MSM continues blithely on, maintaining the appearance of respectability for both themselves as well as the party they have aided and abetted so much during the last five or six years, so that potential "turncoats" who could spill the beans about election fraud can't figure out where to go to tell their stories?

Sure has me wondering....




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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 07:01 PM
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41. They are dead
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SupplyConcerns Donating Member (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 11:09 PM
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45. Apparently people in the white house
Were connected to the New Hampshire fraud. Or connected to the people who committed it.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 05:07 PM
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38. kerry won. another reason they ran a bad campaign doesnt work,
no they won., ... winning doesnt not mean a bad campaign

kerry won
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 06:49 PM
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40. He sure as hell DID win!
As did Gore in 2000, lets kick these frauds outta there.
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 07:14 PM
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42. I'm telling you guys, don't worry.
Edited on Wed May-10-06 07:15 PM by Tiggeroshii
The Dems will fix it once they get the house. They won't WIN the house per say, rather it will be handed to them for a few weeks when the hookergate congressmen resign and a quorum is initiated giving the Dems the House. This won't happen till after November, but no matter what happens in 06, the Democrats will have the House. Once they do, Conyers, Feingold and the rest will pass a number of laws getting rid of the electronic voting and securing our elections. That's all it'll take. And in the special elections replacing the corrupt Repugs, the Dems will for once, win the House. Very wishful thinking, I understand. But still likely.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 12:07 AM
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46. Is this supposed to be sarcastic??
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 12:27 AM
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47. Not really.
I'm seeing the latter conclusion pretty inevitable. I am expecting a flood of Repugs to resign due to scandal within the next year.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 07:17 PM
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43. A big bowl of RIGHT!
:kick:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 09:33 PM
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44. K&R(nt)
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 05:04 AM
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49. As if any of this matters
Kerry couldn't concede fast enough. No fighting for what might have been rightfullyhis (ours), no "counting all the votes", not even a facade of giving a shit.

Some hero!
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