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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:16 AM Original message |
Why do so many people defend men accused of rape? |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:24 AM Response to Original message |
1. Nature of the beast. |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:27 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Actually, I'd like to hear your thoughts. Thanks |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:44 AM Response to Reply #3 |
17. Well, hell! i just replied to my own damn post! LOL! |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:43 AM Response to Reply #1 |
15. OK...just remembered...you asked! :) |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:53 AM Response to Reply #15 |
24. Actually, it's interesting to read what you have to say |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:14 AM Response to Reply #24 |
38. Some more thoughts... |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:45 AM Response to Reply #38 |
64. Your experience as a counselor must be invaluable |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 06:08 AM Response to Reply #64 |
71. You are an advocate. |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 06:20 AM Response to Reply #71 |
78. Doesn't a real advocate get politically active? |
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bobbieinok (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 01:36 PM Response to Reply #71 |
194. within last 15 years OK state senator said men couldn't rape their wives |
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wakeme2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:27 AM Response to Original message |
2. Well the DA just got what he wanted |
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Moosepoop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:30 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Apparently, he got what the majority of Durham County voters wanted, too. |
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wakeme2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:47 AM Response to Reply #5 |
18. Now his next goal is to push the trial out until after the Nov elections |
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Moosepoop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:44 AM Response to Reply #18 |
63. Really??? Did he tell you that himself? |
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BrownOak (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 08:42 AM Response to Reply #18 |
109. No, he's elected now |
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Karmakaze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:51 AM Response to Reply #5 |
23. 45 percent is a majority? |
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Moosepoop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:18 AM Response to Reply #23 |
42. I stand corrected. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 07:11 AM Response to Reply #23 |
99. I hope some well-meaning group of women take this woman under |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 08:39 AM Response to Reply #99 |
107. She was raped, as per the SANE's rape kit |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 09:51 AM Response to Reply #107 |
136. SANE: accuser had injuries consistent with rape |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 09:58 AM Response to Reply #136 |
138. You are correct, Sir! (or madam, if that's the case) |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:25 AM Response to Reply #138 |
148. until there is a trial, nothing can be fully judged |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 11:39 AM Response to Reply #136 |
171. In case you didn't know |
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BrownOak (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 12:41 PM Response to Reply #107 |
188. So the SANE can't say it, but you can? |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 03:12 PM Response to Reply #188 |
214. It can be stated with personal certainty |
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BrownOak (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:10 PM Response to Reply #214 |
239. A need for higher standards |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 06:41 PM Response to Reply #239 |
250. Ok, so what you're saying is... |
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BrownOak (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:53 PM Response to Reply #250 |
293. OK, you asked for it... |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 05:13 AM Response to Reply #293 |
296. I'm beginning to think you may in fact |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:14 PM Response to Reply #99 |
228. Not to worry... |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 09:27 PM Response to Reply #228 |
269. With rape apology in full bloom... |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:34 PM Response to Reply #269 |
290. I do not apologize for rapists. |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:30 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. yeah, he won his race, so that's out of the way |
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KitchenWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:13 AM Response to Reply #2 |
36. Can I ask you what you mean by the DA got what he wanted? |
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wakeme2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 06:56 AM Response to Reply #36 |
91. He was running against a female and a black male |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 07:08 AM Response to Reply #91 |
97. and the woman was beating him, and is a much better lawyer |
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dave123williams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:34 AM Response to Reply #36 |
152. DA's tend to run for higher office....he's doing by demagoguing an |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 08:52 PM Response to Reply #152 |
264. Why is Nifong persecuting Kobe? Why? |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 06:43 AM Response to Reply #152 |
299. OMG! Was Kobe at the lacrosse party, too? This is HUGH!!111 |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:29 AM Response to Original message |
4. cases which draw public attention are not like most cases |
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billyskank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:30 AM Response to Original message |
7. Surely the question should be, why do so many people attack the accuser? |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:36 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. No, the question is about the reflex to protect an alleged criminal |
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billyskank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:48 AM Response to Reply #10 |
20. Okay, your point is well made |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:09 AM Response to Reply #20 |
32. But often the evidence is out there, and people still have that protective |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:36 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. because they feel threatened |
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billyskank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:42 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. You think a large section of the populace are potential rapists, then? |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:23 AM Response to Reply #14 |
46. yes |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 08:42 AM Response to Reply #14 |
110. I would think so |
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Spike from MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 09:04 AM Response to Reply #110 |
126. Wow, that's a pretty scary statistic. |
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BrownOak (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 11:59 AM Response to Reply #126 |
178. Geeky question on the numbers |
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Spike from MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 02:13 PM Response to Reply #178 |
205. Good questions BrownOak. |
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BrownOak (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:35 PM Response to Reply #205 |
235. I'm guessing that they used these figures |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 06:45 AM Response to Reply #126 |
300. And the ones that do, serve less time that some kid found with pot |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:43 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. But rape could also happen to anyone |
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billyskank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:48 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Simple. Chauvinism. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:50 AM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Good point! |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:55 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. If a father sodomizes his child, I call that child rape, not incest |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:18 AM Response to Reply #26 |
41. In the "case" you present...it is both! |
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bobbieinok (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 01:41 PM Response to Reply #41 |
196. at what age does incest become consensual???? |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 02:29 PM Response to Reply #196 |
208. Depends on the parties involved. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 08:40 AM Response to Reply #26 |
108. I kjnow... like saying child molestation when it is RAPE |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:26 AM Response to Reply #16 |
50. because our system is designed to avoid sending the innocent to jail |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:15 AM Response to Reply #50 |
144. I concur ... |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:20 AM Response to Reply #144 |
146. and I concur in your concurrence |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:31 AM Response to Reply #146 |
149. Yes, it has that smooth sounding appeal ... |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 08:48 AM Response to Reply #11 |
115. You've got it. nt |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:31 AM Response to Original message |
8. Me too, Nikki, me too |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:40 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. It also comes down to protecting men, especially ones of means |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:47 AM Response to Reply #12 |
19. What you said is so true, Nikki |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:03 AM Response to Reply #19 |
29. That argument has never flown for me... |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:19 AM Response to Reply #29 |
43. No kidding. Not to mention, a great way to let guys off the hook. |
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Caoimhe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 12:21 PM Response to Reply #19 |
185. Yes I feel the same |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:33 AM Response to Original message |
9. Seeing how we were all raped in 2000 by the Supreme Court, |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 07:29 AM Response to Reply #9 |
102. Right |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:41 AM Response to Original message |
13. According to the way our legal system works |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:02 AM Response to Reply #13 |
28. I'm not talking about the legal rubric of "innocent until proven guilty" |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:14 AM Response to Reply #28 |
39. The defense's JOB is to do anything within his or her means |
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Caution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 06:42 AM Response to Reply #28 |
86. In other words you are talking about the media? And the Defense lawyers? |
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MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:54 AM Response to Original message |
25. I never have... |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:58 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Victims should be protected, absolutely |
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MessiahRp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:05 AM Response to Original message |
30. Also and this is not always the case |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:09 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. And I was date raped by the biological father of my eldest daughter. |
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MessiahRp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:12 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. I never said women ask for it... |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:16 AM Response to Reply #34 |
40. You miss my point completely. Everyone has a story that supports |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 08:49 AM Response to Reply #40 |
117. Per his post, yes |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 12:12 PM Response to Reply #40 |
183. Every rape case should be suspect in the same way that every criminal |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 08:48 AM Response to Reply #30 |
114. There are not alot of cases |
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MessiahRp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 08:54 AM Response to Reply #114 |
120. Innocent until Proven Guilty is not just a legal stance |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 06:48 AM Response to Reply #120 |
301. Sorry, don't agree with your stance on the accuser re: rape cases |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:04 AM Response to Reply #114 |
139. let's see a link to that famous 2% figure |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:12 AM Response to Reply #30 |
143. Just a quick note Messiah |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:07 AM Response to Original message |
31. Why do so many people disrespect the rights of the accused? |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:13 AM Response to Reply #31 |
35. The accused has all kinds of rights, including the right to an attorney |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:21 AM Response to Reply #35 |
44. It's not a knee jerk reaction. |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:34 AM Response to Reply #44 |
57. Yet, this "bedrock of our system" is often ignored in discussions of |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:40 AM Response to Reply #57 |
61. I don't see the comparison |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 06:01 AM Response to Reply #61 |
69. Innocent men and women get sent away for many different crimes |
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Moosepoop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 06:19 AM Response to Reply #69 |
75. I think some of the answer may be in post #44. |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 06:25 AM Response to Reply #69 |
79. I am passionate about the law. |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 06:41 AM Response to Reply #79 |
85. I'll explain it one more time |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 06:44 AM Response to Reply #85 |
87. I'll explain it one more time, too. |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 06:55 AM Response to Reply #87 |
90. And I'll explain again |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 07:00 AM Response to Reply #90 |
95. Please try reading my post, instead of trying to explain yours again. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:24 AM Response to Reply #95 |
147. Yeah, it's sad because there's covert sexism in the workplace |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:44 AM Response to Reply #90 |
155. the motivation is seeing the woman as an alkie scam artist less than |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:35 PM Response to Reply #155 |
243. You're Absolutely Right! |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:43 PM Response to Reply #243 |
244. of course she forced them to hire her--- i bet her stripper friends ganged |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 07:47 PM Response to Reply #244 |
258. Damn right they did! |
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katinmn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:05 PM Response to Reply #79 |
280. I didn't know you were a lawyer |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:22 PM Response to Reply #280 |
287. shhh! you'll just get them started! |
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bobbieinok (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 01:55 PM Response to Reply #61 |
199. 100s of innocent men sent away wrongly.......any source(s) for that number |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 09:06 AM Response to Reply #57 |
127. That poor Libby |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:15 PM Response to Reply #127 |
229. In all fairness, those are much more complex issues |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 08:03 PM Response to Reply #229 |
262. Oh hell yeah! |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 09:32 PM Response to Reply #229 |
271. Speak for your damn self |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:44 PM Response to Reply #127 |
236. Bingo n/t |
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billyskank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:13 AM Response to Reply #31 |
37. It's a deeply polarising issue |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:23 AM Response to Reply #37 |
45. I agree. |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:26 AM Response to Reply #45 |
48. And there are far too many men who will play down the issue of rape |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:29 AM Response to Reply #48 |
53. But that's not an issue here. We all recognize rape is a serious problem. |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 06:20 AM Response to Reply #53 |
77. Obviously, we all don't. No one that I have seen is even coming close |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 06:26 AM Response to Reply #77 |
80. That's what laws designed to keep the accuser private do. |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 08:52 PM Response to Reply #80 |
265. How 'bout those laws |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:31 PM Response to Reply #265 |
289. The accused players' pictures and names... |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 06:16 AM Response to Reply #289 |
298. You're kidding |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 08:55 AM Response to Reply #77 |
121. Spot on, Mrs. G! |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:26 AM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Actually, there are far too many people who blame the victim in rape cases |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:31 AM Response to Reply #49 |
54. I hear a lot of people claim that, but I don't hear a lot of it |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:53 AM Response to Reply #54 |
66. Questioning the veracity of the victim is an interesting problem in itself |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:57 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. well, no system is perfect, and no victim wants to be questioned |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 06:07 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. It is not the questioning of the victim by the police, especially now |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 06:11 AM Response to Reply #70 |
72. well, that wouldn't be me |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 06:31 AM Response to Reply #72 |
83. Interesting. So you would come to a strenuous defense of a gang member? |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 06:36 AM Response to Reply #83 |
84. our criminal justice system is a mess, and it tramples rights of poor |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 06:47 AM Response to Reply #84 |
89. I don't disagree with any of what you say in this last post, Now apply |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 07:06 AM Response to Reply #89 |
96. Do I think some of them might be capable of rape in this instance? |
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Catrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 09:21 PM Response to Reply #70 |
267. Could you link to some posts that 'strenuously defend the accused'? |
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Caoimhe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 12:37 PM Response to Reply #66 |
187. Oh come on nikki (sarcasm) |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 03:56 PM Response to Reply #187 |
222. Either that or DISABLED |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:52 AM Response to Reply #54 |
159. what about claiming you know she was drinking all day |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 08:59 AM Response to Reply #49 |
123. Exactly -- we're defending her smearing in the press and on |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 09:17 PM Response to Reply #123 |
266. Amen and Amen! |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 09:41 PM Response to Reply #266 |
275. I'm so sorry you had |
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laheina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:28 AM Response to Reply #45 |
51. There are far too many extreme viewpoints on both sides |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:28 AM Response to Reply #45 |
52. However... |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:35 AM Response to Reply #52 |
58. we hold these truths ... |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:44 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. I am not sure I get your point. |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:51 AM Response to Reply #62 |
65. There are some false allegations. How many is up to discussion. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 06:14 AM Response to Reply #65 |
73. Numbers.... |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 06:19 AM Response to Reply #73 |
76. I don't think other crimes are as likely to be made falsely because |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 09:35 PM Response to Reply #76 |
273. Huh? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 09:44 PM Response to Reply #273 |
276. Deleted message |
ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:36 AM Response to Reply #58 |
153. "Most reported rapes really happened." |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:46 AM Response to Reply #153 |
156. over 50%, of those charged with rape are guilty |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 11:08 AM Response to Reply #156 |
163. Hey then let's rest this ole' case counselor? |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 11:27 AM Response to Reply #163 |
166. true dat. It just means there's no perfect justice, but we have to try. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 11:31 AM Response to Reply #166 |
168. Now, your final statement - I can "buy into" :-) eom |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:24 AM Response to Reply #37 |
47. The polarization is not based on the actual facts, though, but on beliefs |
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billyskank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:33 AM Response to Reply #47 |
55. I think perhaps there should be a media gag on all rape cases |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:36 AM Response to Reply #55 |
59. I can see why you'd say that. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:12 PM Response to Reply #47 |
284. I don't see what you're seeing |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:28 PM Response to Reply #284 |
288. uh oh, you've done it now! |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:52 PM Response to Reply #288 |
292. Thanks, got one already |
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mikehiggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:34 AM Response to Original message |
56. Ironically, I more or less assumed the rape took place |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 06:15 AM Response to Reply #56 |
74. Yes, I think you and I are on the same page here |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 08:00 AM Response to Reply #74 |
104. With regard to the question you are asking: |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:07 AM Response to Reply #56 |
140. Hell, I'm certain that rape took place |
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Karmakaze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:36 AM Response to Original message |
60. What about men accused of rape? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 06:10 PM Response to Reply #60 |
248. What about men falsely accused of other crimes? |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 09:57 PM Response to Reply #60 |
279. About those figures |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:56 AM Response to Original message |
67. I empathize with your concerns... there are tragic sub elements to any |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:08 PM Response to Reply #67 |
281. It's not he said/she said |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 06:27 AM Response to Original message |
81. Speaking as someone who doesn't defend men accused |
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Nobody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 06:29 AM Response to Original message |
82. This is why so many victims don't come forward |
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hexola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 06:46 AM Response to Original message |
88. Why are so many people on DU looking for a fight? (nt) |
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NavyDavy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 06:56 AM Response to Reply #88 |
92. because some come just to start fights(trolls, plants, etc........) |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 07:00 AM Response to Reply #92 |
94. And nice threads get ignored. |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:11 PM Response to Reply #94 |
282. Wooo, welcome to my world |
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chookie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 07:28 AM Response to Reply #88 |
101. Why the issue is "polarizing" |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 09:01 AM Response to Reply #101 |
125. thank you |
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michael_1166 (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 06:57 AM Response to Original message |
93. Is it so impossible to believe that SOME women DO lie |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 09:12 AM Response to Reply #93 |
129. some women don't think victims lie |
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michael_1166 (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:12 AM Response to Reply #129 |
142. Yes that's what I'm saying. |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 07:09 AM Response to Original message |
98. This is a tough one.. |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 07:15 AM Response to Original message |
100. STUPID FUCKING QUESTION. Unless a jury finds one guilty, one is innocent. |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 08:31 AM Response to Reply #100 |
105. OK OK |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 08:44 AM Response to Reply #105 |
112. Why do they see it differently? Probably emotions - |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 08:52 AM Response to Reply #112 |
119. What I think is interesting |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 09:23 AM Response to Reply #112 |
131. your 'go apeshit' issues |
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smirkymonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 07:42 PM Response to Reply #112 |
257. However, I notice it was mostly men who reacted emotionally |
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meisje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 07:32 AM Response to Original message |
103. Because not all of us make decisions based on EMOTIONS, I require FACTS |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
106. Well, to begin with... |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 08:51 AM Response to Reply #106 |
118. ridiculous hyperbole |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 02:40 PM Response to Reply #118 |
211. It is hardly hyperbole. |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 03:46 PM Response to Reply #211 |
218. so what |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 03:54 PM Response to Reply #218 |
221. I was speaking to the original post... |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:12 PM Response to Reply #221 |
227. OK well |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:20 PM Response to Reply #227 |
232. My opinion is that men accused of rape... |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 09:54 PM Response to Reply #232 |
277. dupe |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
111. Haven't seen it. I have seen a defense of the accused in the same |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 08:47 AM Response to Reply #111 |
113. How do you feel |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 08:49 AM Response to Reply #113 |
116. Same way. Anything is possible, and I don't have much of an |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 08:58 AM Response to Original message |
122. Because We Like Our Alpha Males |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 09:52 AM Response to Reply #122 |
137. yes, until we change our "stories" |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 08:59 AM Response to Original message |
124. Deleted message |
leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
128. didn't there used to be a principle-- |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
130. I'm happy people defend men accused of rape |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 09:27 AM Response to Reply #130 |
132. Ahhh... sweet sanity. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 01:59 PM Response to Reply #130 |
201. The OP is not talking about the accused being innocent |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
133. Perspective |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:40 AM Response to Reply #133 |
154. good points |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:30 PM Response to Reply #154 |
242. Hmm, let give those a shot. |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
134. Why do so many people defend women accused of child abuse? |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:12 PM Response to Reply #134 |
283. Well said. No need to try people before the trial. - n/t |
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FlaGranny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
135. The only way to answer your |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:09 AM Response to Reply #135 |
141. it might be productive here |
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FlaGranny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 11:19 AM Response to Reply #141 |
164. In my humble opinion, |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:16 AM Response to Reply #135 |
145. Amen. If they did it, 30 years sounds about right. |
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bobbieinok (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 02:15 PM Response to Reply #135 |
206. and the Kennedy cousin accused of rape (what was his name?) |
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dave123williams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
150. To answer your question... |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
151. my knee jerk response |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:49 AM Response to Reply #151 |
158. No matter how it turns out |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
157. Nikki I support you 100%. This has to be said. Here's the answer. |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 11:23 AM Response to Reply #157 |
165. Just think of all of the people who do not |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 12:13 PM Response to Reply #165 |
184. You're right on unreported cases, I am sure and also barriers to |
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Caoimhe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 12:50 PM Response to Reply #165 |
189. All of us wimmin |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 01:56 PM Response to Reply #157 |
200. You are exactly right -- there are perps that need to justify what they di |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:58 PM Response to Reply #200 |
294. Sociopaths make it all about their needs... |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
160. We should all be ashamed... |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 11:06 AM Response to Reply #160 |
162. you can go ahead and be ashamed |
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Ksec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
161. Because they are charged, not convicted |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 11:41 AM Response to Reply #161 |
174. OK well |
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Ksec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 03:33 PM Response to Reply #174 |
217. Id say its because men are hated |
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ContraBass Black (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
167. Because we ourselves have not seen irrefutable evidence |
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Autonomy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
169. People don't defend rapists who have no value to society |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 11:52 AM Response to Reply #169 |
177. GOOD point |
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Autonomy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 01:17 PM Response to Reply #177 |
193. I agree it applies to other crimes |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 02:05 PM Response to Reply #193 |
202. So in the case of rape |
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Autonomy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:30 PM Response to Reply #202 |
241. My lack of data to back up my claims |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 06:07 PM Response to Reply #241 |
246. right LOL |
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Autonomy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 06:10 PM Response to Reply #246 |
247. I'm considering taking a "hobby" research project... |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 06:26 PM Response to Reply #247 |
249. judging by the interest |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 07:19 PM Response to Reply #193 |
253. male and female/black and white issues |
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Autonomy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 08:30 PM Response to Reply #253 |
263. Wondering what your point is... nt |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:42 PM Response to Reply #177 |
291. Institutionalized racism, classism and sexism. |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
170. Your post headline is a bit hyperbolic and off target |
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LSdemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
172. For some: people are innocent until proven guilty |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 01:52 PM Response to Reply #172 |
198. That's not what the OP is saying |
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LSdemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 07:35 PM Response to Reply #198 |
254. Both questions were asked. I answered one. I can't answer the other. |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
173. Why do people call OJ, Kobe and Michael Jackson "guilty?" |
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ContraBass Black (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 12:03 PM Response to Reply #173 |
180. Because, of course, those damned famous people did it |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 07:50 PM Response to Reply #180 |
259. I hope you're not serious. |
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ContraBass Black (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 02:32 AM Response to Reply #259 |
295. No. |
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undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
175. People |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 03:29 PM Response to Reply #175 |
216. I think there is a lot to that. |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
176. I saw this blurb in a paper today - sympathy for the rapist... |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
179. A few thoughts. Warning: this is a damned long reply |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 12:10 PM Response to Reply #179 |
182. Thank you so much for this post. |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 12:34 PM Response to Reply #182 |
186. You're very welcome--it's an emotionally charged topic, that's for sure. |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 12:50 PM Response to Reply #179 |
190. thanks |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 02:06 PM Response to Reply #190 |
203. Good questions--I'll take a swing at them |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 03:23 PM Response to Reply #179 |
215. Warning: that was a damn insightful reply |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 03:52 PM Response to Reply #215 |
220. Aw, shucks. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
181. "Innocent until proven guilty" is the bedrock of our judicial system. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 12:51 PM Response to Reply #181 |
191. but the OP's point is that rape is viewed differently on that axiom. |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 01:02 PM Response to Reply #191 |
192. Agreed. |
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novalib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 01:39 PM Response to Reply #191 |
195. WELL SAID! |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 01:49 PM Response to Reply #191 |
197. Great post! |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 02:31 PM Response to Reply #191 |
209. Regarding #7 |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 02:44 PM Response to Reply #209 |
212. good point. |
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Jigarotta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 02:35 PM Response to Reply #191 |
210. ahhh, finely spoken and thank you. nt |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 02:55 PM Response to Reply #191 |
213. Thank you so much. |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:04 PM Response to Reply #191 |
238. Agreed, Well Said |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
204. Defendants are innocent until proven guilty. |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 02:26 PM Response to Reply #204 |
207. If accused rapists are given more consideration/benefit of the doubt |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:19 PM Response to Reply #207 |
231. That is in the nature of the charge in date rape cases |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 03:58 PM Response to Reply #204 |
223. No one here has said that n/t |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
219. See...I can understand |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 03:59 PM Response to Reply #219 |
224. Thank you sincerely -- I mean that |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:08 PM Response to Reply #224 |
226. It doesn't take any special abilities to see the truth |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:24 PM Response to Reply #226 |
233. You're right, it doesn't take any special abilities |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:25 PM Response to Reply #233 |
240. And thank your dad |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 06:46 PM Response to Reply #240 |
252. My Dad has no sisters, is REALLY conservative |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
225. Accused being the operative word, why is a rape charge not like |
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4_TN_TITANS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
230. I'm in no way attempting to discredit the women.... |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:28 PM Response to Reply #230 |
234. What the heck are you talking about? |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
237. Some probably get their news from FOX |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
245. They are afraid of being accused. |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 06:44 PM Response to Original message |
251. I don't want to see either side attacked before their day in court |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 07:37 PM Response to Reply #251 |
255. Both sides have not been treated equally in this case. |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 07:40 PM Response to Reply #255 |
256. But that's no reason to smear the woman in question. |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 07:51 PM Response to Reply #256 |
260. I see your point. |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 08:02 PM Response to Reply #260 |
261. Indeed, but some have gone a step further |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 09:38 PM Response to Reply #255 |
274. Poor darlings. |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:13 PM Response to Reply #274 |
285. If they prove to be innocent... |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 09:24 PM Response to Original message |
268. Some people might be "defending" them, while others |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
270. Deleted message |
FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 09:33 PM Response to Reply #270 |
272. So, call the Swami |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
278. Deleted message |
Yollam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
286. I seldom comment on rape threads... |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 05:59 AM Response to Original message |
297. Defendants have a right to a fair trial. It's in the constitution, no? |
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302. Locking.... |
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