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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:17 PM
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In what stage of grief are you for our country, our constitution and our
personal liberties? The first: denial; the second: anger/resentment; the third: bargaining; the fourth: depression, or the last: acceptance?

As for me, I never had denial, won't bargain and will never reach acceptance, so anger/resentment and depression are where I have been for 6 years.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:18 PM
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1. Anger...
definitely Anger.
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Golden Raisin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:47 PM
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28. Anger
Anger and a sickening feeling in the pit of my stomach that there will be another spectacular domestic attack (staged or not) or another war (Iran perhaps?) which will rally the sheeple to Bush and give him an excuse to impose martial law, suspension of the Constitution and who knows what else. I guess Anger, Fear and Sorrow at what has happened to my country.
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:18 PM
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2. The only stage I know is anger.
I don't think I'll be seeing those other ones.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:19 PM
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5. How do you avoid depression?
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 11:27 PM
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45. I slam my hand in the door jam.
and I get pissed off again.:P
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:19 PM
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3. Anger/resentment. Definitely.
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haydukelives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:19 PM
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4. depression
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:21 PM
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6. I skipped denial and went straight to anger.
:grr::grr::grr::grr::grr:
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:21 PM
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7. Definitely depression....
I can't get over the sinking feeling I have every time something positive happens to the Shrub - it usually means the rest of us are getting screwed. I get the most depressed when I look at my children and lament over the country they will inherit as they get older (only 4 and 10 months) - anger is an underlying emotion that I try to keep in check....
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:28 PM
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13. I know what you mean. I have two young gsons. The world that *bush
and cheney are producing is nasty and petty and evil. I fight daily to overcome my feelings of hatred toward them and what they have done to our country.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:21 PM
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8. If they won't give up on Terri Schiavo..I'm not giving up on Constitution
Hell they fought to keep her "alive" for 15 years.. I think the Constitution deserves at least as long. Much like her our current administration seems both brain dead and blind. Unlike her, I predict a miraculous recovery by November of 2006 at the latest.

Doug D.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:31 PM
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14. But as much as we love and want to keep the constitution alive it
seems, like death, to be out of our hands.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:37 PM
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22. Call me "selfish" but I love her, I really do and I can't let her go..
just yet..


:)

Doug D.
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:23 PM
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9. I'm still asking for second opinions...
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:32 PM
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17. You think that there has been no death? That might be stage one:
denial.
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:23 PM
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10. I'm ready for a padded cell
I past depression after 2004. but I keep swinging back to anger and resentment over half this country's stupid citizens. I'm no fun to be around so I have become very recluse
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:43 PM
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27. Well fun is not everything. Recluse all you want but thanks for your
reply. Why is it that the people who feel and care the most always hurt the most when things are not right in this world? (I think I answered my own question.)
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 11:18 PM
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43. I can't think of anything more beautiful
I still cry every time I see it. Bushit made fun of France? Moron!

http://data2.itc.nps.gov/parkphotos/liberty%20island%20new%20low%20resb%2Ejpg
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:25 PM
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11. I'm beyond all those stages
and firmly settled into white hot rage.

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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:32 PM
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15. Exactly.
I think of the 5 stages as being anger, more anger, greater angrier, getting really pissed off and white hot rage.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:35 PM
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20. Your 5 stages seems closer to reality. Although I would switch 4 to
the first stage.
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:25 PM
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12. ANGER! No grieving process - just ANGER! n/t
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:32 PM
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16. Acceptance isn't capitulation
It's moving through all those other stages to a place of clarity so that you can begin to take rational action again. I'll just leave my thoughts at that.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:33 PM
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18. I'm Not Grieving As My Country Is Not Yet Lost.
Instead, I am fighting my best to save her. The stage I am in is the pre-grieving doing my part to be a savior to the country and keep my focus lest she die phase.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:37 PM
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23. Bless you. Hope you are right.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:38 PM
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24. Either I Am Right, Or I Am In The First Stage, Denial LOL
Here's to hoping I'm right :)

:toast:
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:33 PM
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19. F............................K !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t.
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il_lilac Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:36 PM
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21. depression
denial lasted about 2 months- September 11, 2001 thru November. Bargaining ended at our second stolen election November 2004. Anger (rage) has never left me. I'll grieve when I give up and leave my beloved country behind, but in the meantime I keep fighting.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:39 PM
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25. Thank goddess, not one person here has come to acceptance. If that
happens, we really are doomed.
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Dave Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:40 PM
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26. Anger.
But a good, well-armed anger.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:47 PM
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29. None of the above...because they are all defeatism.
We have an election to win in a little over 10 months. STOP with the defeatism!!!!!!!!
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 11:04 PM
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35.  Realism is not defeatism. If you live and work for
the Dems in Texas as I do, then you know that everything we know, love, and believe in as progressives has been mortally wounded. I used the 5 stages of grief to highlight what has happened here first and what now is happening in the entire US daily under the *bush regime. Our government is stabbed, bleeding and mortally wounded and to not see that puts you squarely in the denial category. (I fight daily to change things in this small, backwards texas town. Everywhere I look I see blatant, glorified, idiocy. These people are soooo very proud to emulate and be as stupid and as uncaring as their leader, that hideous excuse for a human, gwbush.)
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HuskerDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:48 PM
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30. What is the stage where you buy a gun?
This shit is getting scary.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 11:08 PM
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38. You must not live in Texas. We all have lots of them. My only
problem is that I hate them and the noise and mayhem they produce. I hate killing anything but cockroaches and fireants and I would leave them alone if they would vacate my space.
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:52 PM
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31. Anger, shock, bummed out, ready to brawl
I'd like to tangle with a republican.
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 11:23 PM
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44. Revolution was not part of the equation
but I'm getting close.
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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:53 PM
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32. You pretty much nailed it. Anger and depression.
Although I had my moments of bargaining: "If You just fix it and make this monster go away, I won't make a fuss about the illegitimate voting and the fixed Supreme Court."

Acceptance is not an option.

I jump back to denial when I think a fitzmas miracle is about to occur, but depression usually sets in at the end of yet another fitzless week.

But soon the wretched eternal optimist in me returns, and the cycle begins all over.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 11:02 PM
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33. Anger is the only stage I will permit myself.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 11:02 PM
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34. Damned fed up!
If I could leave this Country, I would, in a heart beat! Way past denial anger/resentment, bargaining and depression! I am done! European Countries are far more progressive then this Country is and will ever be! I want outta here!
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benddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 11:05 PM
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36. I get angrier by the hour
don't think I'll ever get to bargaining. Unless I have to start bargaining with reptiles whether we put them in jail for life or burn them at the stake!
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 11:14 PM
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41. Bargaining seems so genteel and humane. One would need humans
to achieve that and there are none to be found in that group of evil-doers that are now running/ruining our country.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 11:05 PM
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37. Pissed off
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 11:10 PM
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39. That seems like a lukewarm, california-type anger. Is it the same as
being really, really mad?
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 12:08 AM
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54. it's a level of anger that's able to last the whole marathon
:-)
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 11:13 PM
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40. I'm angry yet I think we're going to be allright....n/t
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 11:17 PM
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42. Wish I shared your optimism. I see people that are so driven by fear
that they are willing to give up anything/everything to stay safe. Well that bargain guarantees nothing.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 11:39 PM
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49. I hear you. Anger's not fear, though. I'm optimistic and angry.
:thumbsup:
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 11:27 PM
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46. Anger/resentment
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 11:31 PM
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47. I don't deal well with whining or acceptance....
...I've been angry since December 13, 2000, and I'm getting angrier with each passing day.
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 11:32 PM
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48. Anger/resentment (eom)
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nevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 11:54 PM
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50. It has gone on for so long
I have become emotionally unresponsive.
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 12:02 AM
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51. Anger, anger, and more anger.
Denial is long gone and was a fleeting moment. Actually, I'd rather stay in the anger stage, because I'll be damned if I'm going to bargain or accept this bulshit.
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stillrockin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 12:04 AM
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52. Anger,
resentment with occasional bouts of depression . . .
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 12:06 AM
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53. Alternately depressed and angry, too occupied with other stuff to
do much about it right now, which adds to the frustration :-(
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badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 12:16 AM
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55. not a happy camper here, either.
Anger. Oh, most definitely anger.
Vacillates to depression when I see people buying into the Koolaid propaganda...but I'm still angry...especially since I am spending my life now in a state of perpetual pissed-offness.
I used to be fun to be around...:argh:
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hopeisaplace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 12:17 AM
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56. I feel like patrolling my Canadian border
with phsycologists..offering free services to Bush Voters
:patriot:
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 10:00 AM
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57. depression
especially after visiting the area I grew up in, upper East TN, S.W. VA -- a little of that $300 Bn would have gone a long way there.
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